Why Jesus is NOT coming soon
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I mean, how does the calculation come up to 70AD, do you mind showing how it precisely comes to 70AD?
According to Daniel, the Messiah comes at the 69th week and the abomination is set in the middle of the 70th week, it would be a stretch to reach 70AD as the end of the matter.
69 weeks are fulfilled . . . ended at the cross (started when Cyrus allowed the Jews to return to their homeland). One week remains unfulfilled, the time of Jacob's trouble. Those seven years are still future.
Too many studies are available on line for me to try to 'precisely' explain it on this chat/message board. Research both sides - don't be stuck on one.
The remnant will flee to the caves of Petra . . . yet future. Do a search on Petra and its place in the Tribulation.
I know of things that you don't know, trust me. There's never going to be a 7 year anything.
The end of age will be like the days of Noah; everything will be NORMAL- people will be eating and drinking and marrying and being given to marriage.
time to rethink your false theology.
Just a question, do you want to say that the old age did not end in the first century, just because you do not see the calculation or because it was delayed by 40 years? You know it did.
-457 + 490 = 33 AD.
One generation (40 years to 70 AD) was given to Jews to prepare. This is "this generation" Christ was frequently talking about.
The details will differ on the basis of which textual version, which translation and interpretation of Daniel you use.
Well, I'll just have to continue my ministry of posting truth to error . . . you chose your views, I mine. There are roughly 500 lurkers on this site that are reading - not posting, watching - not participating. I post, for the most point, to them. When, or if I am banned (as a couple of members tried to to last evening) I'll consider my ministry here to have fulfilled it's course . . . and move on.
Gladly many are not impressed by all the so-called 'biblical scholars' here.
The word of God is truth, if there was any delay it should have been addressed in the prophesy for your sake.
Is the scripture time conscious and does it give details of the precise transition time from the old to the new covenant? Yes
Rev 14:13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”
This is the precise moment when the antichrist took over reign and the blood of Christ (new covenant) became effective. This marks the beginning of end times and had to be after the gospel was preached to all nations and tribes. It is not 70AD but around 90AD.
You need to read Daniel 9:26,27. It clearly speaks of the Messiah being cut off and in the middle of the week 31/2 years the oblations will cease.
Nope.
When Jesus was asked about the end of age, He referred the listeners back to the abomination that was spoken of by Daniel. Daniel puts the abomination in the middle of 70th week. Daniel said 70 weeks are determined, not generations. There is no way your calculation will hit 70AD.
Details of the prophesy should not differ, there should be one understanding.
Jesus also said " ..wars and rumors of wars, but still the end will not come.."- so there's no way a war in that generation would have ushered the end, that would make Jesus a liar (God forbid).
So, what desolation happened in 33 AD, according to you? Thats the middle of the week.
Also, the text is ambiguous:
And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation.
It does not have to be read that the temple will be desolated in the midst of the week. Therefore it cannot be a reason for refuting 70 AD.
No, i don't plan or wish that people are banned. Myself have expressed radical views that threatened my stay here; i'm usually opposed to the popular doctrines.
But you 'll help if you explain what you say about the 7 year great tribulation in light of what Jesus said about things in the end of age being normal.
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Wrong, It speaks of messiah getting cut off at the end or immediately after the 69th week. Which literally happened. As we should have expected to happen, from a prophesy from God.
70 AD or 90 AD, its actually not very important in 2018 AD. The important thing is that it already happened in the past.
Wow, are you still promoting this lie? You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
Matthew 24 and 25 is speaking about the tribulation period. The end of the Age, not the end of God's dealing with Israel as a nation.
"That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee" (Deuteronomy 30:3).
When did this happen? Is it speaking of the Babylonian captivity? I think not. This is yet future.
The Sermon on the Mount and much of the first three gospels are concerned with Kingdom living (which can not start until Israel accepts Jesus Christ as their Messiah) - and that occurs at the end of the Tribulation and the beginning of the Millennium.
God is not finished with Israel as a nation - though they be in unbelief. They will believe and be born in a day according to Zechariah.
Daily sacrifice being abolished and abomination being set has always been one event, they go hand in hand so yes, that verse means the abomination is in the middle of the week no matter the translation.
Dan 11: 31 His forces will rise up and desecrate the temple fortress. They will abolish the daily sacrifice and set up the abomination of desolation.
Dan 12:11 And from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation set up, there will be 1,290 days.
Daniel 9:27
And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of the temple will come the abomination that causes desolation, until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him."
Nope. It is not something that you can it already happened.
70 week prophesy is a timeline and the abomination is not a physical event that one can say it already happened. It started and is continuing through our time until the end of age.
The prophesy clearly says desolation will continue for the last half of the week until the end that is determined is poured on the him (the antichrist).