Sabbath

[Dan_473]

God's Holy Sabbaths are truly a delight to me, has opened my eyes to many things. But it will only help if one follows it "Lawfully". The Pharisees followed a version of the Sabbaths of God that was not lawful, therefore it didn't help them. But this truth will not be understood if one is convinced the Pharisees were keeping God's Commandments, and not a version of their own.

Consider these Word's from the Christ as the Word of God.

Is. 58:
1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.
2 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.

3 Wherefore have we fasted, say they, and thou seest not? wherefore (WHY) have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours.

4 Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.

5 Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?

6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? (Deception)

7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward.

9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;


God's Sabbath is a weekly fast from this wicked world. One day a week where we immerse ourselves in Him and His Word and fast from this world. A 24 hour period where we listen to Him and not our self, where we dwell on Him and not our job or our pleasure. A Time where we Honor God apart from "Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:" A time where we submit our self to Him and His Word without distraction. His Sabbath is truly "made for man", not man for the Sabbath.

This is why I post here, why I spend so much time posting His Word's, His warnings, His examples. Not because I hate you, but because I love you, as the Christ loved me.

Matt. 13:
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

A man can say or imply that God's Sabbaths are not His Commandment all they want. But He placed it right in the 10 so we would know and believe how important it is, along with not committing adultery, and murder.

All a man has to do is trust and have Faith in the Lord of the Sabbath enough to follow HIM.

"A 24 hour period where we listen to Him and not our self, where we dwell on Him and not our job or our pleasure."

and because I love you, I want to respond to that part of your post even though I know it was addressed to posthuman.

That's great! Could you listen to God 2 days a week? could you dwell on God 2 days a week?

when you are at your job, are you unable to listen to God?

I want to be immersed in God 7 days a week because in him we live and move and have our being!

 

[Studyman]

great, I see that it's what you should be doing every day and every hour.

but what does it represent?

we know the law is only a shadow of the good things to come. we know specifically that the Sabbaths and the feasts and festivals and the differentiation of clean and unclean food is only a shadow.

what is this a shadow of?

Where does it say "Holy" is a shadow of things to come, therefore we must reject it? Where does it say "Good" is a "shadow of things to come", therefore we must reject it.

where does the Bible say "Mercy", also part of God's Law, is a shadow, therefore we must reject it.

Where does it say "Judgment" is a shadow of things to come, therefore we must reject it?

Where does it say "Passover" is a shadow of things to come, therefore we must reject it?

Where does it say His Holy Sabbath, created in creation, is a shadow of things to come, therefore we must reject it?

Of course the Bible doesn't teach any these things. Yet, you imply that one sentence in Col. 2 says all these things.

How is it you call Passover "ONLY" a shadow. Is not the entire Law and Prophets a "Shadow" of things to come?


Shouldn't we know about "things to come"? Maybe that is why the Christ said:

Matt. 5:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 

[Studyman]

The issue I brought up related to beginning in the spirit, not beginning in the spiritual law.

It's not a good idea to think that you can begin in the spirit, and get finished in the flesh.

God's Law is Spiritual. Your unbelief doesn't change that Biblical fact.

 

[Studyman]

"A 24 hour period where we listen to Him and not our self, where we dwell on Him and not our job or our pleasure."

and because I love you, I want to respond to that part of your post even though I know it was addressed to posthuman.

That's great! Could you listen to God 2 days a week? could you dwell on God 2 days a week?

when you are at your job, are you unable to listen to God?

I want to be immersed in God 7 days a week because in him we live and move and have our being!

You are being dishonest with yourself and others if you are preaching that you follow His Sabbath 7 days a week. You have deceived yourself number 1, and you are in direct disobedience to His Spiritual Law number 2.

Ex. 20:
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Now why would you want me to live in direct violation of my Lord's Commandment?

Can I do "my work" during the week and not steal? Not Kill? Not Commit Adultery?

