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OK, so is Heb 10 quoting Jer 31?
Hebrews 10:14-20, “For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are being set apart. And the Set-apart Spirit also witnesses to us, for after having said before, This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them,” (Jer 31:33, Heb 8:8-12) and, “Their sins and their lawlessnesses I shall remember no more.” (Jer 31:34) Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer a sacrifice offering for sin. So, brothers, having boldness to enter into the Set-apart Place by the blood of יהושע, by a new and living way which He instituted for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh,”
and if gentiles are not a part of this what do they have to do with the Messiah?
Hebrews 10:14-20, “For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are being set apart. And the Set-apart Spirit also witnesses to us, for after having said before, This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them,” (Jer 31:33, Heb 8:8-12) and, “Their sins and their lawlessnesses I shall remember no more.” (Jer 31:34) Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer a sacrifice offering for sin. So, brothers, having boldness to enter into the Set-apart Place by the blood of יהושע, by a new and living way which He instituted for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh,”
and if gentiles are not a part of this what do they have to do with the Messiah?
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Luke 24:44-46, “And He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all have to be fulfilled that were written in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.
He went farther in Mat 5, He said heaven and earth have to pass and ALL be done...
Matthew 5:17-19, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done. Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.”
or there is an alternate reading of this passage:
Matthew 5:17-19, “Do not think..."
He went farther in Mat 5, He said heaven and earth have to pass and ALL be done...
Matthew 5:17-19, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done. Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.”
or there is an alternate reading of this passage:
Matthew 5:17-19, “Do not think..."
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Do not steal can be written with letters. But I believe the law written in our hearts, the hearts of Believers by the spirit, is written with the spirit.
Written with the spirit
Written with letters
I believe that's the difference!
Will a Believer by and large fulfill the letter of the law? Some of the laws, certainly.
Written with the spirit
Written with letters
I believe that's the difference!
Will a Believer by and large fulfill the letter of the law? Some of the laws, certainly.
I believe Hebrews chapter 10 is quoting Jeremiah 31.
If the Covenant is made with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, then perhaps the Gentiles are under a covenant through the blood of Messiah that is a different Covenant?
As I said, they are probably the same Covenant. But I was interested in exploring it.
If the Covenant is made with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, then perhaps the Gentiles are under a covenant through the blood of Messiah that is a different Covenant?
As I said, they are probably the same Covenant. But I was interested in exploring it.
Can you find another COvenant in Scripture ratified by the blood of Messiah? I can not. Not saying you ides to look is wrong, I believe we should study deeply.
SO my bottom mine is, when I look at Jer 31, Heb 8 and 10 I see the Covenant to Israyl ratified in the blood of Messiah, when I look to PS 105 and 89 I see YHWH's eternal Covenant made with Abraham continues to Israyl (PS 105) and the same eternal Covenant "stands fast with Him (Messiah) - (PS 89)
Look to Num 15 and Ex 15 and we can see Gentiles that follow YHWH are as native born: that is Israylites...
SO my bottom mine is, when I look at Jer 31, Heb 8 and 10 I see the Covenant to Israyl ratified in the blood of Messiah, when I look to PS 105 and 89 I see YHWH's eternal Covenant made with Abraham continues to Israyl (PS 105) and the same eternal Covenant "stands fast with Him (Messiah) - (PS 89)
Look to Num 15 and Ex 15 and we can see Gentiles that follow YHWH are as native born: that is Israylites...
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are you deaf?
it doesn't matter if they did or if they didn't. i ain't even gonna comment on the snare you lay, fall in your own pit thanks.
change in priesthood = change in law
change in law = removal of nonzero amount of jots and tittles.
now one of two things has clearly and inescapably come to pass: the law has passed away entirely or the believer, who has this new priest is no way whatsoever under it.
you keep saying priesthood changed you keep proving i am speaking the truth and you are not. priesthood changed then the law is nailed to the cross as far as believer is concerned, he is not under it, whether it is completely removed for all or whether it is because in Christ the believer has died and is set free from the law in order to serve instead by spirit, because the law says nothing to a dead man. Romans 7.
i am not even making a comment as to which is so, all we need to know in order to destroy all pretense that the believer is judged by anything in the law is to know we have a new priest who is not a Levite.
are you able to understand, or still blind? gonna praise God now or lie about me some more?
it doesn't matter if they did or if they didn't. i ain't even gonna comment on the snare you lay, fall in your own pit thanks.
change in priesthood = change in law
change in law = removal of nonzero amount of jots and tittles.
now one of two things has clearly and inescapably come to pass: the law has passed away entirely or the believer, who has this new priest is no way whatsoever under it.
you keep saying priesthood changed you keep proving i am speaking the truth and you are not. priesthood changed then the law is nailed to the cross as far as believer is concerned, he is not under it, whether it is completely removed for all or whether it is because in Christ the believer has died and is set free from the law in order to serve instead by spirit, because the law says nothing to a dead man. Romans 7.
i am not even making a comment as to which is so, all we need to know in order to destroy all pretense that the believer is judged by anything in the law is to know we have a new priest who is not a Levite.
are you able to understand, or still blind? gonna praise God now or lie about me some more?
