WHO IS ENOCH AND WHAT DOES HE MEAN TO ME?

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PennEd

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garee said:
It's what the RCC believe as a foundation of necromancy .

Peter believed the same oral tradition of men as a lie. "Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die:)"

If every time Jesus had to dispel the oral traditions of men that do make the tradition of God 's word without effect as the scriptures say.... the books that could be written would not fit in this world .

Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to theeThis is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.John 21:22-25

The RCC uses that same portion of scripture to approve of the oral or what they call Devine Sacred Traditions of their fathers as a law of men again turning things upside down as if scripture was loosed from earth and bound in heaven .
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Not trying to be rude, but I have never seen a person who believes less than the actual text says in the Bible than you.

In all seriousness, do you believe Lazarus was dead before Jesus raised him back to life?
 
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o_Oo_O Such Un-Beleive-A-BULL-Uh-Tee! :mad:

Rapture? "really!"
Necromancy? "really!"
Inerrant Bible? "Really!" Although, both Enoch, and the Book of Jasher, are mentioned, in "the inerrent Bible?" Thus making it (a/the) "Canonical Bible?" It is still in the eyes of men, "Inerrant?" -smh......smh!

Enoch 40
8After this I besought the angel of peace, who proceeded with me, to explain all that was concealed. I said to him, Who are those whom I have seen on the four sides, and who words I have heard and written down? He replied, The first is the merciful, the patient, the holy Michael.

9The second is he who presides over every suffering and every affliction of the sons of men, the holy Raphael. The third, who presides over all that is powerful, is Gabriel. And the fourth, who presides over repentance, and the hope of those who will inherit eternal life, is Phanuel. These are the four angels of the most high God, and their four voices, which at that time I heard.
 
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PennEd said:
Not trying to be rude, but I have never seen a person who believes less than the actual text says in the Bible than you.

In all seriousness, do you believe Lazarus was dead before Jesus raised him back to life?
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Dead asleep (like hibernation ) like the saints in heaven to be used as a parable to represent the second and final resurrection. Not dead like those who have no faith.

Christ first said he is asleep they did not understand the idea of soul sleep so he said.... dead . Again I would call it dead asleep, my teen years. My Mom who has passed had ways to get me to arise . She would just sing high pitched songs . I should of recorded them they would make good alarm clock tunes.

Christ simply said "arise" the wake up call all saints will hear at the last or 7th trump (call)
 
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Such Un-Beleive-A-BULL-Uh-Tee! :mad:

Rapture? "really!"
Necromancy? "really!"
Inerrant Bible? "Really!" Although, both Enoch, and the Book of Jasher, are mentioned, in "the inerrent Bible?" Thus making it (a/the) "Canonical Bible?" It is still in the eyes of men, "Inerrant?" -smh......smh!

Enoch 40
8After this I besought the angel of peace, who proceeded with me, to explain all that was concealed. I said to him, Who are those whom I have seen on the four sides, and who words I have heard and written down? He replied, The first is the merciful, the patient, the holy Michael.
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Colossians 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of (falling) angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

9The second is he who presides over every suffering and every affliction of the sons of men, the holy Raphael. The third, who presides over all that is powerful, is Gabriel. And the fourth, who presides over repentance, and the hope of those who will inherit eternal life, is Phanuel. These are the four angels of the most high God, and their four voices, which at that time I heard.
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The bible God's word after no man just mentions Enoch prophesied or declared the will of God .It does not say it added to the book of prophecy the Bible, as a private interpretation of the Catholic persuasion.

The church is not an authority .We have the authority of God as it is written in the law and the prophets(sola scriptura) in us but is never to assumed it could be of us.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

PILLARS OF CHURCH AUTHORITY: POPE URBAN VIII | PRIVATE REVELATION:
† POPE URBAN VIII: "In cases which concern private revelations, it is better to believe than not to believe, for, if you believe, and it is proven true, you will be happy that you have believed, because our Holy Mother asked it. If you believe, and it should be proven false, you will receive all blessings as if it had been true, because you believed it to be true." (Pope Urban VIII)

Catholicism just a way of keeping the airways (lying wonders) of necromancy open to the workers with familiar spirits that a Catholic must call "patron saints"
 
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garee said:
Dead asleep (like hibernation ) like the saints in heaven to be used as a parable to represent the second and final resurrection. Not dead like those who have no faith.

Christ first said he is asleep they did not understand the idea of soul sleep so he said.... dead . Again I would call it dead asleep, my teen years. My Mom who has passed had ways to get me to arise . She would just sing high pitched songs . I should of recorded them they would make good alarm clock tunes.