Sure I can, and so can you. Is it a sin to work for 6 days a week and walk in the Commandments of God? Of course not.

But is it a sin to refuse to separate the "Sabbath of the Lord" from the rest of the week? According to God it is.

So some men will choose God's Command, over the religious traditions of man that you are furthering, and some men will choose the religious traditions of men over God's Commandments.

I am urging you, in the love of God, to follow God's Word, and in your human love for me, you are urging me to follow man's religious tradition.

You argument sounds religious, quite smooth to the ears, but it defeats the whole purpose of God's Holy Sabbath. If you want to be "immersed in God" than why don't you start with doing things the way He says to do them. We will all need His Mercy in that day.

Ex. 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

 

[posthuman]

No, not this time Post. You are not going to deflect and change the subject this time.

how is it that you call continuing and elaborating on the exact same question 'deflection'?

you know what colossians 2 says, who it explicitly tells us is the substance of which sabbath observation is a shadow.

JESUS OF NAZARETH

so you say, "not this time post"

this time you are not going to talk about Christ and glorify Him?

do you think glorifying Jesus Christ is 'deflection'?
what in the world do you think is more important to talk about than Him?

i think about Him while i keep sabbath days. don't you?

which time are you ever going to devote to speaking about Him, if not today?

 

[Studyman]

The Commandments are the things that are the mere Shadows. Our needs and desires are things like how can I get more cable channels, or a better mobile phone.

Ex. 20:
1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

So in your religion, this is a mere shadow of things to come. So given it is a shadow, and not the very substance, do we reject it?

Do we reject Passover because it is a mere shadow of things to come?

Do we reject "Thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself" because it is a "Commandment", therefore a "shadow of things to come?

The Law and Prophets, are these also not a "Shadow" of things to come? Do we reject these as well? Where in the Bible does it say to reject the "shadows"?

 

[posthuman]

God's Law is Spiritual. Your unbelief doesn't change that Biblical fact.

did you learn to slander and bear false witness against people by the spirit or by the flesh?

what voice in your heart told you to lie about Dan?

 

[Studyman]

how is it that you call continuing and elaborating on the exact same question 'deflection'?

you know what colossians 2 says, who it explicitly tells us is the substance of which sabbath observation is a shadow.

JESUS OF NAZARETH

so you say, "not this time post"

this time you are not going to talk about Christ and glorify Him?

do you think glorifying Jesus Christ is 'deflection'?
what in the world do you think is more important to talk about than Him?

i think about Him while i keep sabbath days. don't you?

which time are you ever going to devote to speaking about Him, if not today?

Just as I said. You asked a question, I answered it in detail, and you go in circles avoiding my answer.

I don't believe your preaching that one sentence in Col. 2 makes void the entire Law and Prophets. And nowhere does the Bible say I am to reject the "shadows". It teaches just the opposite.

 

[Studyman]

did you learn to slander and bear false witness against people by the spirit or by the flesh?

what voice in your heart told you to lie about Dan?

I don't mind being in the company of others who you also judge, as in your words, the Rapist, murdering liar David, who you preach didn't pay a price for his sin, God took it out on his infant son.

But I fear while you are judging others as wicked, you are blind to your own deception. I wish that on no one.

 

[posthuman]

your preaching that one sentence in Col. 2 makes void the entire Law and Prophets.

this is lies and slander.

if God is not a liar, on whose behalf does a slanderer actually speak?

has sabbath observance taught you this?

 

[Studyman]

this is lies and slander.

if God is not a liar, on whose behalf does a slanderer actually speak?

has sabbath observance taught you this?

I don't believe your preaching that one sentence in Col. 2 makes void the entire Law and Prophets. And nowhere does the Bible say I am to reject the "shadows". It teaches just the opposite.

 

[RDK]

Being indwelt by God's holy spirit we're always in relationship with the most high.
The argument that really doesn't comport with scripture is that which condemns observation of the Sabbath, while the one making that argument knows themselves to be one who goes to church on Sunday. That's observing what is the spirit of the Sabbath on a day the Lord did not identify as the day of rest.

