Why Jesus is NOT coming soon
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Outside of the creeds everything is to agree to disagree. The creeds define what a person must believe to be a Christian. Therefore disagreements abound
Look at all of the gospel preaching denominations. Each has issues that divide them from each other. But they they greet each other as fellow Christians. So be nice and disagree nicely.
Outside of the creeds everything is to agree to disagree. The creeds define what a person must believe to be a Christian. Therefore disagreements abound
Look at all of the gospel preaching denominations. Each has issues that divide them from each other. But they they greet each other as fellow Christians. So be nice and disagree nicely.
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There are 2 opposed paradigms. Calvinism and Armenianism. Notice they directly oppose on each of the 5 points. Each has a site defending each point in a lengthy statement backed up with scripture references. Notice losing salvation is point 5 of Arminianism. There are both on this site so expect these differences of opinion since all are outside of the creeds. Personally I have a Calvinist aka Reformed viewpoint. Even so I agree to disagree with my fellow Christians the Armenians.
Quinquarticular Controversy
The diametrically opposed Calvinist and Armenian 5 points
Reformed/Calvinism
TULIP
1. Total depravity
2. Unconditional election
3. Limited atonement
4. Irresistible grace
5. Perserverance of the Saints
Armenianism
1. Free will or Human ability
2. Conditional election
3. Universal Redemption or General Atonement
4. The Holy Spirit can be Effectually Resisted
5. Falling from Grace
For a deeper discussion of the differences go to these web sites,
https://www.gotquestions.org/Calvinism-vs-Arminianism.html
Arminianism vs Calvinism Controversial Passages
https://www.xenos.org/essays/calvinism-arminianism-controversial-passages
There are denominations adhering to Calvinism, Arminianism, and parts of each creating a spectrum of different views of these issues.
Quinquarticular Controversy
The diametrically opposed Calvinist and Armenian 5 points
Reformed/Calvinism
TULIP
1. Total depravity
2. Unconditional election
3. Limited atonement
4. Irresistible grace
5. Perserverance of the Saints
Armenianism
1. Free will or Human ability
2. Conditional election
3. Universal Redemption or General Atonement
4. The Holy Spirit can be Effectually Resisted
5. Falling from Grace
For a deeper discussion of the differences go to these web sites,
https://www.gotquestions.org/Calvinism-vs-Arminianism.html
Arminianism vs Calvinism Controversial Passages
https://www.xenos.org/essays/calvinism-arminianism-controversial-passages
There are denominations adhering to Calvinism, Arminianism, and parts of each creating a spectrum of different views of these issues.
Yeah, your bad attitude shows in a lot of places, including here with all your lies and false accusations. I asked you direct questions related to what you said and you skirted every single one of them and then pretended you did not. Then you went into a thread I had posted in quite a few times today, and fabricated a story about me teaming up with another user to get you banned. You are an unreliable witness.
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While what you say is true concerning the condition of some Churches, and behavior of some people who claim Christianity, it has no bearing on when Christ returns.
Whether they are all spotless, or all hypocritical, or a mixture, has no bearing on when Christ returns.
Which Jesus said when He comes back will He find faith, for He knows the condition of hypocrisy among many when He comes back.
And said watch for when He comes back and you are not ready then you will not be resurrected, but have your portion with the hypocrites, which the Bible says there will be many hypocrites at the end time.
And everything is on a schedule which certain events have to happen first, and when those events happen then Jesus will return, which actually has to do with the condition of the world, not the condition of the people who claim Christianity.
Jesus is coming back when He comes back, and on a schedule, not waiting for the people who claim Christ to clean up themselves before He comes back, for if that is the case He would not come back, for the people will only get worse because the young people grow up in a ever growing selfish, and arrogant, and self exalting world, for that is the direction they are going according to the working of the flesh, so the condition of many who claim Christ will only get worse in their interpreting the scriptures to cater more to the flesh, resulting in worse hypocrisy.
And that is what happened concerning the new age movement which is the future for this sinful world, who interpret the Bible according to evolution, and not a personal God, and the time will come they will only want to hear it that way according to their own lusts to evolve through nature to be greater and spiritual, for they believe people are still evolving.
It is only worse from here on out.
But the truth of the matter that while there is many hypocrites when Jesus comes back the Church will be clean, and right.
Because it does not matter how many hypocrites there are that claim Christianity the Church is always clean.
Jesus said the gates of hell cannot prevail against the Church.
And the hypocrites do not belong to the Church.
So the only people that can belong to the Church is people who act like Christ led by the Spirit doing the things of the Lord.
There is no such thing as a hypocritical Christian, for they cannot be a hypocrite and a Christian at the same time.
So when Jesus comes back the Church is clean despite all the hypocrisy that goes on, and Jesus is not going to wait for the hypocrites to stop being hypocritical before He comes back for it is only going to get worse with their hypocrisy to where they are more selfish, and arrogant, and worldly.
