Is baptism required for salvation?

[CS1]

Actually you get water baptized after you get saved according to Act 8:36

For the cause of Christ
Roger

actually, that is what I said "when you get saved. " you then get baptized

 

[Jackson123]

Is baptism a work of righteousness? According to Jesus it is (Matthew 3:15) and we are not saved by our works of righteousness (Titus 3:5[And many other verses]).

No matter how you look at it, water baptism is a work, it is something you do, and according to the Scriptures we are not saved by works, I assume you already know the many verses so I dont need to post them all here, I will list a couple references though: Gal 2:21, Eph 2:8-9; Rom. 4:5; Rom 5:1, 2 tim 1;9; rom. 3:20; Rom. 3:28; etc.

How do you get around these verses to teach that baptism is required for salvation? Do you believe in baptismal regeneration? If so, how about the example of Cornelius, where he is given the Holy Spirit and saved by hearing the Gospel and believing, and only AFTER that fact he is baptized, how is that possible if baptismal regeneration is true?

Paul said he was sent to preach the Gospel and not to baptize. If baptism is required for salvation, this would make no sense.

Yes baptism is a verb, but salvation is product of faith.

Faith produce work. Faith is something in your mind. When you have faith in Jesus you invite Jesus into your heart. Invite is also a verb. But I do not think faith is a verb(I may wrong)

So faith produce or couse you TO invite ( verb)Jesus. When jesus in your heart It Will make you willing to be baptized, love other, and love other Will make you help other.

Is help other save you? No, you save by faith, but help other is product of faith in Jesus.

 

[preston39]

actually, that is what I said "when you get saved. " you then get baptized

C....,

Actually after the act of repentance we must be baptized to complete the total sin removal process and become..."born again".
Using the word ...saved...here is a misnomer and unfair to G-d's plan of judgement.

 

[CS1]

C....,

Actually after the act of repentance we must be baptized to complete the total sin removal process and become..."born again".
Using the word ...saved...here is a misnomer and unfair to G-d's plan of judgement.

C....,

Actually after the act of repentance we must be baptized to complete the total sin removal process and become..."born again".
Using the word ...saved...here is a misnomer and unfair to G-d's plan of judgement.

No I do not see it that way because the Bible does not say it that way JOhn 3:16 Jesus speaking and rom 10"9-10 "Belief" and "Confession" baptized it what one does after they are saved , Born again or regenerated.

 

[preston39]

No I do not see it that way because the Bible does not say it that way JOhn 3:16 Jesus speaking and rom 10"9-10 "Belief" and "Confession" baptized it what one does after they are saved , Born again or regenerated.

C...,

Please explain how and what part of John 3:16 fits with your position?
and factually..what is your position on the point?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his ...
www.bible.com/bible/1/JHN.3.16.kjv
John 3:16 KJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. KJV: King James Version.

 

[CS1]

C...,

Please explain how and what part of John 3:16 fits with your position?
and factually..what is your position on the point?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his ...
www.bible.com/bible/1/JHN.3.16.kjv
John 3:16 KJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. KJV: King James Version.

The Holy Spirt as we know is the one who draws us to the Lord. John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day."

No comes into the Father. The Holy Spirit help create a godly sorrow for one to see their need of Christ. The power of the Gospel Message is OF GOD for Salvation as Roman 1:16 states:

“ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Roman 10:9-10 also speak of this.

In John 3:16:
“ 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Salvation happens before one is baptized because the belief and faith is what should be leading one for salvation, then to get Baptized.

 

[preston39]

The Holy Spirt as we know is the one who draws us to the Lord. John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day."

No comes into the Father. The Holy Spirit help create a godly sorrow for one to see their need of Christ. The power of the Gospel Message is OF GOD for Salvation as Roman 1:16 states:

“ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Roman 10:9-10 also speak of this.

In John 3:16:
“ 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Salvation happens before one is baptized because the belief and faith is what should be leading one for salvation, then to get Baptized.

C...,

I am sure that is what I said...repentance first...then baptism.

 

[CS1]

C...,

I am sure that is what I said...repentance first...then baptism.

you did ask me to explain right John 3:16 so I provided that.

 

[notuptome]

actually, that is what I said "when you get saved. " you then get baptized

Is that meant to imply that you are not saved until you are water baptized?

One is Holy Spirit baptized the moment they believe and that is when they are saved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[LW97]

Jesus was water baptized, but not to get his sins forgiven. I mean, did he have any? No!

 

[preston39]

you did ask me to explain right John 3:16 so I provided that.

C...,

Which I do not see.
That's ok.

 

[preston39]

Jesus was water baptized, but not to get his sins forgiven. I mean, did he have any? No!