There is that argument that repeatedly argues, we are not under the law. And yet, if that is believed they would then be arguing they don't abide nor respect the ten moral commands, or laws of God, that Jesus did not abolish at all. The law and the prophets , he said, hang on two commandments. Love the Lord your God with all your heart. And love your neighbor as you love yourself.
The ten commandments encompass that very thing. Are we to disavow those? Thou shalt not steal. Murder. Take the Lord's name in vain. Etc...

Up to the Book of Revelation we read that the Sabbath, this well after Jesus returned to the father, was observed and by the Apostle John on the isle of Patmos.
How is it argued to be something wrong, that we observe God's Sabbath on the day he designed for us to? We Gentiles, or Christians, are grafted into the olive tree an are nourished by its root. Ezekiel 37 & Romans 11.

And how does someone condemn resting on the Bible's Sabbath day, per those scriptures, and worship God in church on a Sunday? Thinking that much better and more in keeping with God's will?
They can't.

The danger of commanding a Sabbath was the reenactment of the penalties for not following it under a Mosaic command. Along with resting came duties to not doing any work on that day. You could be cursed for making a fire or cooking food on this day. That's quite a bit more than just resting quietly to reflect on God.

 

[Studyman]

The danger of commanding a Sabbath was the reenactment of the penalties for not following it under a Mosaic command. Along with resting came duties to not doing any work on that day. You could be cursed for making a fire or cooking food on this day. That's quite a bit more than just resting quietly to reflect on God.

I understand how people are convinced that God's Commands can be "Dangerous". The serpent, from the very beginning, works to paint God's instructions in a bad light. Even suggesting that obedience to His Commands makes one blind, and that the only way to "see" or be "free" is to reject His Command and follow those of our own mind.

The idea of preparing enough food on Friday so one doesn't have to "cook, prepare, work" on His Sabbath, as we do during the week, is a bad thing How? I don't believe it is a bad thing, I think it simply goes against the religious traditions of men.

We have this life to prepare for the return of the Christ. WE prepare in this life what we will benefit from in the next with Christ's help. This is what His Sabbath is all about. This is why He said His Holy Sabbath was made for man. A day to fast from the wickedness of this World. A day to show our commitment to Honor the Lord of the Sabbath, not just with our lips, but with our bodies as well. Like Paul said:

Rom. 12:
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world(Which would include this worlds religions) but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

The Christ also said;

"Man does not live by bread alone, but by Every Word which proceeds from the mouth of God."

There is no honest way, that I have found, to read His Word and conclude that God's will is for us to reject His Commandments, any of them, least of all the one His Son said was made for man. I don't think it is possible to "endure until the end" by rejecting His Word's and living after our own religious traditions.

It is a difficult topic to discuss because of all God's Commandments, this is the one that is rejecte4d, omitted, polluted the most by "Christianity". And the effects on religions in general is clearly seen if we would just look around.

It is my hope that one might consider the Word's of Isaiah, a Prophet that the Christ quoted often.

Is. 58:
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

But most really just don't believe even though the Christ explains why.

Luke 16:
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Food for thought

 

[gb9]

I understand how people are convinced that God's Commands can be "Dangerous". The serpent, from the very beginning, works to paint God's instructions in a bad light. Even suggesting that obedience to His Commands makes one blind, and that the only way to "see" or be "free" is to reject His Command and follow those of our own mind.

The idea of preparing enough food on Friday so one doesn't have to "cook, prepare, work" on His Sabbath, as we do during the week, is a bad thing How? I don't believe it is a bad thing, I think it simply goes against the religious traditions of men.

