Sabbath

[Studyman]

suppose a person asks, 'what does water baptism mean? what does it represent?'

do you think you'd be a good teacher if all you said in reply was 'you must be baptized scripture commands it'?

would you have shown that you have understanding or knowledge if the only thing you are able say is 'baptism means you must be baptised'?

wouldn't you just be saying useless words and demonstrating ignorance? you certainly would not be answering the question.

We keep going in circles Post. You said once that the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by following God's Commandments. I pointed out to you that although this doctrine is popular with the religions of the land, it is not true if the Bible is your source of information.

But you rejected most everything posted. You didn't address the volumes of scriptures, the points they make, nothing. You just continued in your belief, and continued furthering this doctrine even though the Word's of the very Christ you claim as your Savior, exposes it as untrue.

If you are willing to ignore, even the Christ, in regards to this preaching, how will it be any different on God's Holy Sabbath that He created for you, or the meaning of baptism, or any of His instructions that "many" have been convinced are "against us"?

What if the Bible is true and it is you who are mistaken? What if the Christ is speaking the truth about the Mainstream Preachers of His time? What if they were not trying to earn Salvation by following God's Laws but had created their own religion as the Law and Prophets, the Christ all said? What if the Christ is speaking the truth and His Sabbath is made for man?

For me it's about submitting to the God of the Bible and His Words. Not religious traditions of the religions of the land. Being baptized, immersed, in the Living Waters, the teaching of the Word which became Flesh. Washing in the Spiritual Jordan even if religious man thinks there are better waters. Believing and following the Word which became Flesh even though we don't understand the reason or the meaning yet.

Today is the Last Great Day, the last of the yearly "Feasts of the Christ" rejected by all of Mainstream Christianity. On this day years ago the Messiah stood and said:

John 7:
37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Ps. 105:
41 He opened the rock, and the waters gushed out; they ran in the dry places like a river.
42 For he remembered his holy promise, and Abraham his servant.

John 14:
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth (Living Waters) whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you

Is there another path to the "living water"? Can we know the truth any other way?

Eve was convinced there was. But I am not.

 

[posthuman]

We keep going in circles Post. You said once that the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by following God's Commandments. I pointed out to you that although this doctrine is popular with the religions of the land, it is not true if the Bible is your source of information.

But you rejected most everything posted. You didn't address the volumes of scriptures, the points they make, nothing. You just continued in your belief, and continued furthering this doctrine even though the Word's of the very Christ you claim as your Savior, exposes it as untrue.

If you are willing to ignore, even the Christ, in regards to this preaching, how will it be any different on God's Holy Sabbath that He created for you, or the meaning of baptism, or any of His instructions that "many" have been convinced are "against us"?

What if the Bible is true and it is you who are mistaken? What if the Christ is speaking the truth about the Mainstream Preachers of His time? What if they were not trying to earn Salvation by following God's Laws but had created their own religion as the Law and Prophets, the Christ all said? What if the Christ is speaking the truth and His Sabbath is made for man?

For me it's about submitting to the God of the Bible and His Words. Not religious traditions of the religions of the land. Being baptized, immersed, in the Living Waters, the teaching of the Word which became Flesh. Washing in the Spiritual Jordan even if religious man thinks there are better waters. Believing and following the Word which became Flesh even though we don't understand the reason or the meaning yet.

Today is the Last Great Day, the last of the yearly "Feasts of the Christ" rejected by all of Mainstream Christianity. On this day years ago the Messiah stood and said:

John 7:
37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Ps. 105:
41 He opened the rock, and the waters gushed out; they ran in the dry places like a river.
42 For he remembered his holy promise, and Abraham his servant.

John 14:
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth (Living Waters) whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you

Is there another path to the "living water"? Can we know the truth any other way?

Eve was convinced there was. But I am not.

if you are going to completely ignore a question why do you quote it?

 

[posthuman]

d

keep going in circles

seems to me that if a person keeps a ceremony every week for 50 years but can't say they've found any meaning to what they are doing, and is unable to tell what it is this thing they do represents, then they may be going in circles.

 

[posthuman]

2 Timothy 3:3-7
without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.

 

[posthuman]

what is sabbath observance a picture of?

who meditated on the Lord Saturday, and what He is teaching by this sign?

what have you learned? anything?
has anyone in here come to a knowledge of the Truth?