"I desire mercy not sacrifice"
yet He requires sacrifice in the Law.
i don't think I'm isolating but remaining true to the text. not trying to change what it says because of some idea i have of what it ought to say.
the reconciliation is clear to me, they profane every sabbath ecayse they do work, carry burdens and kindle fire. all prohibited by the letter. so Jesus is pointing out that the law itself teaches that to follow Him and do God's work is greater than the ceremonial keeping of sabbath, because the law itself requires the priest to do these things prohibited by the letter of the law regarding sabbath observation.
and what does it mean about David eating shewbread?
mercy, not sacrifice. there is a righteousness that is greater than the keeping of commandments. He showed the same thing about circumcision taking place on sabbath; something greater than sabbath observation according to letter of law.
yet He requires sacrifice in the Law.
i don't think I'm isolating but remaining true to the text. not trying to change what it says because of some idea i have of what it ought to say.
the reconciliation is clear to me, they profane every sabbath ecayse they do work, carry burdens and kindle fire. all prohibited by the letter. so Jesus is pointing out that the law itself teaches that to follow Him and do God's work is greater than the ceremonial keeping of sabbath, because the law itself requires the priest to do these things prohibited by the letter of the law regarding sabbath observation.
and what does it mean about David eating shewbread?
mercy, not sacrifice. there is a righteousness that is greater than the keeping of commandments. He showed the same thing about circumcision taking place on sabbath; something greater than sabbath observation according to letter of law.
Psalm 51:16-17, “For You do not desire sacrifice, or I would give it; You do not delight in ascending offering. The sacrifices of the Mighty One are a broken spirit, A heart broken and crushed, O Mighty One, These You do not despise.”
Desire and require are 2 different things.
SOme sins are worthy of death:
1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."
The sacrifice is a lesson in that principle.
IF the Sabbath is made for doing Yah;s will (Isa 58:1-14 and Mat 12:12) then doing His will is never a transgression of the Sabbath.. But rather IT'S PURPOSE... To "cease from one's OWN works" and "do His"
Without understanding this one will never understand those passages about the Pharisees and Yahshua concening the Sabbath nor the Sabbath...
Desire and require are 2 different things.
SOme sins are worthy of death:
1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."
The sacrifice is a lesson in that principle.
IF the Sabbath is made for doing Yah;s will (Isa 58:1-14 and Mat 12:12) then doing His will is never a transgression of the Sabbath.. But rather IT'S PURPOSE... To "cease from one's OWN works" and "do His"
Without understanding this one will never understand those passages about the Pharisees and Yahshua concening the Sabbath nor the Sabbath...
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No I'm not blind or deaf. If the Law and Prophets teach something, then it is a jot or a title of the Law and Prophets. So what is written in the Law and Prophets defines what the jots and titles are. Even if you don't believe this, it is still true.
This seems rudimentary to me. Given that the "Change in the Priesthood" was first promised in the Law and Prophets, just as the Birth of our Savior was first promised, just like the death of this same Savior was first promised, then the "changed Priesthood" is no different than any other Promise or prophesy.
You treat it like this promised change is somehow the breaking of the Law and Prophets when the TRUTH is it is the fulfillment of a prophesy just like the Birth of Christ,
You can't honestly treat the fulfillment of this "change in the Priesthood" and different than the fulfillment of the "Birth of Christ".
So is there a Promise in the Law and Prophets that God's Laws would be "nailed to the Cross", No, you will never find such a promise because it doesn't exist. You find just the opposite. The Word which became Flesh said He would write God's Laws on our heart. No more Priesthood to filter God's Words.
You keep trying to convince others that the promise of this "change in the Priesthood" is somehow a Jot or Title passing from the Law and Prophets, when in fact it is the fulfillment of prophesy that you have been shown over and over.
So no Post, I am not blind or deaf. I read and study your religion and I understand it perfectly.
And my question is, is the Christ fulfilling the Promise found in the Law and Prophets of a changed priesthood any different than any of the Prophesies, some fulfilled, some not yet fulfilled?
And if your preaching is that this Promise is somehow different than any other Promise, what scriptures lead you to this doctrine.
You should be able to understand this point and question.
This seems rudimentary to me. Given that the "Change in the Priesthood" was first promised in the Law and Prophets, just as the Birth of our Savior was first promised, just like the death of this same Savior was first promised, then the "changed Priesthood" is no different than any other Promise or prophesy.
You treat it like this promised change is somehow the breaking of the Law and Prophets when the TRUTH is it is the fulfillment of a prophesy just like the Birth of Christ,
You can't honestly treat the fulfillment of this "change in the Priesthood" and different than the fulfillment of the "Birth of Christ".
So is there a Promise in the Law and Prophets that God's Laws would be "nailed to the Cross", No, you will never find such a promise because it doesn't exist. You find just the opposite. The Word which became Flesh said He would write God's Laws on our heart. No more Priesthood to filter God's Words.