L...,
I am not aware of anyone asserting that water baptism forgives sins. Do you..if so who/when?
Repentance and baptism ...together...completes the repentance process .

 

[CS1]

Is that meant to imply that you are not saved until you are water baptized?

One is Holy Spirit baptized the moment they believe and that is when they are saved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

lol you like to read into much.

 

[preston39]

Is that meant to imply that you are not saved until you are water baptized?

One is Holy Spirit baptized the moment they believe and that is when they are saved.

For the cause of Christ....Roger

n...,
We must keep our terms correct...less we miss lead someone;

we are.... saved ....when G-d reviews our righteous life after death and grants us eternal salvation.
When we repent and are baptized here on this earth in this physical life we are....born again.

 

[fredoheaven]

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

The bible says we can know for sure we are saved, having eternal life/ born again the moment we repent and believe on Him.

God bless

 

[Nehemiah6]

we are.... saved ....when G-d reviews our righteous life after death and grants us eternal salvation.

Looks like you have a very incorrect understanding about salvation. You should go back to the basics.

 

[notuptome]

lol you like to read into much.

I'm always concerned when you handle the scriptures and biblical doctrines in a casual fashion. We need to be precise when we articulate bible doctrines and make application from the scriptures.

Reduces the opportunity for heresy and appearance of misbehavior.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[CS1]

I'm always concerned when you handle the scriptures and biblical doctrines in a casual fashion. We need to be precise when we articulate bible doctrines and make application from the scriptures.

Reduces the opportunity for heresy and appearance of misbehavior.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

right

 

[LW97]

L...,
I am not aware of anyone asserting that water baptism forgives sins. Do you..if so who/when?
Repentance and baptism ...together...completes the repentance process .

Repent ye, and believe the Gospel

 

[plaintalk]

Let us look to the words of John the Baptist which plainly said:

Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

This verse is plain and clear, there are two different baptisms. There is water baptism that we should do if we are able to do so, to fulfill Righteousness. There is Holy Ghost Baptism that a persons heart is changed forever. One is required for Salvation, the other is not.

There is only one baptism that is Required for one to be Saved, and that is a Holy Ghost baptism, the moment your life changed because you believed in Jesus, and all your sins were washed away, a New Heart was given to you.

Water Baptism is not Required for Salvation but is something that we should all do if we are able to do so
Giving to the poor is something that we should all do if we are able to do so
Visiting the sick is something that we should all do if we are able to do so
Feeding the hungry is something that we should all do if we are able to do so
Clothing the naked is something that we should all do if we are able to do so
Helping those in need is something that we should all do if we are able to do so
All these things are things we should do, but are NOT Required for Salvation. ONLY ONE Baptism is required for Salvation that that is the Holy Ghost Baptism that Jesus does for us.

Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Which baptism do you think this verse is referring to: Water Baptism or Holy Ghost Baptism. Which ever one you pick, the other you think is less important.

Holy Ghost Baptism = Required for Salvation
Water Baptism = Not Required for Salvation but is something we should do if we are able to do it.


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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

I would like to share a different view:
Is baptism a work? Of course, but it is a work of faith (1 Thess. 1: 3) not righteousness in that faith is required before we are baptized (Acts 8: 36-38)
Is it required for salvation? Of course, we must be born of both water and the Spirit to enter the Kingdom. (John 3: 5)
Baptism in water is a commandment of our lord, baptism in the Holy Spirit is a promise to those who obey His commandment. (Acts 2: 38, 39) How many baptisms lead directly to our salvation? There is one baptism but two elements Just as there is one spiritual birth (John 3: 5) but two elements, water and the Spirit. (Eph. 4: 5)
Why do we need both elements? They contribute different blessings: water is about death and dying with our lord, becoming a disciple and a child of God, repentance and being freed from sin; the baptism in the Spirit is about life and renewal, receiving a new heart and spirit, it is God's seal that we are children of God, it is His pledge that he will resurrect our mortal bodies; it is about the fruit of the Spirit.
Does baptism wash away sin? Yes, when we obey the commandments to repent and be baptized, we are sprinkled with the blood of Jesus. (1 Peter 1: 1, 2) As our bodies are washed with pure water our heart are sprinkled with the blood of Christ. (Heb. 10; 22; 9: 14)
Does baptism save us? Yes, we are saved by the washing of regeneration (Titus 3: 5); "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved" (Mark 16: 16); "baptism now saves you" (1 Peter 3: 21)
Abraham was justified by works of faith, not faith alone. (james 2: 22-24)
We are saved by grace through faith which works in love with works of faith to perfect our faith. (Eph. 2: 8, 9; Gal. 5: 6; James 2: 20-24)
God bless.