Christ simply said "arise" the wake up call all saints will hear at the last or 7th trump (call)
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I don't understand this answer.

Was Lazarus physically dead, heart stopped beating, no breathing, body beginning to decay for 4 days or not?
 
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PennEd said:
I don't understand this answer.

Was Lazarus physically dead, heart stopped beating, no breathing, body beginning to decay for 4 days or not?
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Physically not breathing as dead asleep no human qualifier for hearing the voice of God typified as the last trump . Arise as the last trump... as deaf, the word of God gave him spiritual ears to hear what the Spirit says.

A parable in respect to the last day (in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book) the second and final resurrection, the seventh trump as the voice of God .Spoken of in Isaiah 29

Isaiah 29:17-19 King James Version (KJV) Is it not yet a very little while, and Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest? And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.
 
PennEd

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garee said:
Physically not breathing as dead asleep no human qualifier for hearing the voice of God typified as the last trump . Arise as the last trump... as deaf, the word of God gave him spiritual ears to hear what the Spirit says.

A parable in respect to the last day (in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book) the second and final resurrection, the seventh trump as the voice of God .Spoken of in Isaiah 29

Isaiah 29:17-19 King James Version (KJV) Is it not yet a very little while, and Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest? And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.
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Can you please just answer the question and stop dancing?!!

Was he physically dead. His soul gone, his heart stop beating, no breathing, his body decaying, for 4 days. Yes or no?
 
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PennEd said:
Can you please just answer the question and stop dancing?!!

Was he physically dead. His soul gone, his heart stop beating, no breathing, his body decaying, for 4 days. Yes or no?
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I don't understand how he claims to believe the Bible that was written by necromancers from the Roman Catholic Church!??
 
Dino246

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PennEd said:
Can you please just answer the question and stop dancing?!!

Was he physically dead. His soul gone, his heart stop beating, no breathing, his body decaying, for 4 days. Yes or no?
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I agree... he does tend to add a lot of filler to his posts. Brevity, specificity and clarity aren't his strengths. His views that all of Scripture is prophecy and parables doesn't help either.
 
Dino246

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garee said:
The two witnesses are as that which is written "the law and the prophets"(sola scriptura) And not the witness of men seen. We walk by a exclusive faith that comes from hearing God, not seen.

1 John 5:9-10 King James Version (KJV) If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Even the Son of man Jesus refused to be called a infallible witness (daysman) in respect to his flesh.But rather gave glory to God, not seen, saying only God is good.
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This is inconsistent with Revelation 11:5-12.
 
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PennEd said:
Can you please just answer the question and stop dancing?!!

Was he physically dead. His soul gone, his heart stop beating, no breathing, his body decaying, for 4 days. Yes or no?
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I'll answer: yes, he was dead and would have started to rot and stink but God knew Jesus was on the way to raise him so He did not allow him to rot. Just like Jesus did not see corruption. :cool:
 
Dino246

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I'll answer: yes, he was dead and would have started to rot and stink but God knew Jesus was on the way to raise him so He did not allow him to rot. Just like Jesus did not see corruption. :cool:
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Respectfully, that is speculative. Scripture says nothing about whether Lazarus actually stank; only that because it had been four days, he was expected to stink.
 
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Dino246 said:
Respectfully, that is speculative. Scripture says nothing about whether Lazarus actually stank; only that because it had been four days, he was expected to stink.
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But he didn't stink. How is that speculative? Do you think God knows the future? Why would He let him rot just to un-rot him? Or are you questioning whether he was really dead? Jesus said he was.

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I don't understand how he claims to believe the Bible that was written by necromancers from the Roman Catholic Church!??
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I suggested the oral traditions of the Catholic fathers use necromancy as their own foundation and not that the Bible was written by necromancers.
 
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The scriptures do not inform us that Lazarus stunk. But just as with the temporal body of Christ. It most likely did not see corruption

No roll on deodorant needed. Just the scent of a Spring Breeze in the air.

Psalm 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Acts 2:31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

No man as the bride of Christ has received their new incorruptible bodies. It will be neither Jew nor Gentile, male nor female .

There will be no blend reigning with Christ here on earth.

Bad news to the LGBT camp who call themselves Christians.
 
Dino246

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But he didn't stink.
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There isn't a verse stating such. It is a reasonable conclusion, but it is not stated. Proper interpretation depends on distinguishing between the two. :)
 
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