You keep trying to convince others that the promise of this "change in the Priesthood" is somehow a Jot or Title passing from the Law and Prophets, when in fact it is the fulfillment of prophesy that you have been shown over and over.
So no Post, I am not blind or deaf. I read and study your religion and I understand it perfectly.
And my question is, is the Christ fulfilling the Promise found in the Law and Prophets of a changed priesthood any different than any of the Prophesies, some fulfilled, some not yet fulfilled?
And if your preaching is that this Promise is somehow different than any other Promise, what scriptures lead you to this doctrine.
You should be able to understand this point and question.
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Isaiah 25:6-8
On this mountain the LORD of hosts will make for all peoples a feast of rich food, a feast of well-aged wine, of rich food full of marrow, of aged wine well refined. And he will swallow up on this mountain the covering that is cast over all peoples, the veil that is spread over all nations. He will swallow up death forever; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from all faces, and the reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth, for the LORD has spoken.
"wipe away" in rev. 21:4 is the same word as "blotted out" in col. 2:14
Romans 3:19-22
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe
whoever has been immersed into Christ is immersed into His death. whoever has died is no longer liable to the Law, which is the power of sin, and is therefore in Him free of all condemnation.
Romans 6 & 7 therefore Romans 8.
John 5:45
Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope.
On this mountain the LORD of hosts will make for all peoples a feast of rich food, a feast of well-aged wine, of rich food full of marrow, of aged wine well refined. And he will swallow up on this mountain the covering that is cast over all peoples, the veil that is spread over all nations. He will swallow up death forever; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from all faces, and the reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth, for the LORD has spoken.
"wipe away" in rev. 21:4 is the same word as "blotted out" in col. 2:14
Romans 3:19-22
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe
whoever has been immersed into Christ is immersed into His death. whoever has died is no longer liable to the Law, which is the power of sin, and is therefore in Him free of all condemnation.
Romans 6 & 7 therefore Romans 8.
John 5:45
Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope.
Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and
Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and
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For those who have been convinced that God's Instruction brought tears and reproach, and are against us, and for those who have been convinced that in the Day you reject His Word's, "THEN" you are free from blindness, yes, if you equate God's Word with tears and reproach, and blindness (Vail). If a man is convinced that it is God's Words that is the scourge of the earth, and that the Christ came back to "Free" you, not from sin, but from God's words, then yes, you might believe this way. But the Bible says it is wickedness, sin, stubbornness, unrighteousness, pride, self exaltation that is the scourge of the earth. This is what causes the tears and the reproach.
The Christ didn't look at God's instructions the way you do. That is why He said they would be here as long as this earth is here. Nothing in the scripture you posted says God will destroy, or as you preach "Remove" His Word that the Christ says lasts forever.
Once we reject God's instructions we are guilty, we are guilty, we are guilty. No matter what we do, not matter what Laws we follow, what religions we promote. No matter how many hungry people we feed or Sabbaths we follow. We are still guilty. NOTHING we can do will ever change that. There is only one way to have our past sin excused, pardoned, "Wiped away". And that is through the Blood of Christ.
Yes, a dead person can not sin, can not serve anyone. So our old self is "dead", crucified with Christ. But we are also risen with Christ, our new High Priest. In Christ we are not dead "IF we continue in His Goodness". Now that we are alive, and not dead, we can serve God, or we can also transgress, rebel, be stubborn, exalt our self again.
Rom. 6:
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, (Not free from God's instructions ) ye became the servants of righteousness
And who did Moses tell them to obey?
The Christ didn't look at God's instructions the way you do. That is why He said they would be here as long as this earth is here. Nothing in the scripture you posted says God will destroy, or as you preach "Remove" His Word that the Christ says lasts forever.
Once we reject God's instructions we are guilty, we are guilty, we are guilty. No matter what we do, not matter what Laws we follow, what religions we promote. No matter how many hungry people we feed or Sabbaths we follow. We are still guilty. NOTHING we can do will ever change that. There is only one way to have our past sin excused, pardoned, "Wiped away". And that is through the Blood of Christ.
Yes, a dead person can not sin, can not serve anyone. So our old self is "dead", crucified with Christ. But we are also risen with Christ, our new High Priest. In Christ we are not dead "IF we continue in His Goodness". Now that we are alive, and not dead, we can serve God, or we can also transgress, rebel, be stubborn, exalt our self again.
Rom. 6:
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, (Not free from God's instructions ) ye became the servants of righteousness
And who did Moses tell them to obey?
Again, you has isolated and used parts of a scripture to further your religious belief.
Col. 2:
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body {is} of Christ.
Not rudiments of the world, not vain deceit, not men's tradition, but the Body of Christ. Passover, Feast of Unleavened bread, Pentecost, these are of the Body of Christ, and we, like Jesus and ALL His People, are not to let others judge us in following Him and His instructions over the religious traditions of man.
Col. 2:
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body {is} of Christ.
Not rudiments of the world, not vain deceit, not men's tradition, but the Body of Christ. Passover, Feast of Unleavened bread, Pentecost, these are of the Body of Christ, and we, like Jesus and ALL His People, are not to let others judge us in following Him and His instructions over the religious traditions of man.