We have this life to prepare for the return of the Christ. WE prepare in this life what we will benefit from in the next with Christ's help. This is what His Sabbath is all about. This is why He said His Holy Sabbath was made for man. A day to fast from the wickedness of this World. A day to show our commitment to Honor the Lord of the Sabbath, not just with our lips, but with our bodies as well. Like Paul said:

Rom. 12:
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world(Which would include this worlds religions) but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

The Christ also said;

"Man does not live by bread alone, but by Every Word which proceeds from the mouth of God."

There is no honest way, that I have found, to read His Word and conclude that God's will is for us to reject His Commandments, any of them, least of all the one His Son said was made for man. I don't think it is possible to "endure until the end" by rejecting His Word's and living after our own religious traditions.

It is a difficult topic to discuss because of all God's Commandments, this is the one that is rejecte4d, omitted, polluted the most by "Christianity". And the effects on religions in general is clearly seen if we would just look around.

It is my hope that one might consider the Word's of Isaiah, a Prophet that the Christ quoted often.

Is. 58:
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

But most really just don't believe even though the Christ explains why.

Luke 16:
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Food for thought

for anyone who read this propaganda, please read James 2. or better yet, the whole letter of James.

 

[Studyman]

for anyone who read this propaganda, please read James 2. or better yet, the whole letter of James.

James 2:
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? (Who told him to offer his son? God or some preacher)

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

Ex. 20:
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Rev. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

The Bible says the same thing front and back. It's just that "many" don't "believe", so they call it "propaganda". Mainstream preachers have been doing this for a long time.

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, (Propaganda) so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Even Exodus 20.

 

[gb9]

James 2:
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? (Who told him to offer his son? God or some preacher)

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

Ex. 20:
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Rev. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

The Bible says the same thing front and back. It's just that "many" don't "believe", so they call it "propaganda". Mainstream preachers have been doing this for a long time.

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, (Propaganda) so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Even Exodus 20.

and this is what you do is propaganda= you do not address what James said about those who try to earn salvation by command keeping.

instead, you take a small snip of James 2, attach other snips from other books , and interject your own opinions, say a catchphrase, and throw a final little jab.

that is textbook how propaganda works- highlight certain parts of something, ignore others, have very convincing arguments, and throw out catchphrases , end with a little hook.

it does not work on those who know what is being done, and have read the Bible threw many times.

 

[posthuman]

. A day to fast from the wickedness of this World.

do you embrace wickedness 6 days a week and sanctify yourself by ceasing for one?

or are you again saying something that should be done 24/7?

maybe you don't actually understand sabbath at all

 

[posthuman]

There is no honest way, that I have found, to read His Word and conclude that God's will is for us to reject His Commandments, any of them,

including do not bear false witness, do not slander, and do not let anyone judge you with regard to a sabbath, which is a shadow, the substance being Christ.

 

[Studyman]

and this is what you do is propaganda= you do not address what James said about those who try to earn salvation by command keeping.

instead, you take a small snip of James 2, attach other snips from other books , and interject your own opinions, say a catchphrase, and throw a final little jab.

that is textbook how propaganda works- highlight certain parts of something, ignore others, have very convincing arguments, and throw out catchphrases , end with a little hook.

it does not work on those who know what is being done, and have read the Bible threw many times.

Rom. 3:
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

 

[Studyman]

="posthuman, post: 3725669, member: 170505"]do you embrace wickedness 6 days a week and sanctify yourself by ceasing for one?

or are you again saying something that should be done 24/7?

It is not unlawful to work 6 days a week, doing so is actually in obedience to the God of the Bible. It is unlawful to do our work on His Holy Sabbath.

"Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:"

So to work during the week is not embracing wickedness as you imply, rather, doing the Will of God, something the Christ said was essential for Salvation.

The implication that following God's instruction is somehow "embracing wickedness" or that I can't work during the week as commanded without killing, or stealing or cheating may be your religious tradition. But I don't believe that is what God intended when He created His Sabbath for man.

So in answer to your question, NO, I don't believe doing as God instructs is "Embracing Wickedness".

maybe you don't actually understand Sabbath at all

Maybe.

You are free to preach and believe anything you like.