But while the hypocrisy gets worse the truth is the Bible will win the religious wars, and the world will embrace it and will become the standard book of truth where it once was not, for the time will come the world will say it is truth.
But the interpretation of it is wrong, that pleases the world, that is based on the occult, nature worship, evolution, and people can still evolve, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in the evolutionary process and love, which delights the other religions that do not believe Jesus is Savior, but he is not the final teacher, and do not acknowledge a personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process.
Which they believe the New Age Christ is Lucifer who brought the principle of mind to the then animal-man years ago, and will cause them to evolve when the nations come together as one to try to establish peace on earth.
Which is why the Bible says that all who do not love God, and Jesus, will worship the beast who gets his power from Satan at the beast kingdom that is in the future.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Now you know why there is the feminist movement, and women coming forth accusing men in hollywood, and television, and gender neutral, and the saying you are born gay, and promoting being a vegetarian, for it will be international law one day, so they are trying to drive a wedge between men and women wanting them to hate each other, and cause confusion concerning gender, because they want population reduction on their blessed mother earth, Gaia.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
This is the condition of the people that believe the Bible is true in the future, which is only what the world wants to hear concerning the Bible.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
And this is their leader who will be of the new age movement, but when he claims to be God they get rid of the unified religious system, for he is the final teacher in the evolutionary process.
It is only going to get worse in hypocrisy concerning those who claim the Bible is true, for they are not only more hypocritical, but they also stop believing in a personal God, and Jesus is part of the evolutionary process of mankind, and an ascended master, and avatar, which they want to be like that when the New Age Christ appears.
Whether they are all spotless, or all hypocritical, or a mixture, has no bearing on when Christ returns.
Which Jesus said when He comes back will He find faith, for He knows the condition of hypocrisy among many when He comes back.
And said watch for when He comes back and you are not ready then you will not be resurrected, but have your portion with the hypocrites, which the Bible says there will be many hypocrites at the end time.
And everything is on a schedule which certain events have to happen first, and when those events happen then Jesus will return, which actually has to do with the condition of the world, not the condition of the people who claim Christianity.
Jesus is coming back when He comes back, and on a schedule, not waiting for the people who claim Christ to clean up themselves before He comes back, for if that is the case He would not come back, for the people will only get worse because the young people grow up in a ever growing selfish, and arrogant, and self exalting world, for that is the direction they are going according to the working of the flesh, so the condition of many who claim Christ will only get worse in their interpreting the scriptures to cater more to the flesh, resulting in worse hypocrisy.
And that is what happened concerning the new age movement which is the future for this sinful world, who interpret the Bible according to evolution, and not a personal God, and the time will come they will only want to hear it that way according to their own lusts to evolve through nature to be greater and spiritual, for they believe people are still evolving.
It is only worse from here on out.
But the truth of the matter that while there is many hypocrites when Jesus comes back the Church will be clean, and right.
Because it does not matter how many hypocrites there are that claim Christianity the Church is always clean.
Jesus said the gates of hell cannot prevail against the Church.
And the hypocrites do not belong to the Church.
So the only people that can belong to the Church is people who act like Christ led by the Spirit doing the things of the Lord.
There is no such thing as a hypocritical Christian, for they cannot be a hypocrite and a Christian at the same time.
So when Jesus comes back the Church is clean despite all the hypocrisy that goes on, and Jesus is not going to wait for the hypocrites to stop being hypocritical before He comes back for it is only going to get worse with their hypocrisy to where they are more selfish, and arrogant, and worldly.
But while the hypocrisy gets worse the truth is the Bible will win the religious wars, and the world will embrace it and will become the standard book of truth where it once was not, for the time will come the world will say it is truth.
But the interpretation of it is wrong, that pleases the world, that is based on the occult, nature worship, evolution, and people can still evolve, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in the evolutionary process and love, which delights the other religions that do not believe Jesus is Savior, but he is not the final teacher, and do not acknowledge a personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process.
Which they believe the New Age Christ is Lucifer who brought the principle of mind to the then animal-man years ago, and will cause them to evolve when the nations come together as one to try to establish peace on earth.
Which is why the Bible says that all who do not love God, and Jesus, will worship the beast who gets his power from Satan at the beast kingdom that is in the future.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Now you know why there is the feminist movement, and women coming forth accusing men in hollywood, and television, and gender neutral, and the saying you are born gay, and promoting being a vegetarian, for it will be international law one day, so they are trying to drive a wedge between men and women wanting them to hate each other, and cause confusion concerning gender, because they want population reduction on their blessed mother earth, Gaia.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
This is the condition of the people that believe the Bible is true in the future, which is only what the world wants to hear concerning the Bible.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
And this is their leader who will be of the new age movement, but when he claims to be God they get rid of the unified religious system, for he is the final teacher in the evolutionary process.
It is only going to get worse in hypocrisy concerning those who claim the Bible is true, for they are not only more hypocritical, but they also stop believing in a personal God, and Jesus is part of the evolutionary process of mankind, and an ascended master, and avatar, which they want to be like that when the New Age Christ appears.