 

[Studyman]

for the record, I asked what is the meaning of the sabbath.
that presupposes on my part that I believe there is meaning.

studydude replied without giving any meaning. so I asked him does he think its meaningless?

at which point he started in with the slander and false witness.

I hate to keep having to post your own words to show what you really said.

because you have no idea?
you only know it's a rule, but in your mind it's otherwise meaningless

You didn't ask a question, you didn't address my post in response to your inquiry. You misrepresent my words, and even your own. Maybe you should spend some time reflecting on yourself instead of me.

 

[Dan_473]

There are some who believe in "Every Word" which proceeds from the Word which became Flesh and dwelt among us. We understand how the religions of the land will ridicule and mock this believe as this has always been the case according to the Bible. We believe there is only one God, the Lord of the Sabbath, and that this God said we can delight in Him in this way.

Is. 58:
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

There is a huge path followed by "many" who believe they have found another way to do the will of God, another way to delight in the Lord.

Maybe they have found another path. But I'm sticking with the Lord of the Sabbath on this one.

I wasn't mocking anybody, and I too go with the lord of the Sabbath who through his representative on Earth after his resurrection talked about how it is not a good idea to think in terms of beginning in the spirit and finishing in the flesh.

 

[Dan_473]

for the record, I asked what is the meaning of the sabbath.
that presupposes on my part that I believe there is meaning.

studydude replied without giving any meaning. so I asked him does he think its meaningless?

at which point he started in with the slander and false witness.

To use a Biblical example, The Prophet Daniel is asked to give the meaning of a dream. I'm thinking of the first dream that Daniel interprets for nebukadnezar. Daniel does not respond by saying that the king is free to believe that the dream has no meaning, he explains in clear terms the interpretation of the dream.

 

[Dan_473]

what is sabbath observance a picture of?

who meditated on the Lord Saturday, and what He is teaching by this sign?

what have you learned? anything?
has anyone in here come to a knowledge of the Truth?

I always figured that the Sabbath Commandments where mirror Shadows of the reality, Shadows of how we obtain salvation now by ceasing from our own works.

So the Sabbath would be a shadow, a mere shadow, of obtaining salvation buy resting from your own works, and maintaining salvation the same way.

Further, it's a mere shadow of how we are now bought with a price, and thus no longer are focused on our needs and desires, but on doing God's work.

 

[Studyman]

="posthuman, post: 3723665, member: 170505"]d

seems to me that if a person keeps a ceremony every week for 50 years but can't say they've found any meaning to what they are doing, and is unable to tell what it is this thing they do represents, then they may be going in circles.

God's Holy Sabbaths are truly a delight to me, has opened my eyes to many things. But it will only help if one follows it "Lawfully". The Pharisees followed a version of the Sabbaths of God that was not lawful, therefore it didn't help them. But this truth will not be understood if one is convinced the Pharisees were keeping God's Commandments, and not a version of their own.

Consider these Word's from the Christ as the Word of God.

Is. 58:
1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.
2 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.

3 Wherefore have we fasted, say they, and thou seest not? wherefore (WHY) have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours.

4 Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.

5 Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?

6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? (Deception)

7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward.

9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;


God's Sabbath is a weekly fast from this wicked world. One day a week where we immerse ourselves in Him and His Word and fast from this world. A 24 hour period where we listen to Him and not our self, where we dwell on Him and not our job or our pleasure. A Time where we Honor God apart from "Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:" A time where we submit our self to Him and His Word without distraction. His Sabbath is truly "made for man", not man for the Sabbath.

This is why I post here, why I spend so much time posting His Word's, His warnings, His examples. Not because I hate you, but because I love you, as the Christ loved me.

Matt. 13:
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

A man can say or imply that God's Sabbaths are not His Commandment all they want. But He placed it right in the 10 so we would know and believe how important it is, along with not committing adultery, and murder.

All a man has to do is trust and have Faith in the Lord of the Sabbath enough to follow HIM.

 

[Studyman]

I always figured that the Sabbath Commandments where mirror Shadows of the reality, Shadows of how we obtain salvation now by ceasing from our own works.

So the Sabbath would be a shadow, a mere shadow, of obtaining salvation buy resting from your own works, and maintaining salvation the same way.

Further, it's a mere shadow of how we are now bought with a price, and thus no longer are focused on our needs and desires, but on doing God's work.

Can you show me in God's Word how following God's Commandments, including His Holy Sabbath, is "focusing on our needs and desires" and not focusing on "doing God's Work"?

Isn't God's Holy Sabbath a " Good Work" that God before ordained that we should walk in them?

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Surely a Commandment the Christ created for man would be considered a "good work".

 

[posthuman]

because you have no idea?
you only know it's a rule, but in your mind it's otherwise meaningless?

dude left off the question mark.

see?

I asked a question. like I said.

 

[Studyman]

dude left off the question mark.

see?

I asked a question. like I said.

No, I don't believe there is anywhere in the scriptures which say God's Sabbath is meaningless, and I certainly don't believe it is meaningless, and the Christ certainly didn't teach it was meaningless.

You and I are on two different paths Post. We see scriptures differently, we understand the Gospel differently. We look at the God of the Bible differently. I answered your question, but I expect you will just ignore it.

 

[Studyman]

I wasn't mocking anybody, and I too go with the lord of the Sabbath who through his representative on Earth after his resurrection talked about how it is not a good idea to think in terms of beginning in the spirit and finishing in the flesh.

Rom. 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

God's Law is Spiritual. I agree it is a good idea to repent from our "Lawless", unspiritual, rebellious ways and turn to God's Good, Holy and Just and Spiritual Law. It would be a bad idea to turn away from God and follow religious traditions of man, or revert to a Priesthood with it's obsolete "Works of the Law" for remission of sins that the Jews were pushing on the Galatians. But what does that have to do with not killing, or not stealing or keep His Sabbath Holy?

 

[posthuman]

No, I don't believe there is anywhere in the scriptures which say God's Sabbath is meaningless, and I certainly don't believe it is meaningless, and the Christ certainly didn't teach it was meaningless.

great, me either so, what does it mean?

 

[Studyman]

great, me either so, what does it mean?

See post #1,330 that I replied to you.

 

[posthuman]

See post #1,330 that I replied to you.

great, I see that it's what you should be doing every day and every hour.

but what does it represent?

we know the law is only a shadow of the good things to come. we know specifically that the Sabbaths and the feasts and festivals and the differentiation of clean and unclean food is only a shadow.

what is this a shadow of?

 

[Studyman]

great, I see that it's what you should be doing every day and every hour.

but what does it represent?

we know the law is only a shadow of the good things to come. we know specifically that the Sabbaths and the feasts and festivals and the differentiation of clean and unclean food is only a shadow.

what is this a shadow of?

No, not this time Post. You are not going to deflect and change the subject this time.

"what's the meaning of the sabbath day, what does it represent?"

I gave a detailed answer, with scripture. It wasn't a long post so as not to offend your sensibilities. It didn't rable on about other things. It was a detailed, honest, heart felt answer to your question.

And you completely ignored it, you didn't reply to any of it. You do this all the time to me and then get all offended when I point these things you do out.

This time, why don't you show me where I am wrong relying on the scriptures I use, and how my reply doesn't answer your question.

Or was it not a question at all as I thought.

 

[Dan_473]

Can you show me in God's Word how following God's Commandments, including His Holy Sabbath, is "focusing on our needs and desires" and not focusing on "doing God's Work"?

Isn't God's Holy Sabbath a " Good Work" that God before ordained that we should walk in them?

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Surely a Commandment the Christ created for man would be considered a "good work".

The Commandments are the things that are the mere Shadows. Our needs and desires are things like how can I get more cable channels, or a better mobile phone.

 

[Dan_473]

Rom. 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

God's Law is Spiritual. I agree it is a good idea to repent from our "Lawless", unspiritual, rebellious ways and turn to God's Good, Holy and Just and Spiritual Law. It would be a bad idea to turn away from God and follow religious traditions of man, or revert to a Priesthood with it's obsolete "Works of the Law" for remission of sins that the Jews were pushing on the Galatians. But what does that have to do with not killing, or not stealing or keep His Sabbath Holy?

The issue I brought up related to beginning in the spirit, not beginning in the spiritual law.

It's not a good idea to think that you can begin in the spirit, and get finished in the flesh.