you keep saying Messiah, and rightly so. Jesus Is Lord and Savior. He saves us . we do not save ourselves. the rich young ruler was told ' no one is good , but one, that is God. " also, " you know the Commands ..." the reply " I have kept these since my youth ', and the most important part " you still lack one thing, sell, give, and follow me.
Is Christmas paganism?
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I agree with some of what you are saying here, but let me ask you a question...
Have you ever been to a Church Christmas play. The ones that go through the whole life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. With the narrator reading directly from the scripture. Most Churches are always packed for this event. I've seen many people get saved after going to a Christmas play...They may have came for the show, the dinner, and a treat bag, but ended up leaving with the best treat of all coming to know and believe in the Savior and the gift of salvation.
So really what part of that could be considered wrong or a sin?
Have you ever been to a Church Christmas play. The ones that go through the whole life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. With the narrator reading directly from the scripture. Most Churches are always packed for this event. I've seen many people get saved after going to a Christmas play...They may have came for the show, the dinner, and a treat bag, but ended up leaving with the best treat of all coming to know and believe in the Savior and the gift of salvation.
So really what part of that could be considered wrong or a sin?
Well I believe in evrything He said including but not limited to the passage you quote from Mat 19. And I donlt know how you view that passage but I don't think having a house or a bed makes one go to hell, I think some people let moey come before the MOstHigh, it seems that was this guys problem... But again, every word, Mat 19, Mat 5, Revelation, Mark, Luke, John...
John 14:23-26, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”
John 8:51 “Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone guards My Word he shall never see death at all.”
John 12:25-26, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. He who loves his life shall lose it, and he who hates his life in this world shall preserve it for everlasting life." Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.”
John 14:23-26, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”
John 8:51 “Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone guards My Word he shall never see death at all.”
John 12:25-26, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. He who loves his life shall lose it, and he who hates his life in this world shall preserve it for everlasting life." Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.”
You say there is anti-Christ, when you use anti-God tactics. I am Hebrew Roots--that tells you that I believe God speaks to me through scripture.
Even the prayer that Christ told us to use as a good prayer example tells you not to falsely accuse. Scripture says God asks for obedience. Our quoting scripture is something you are using to accuse Hebrew Roots of falsely of believing that salvation is given by God for obedience. Neither Hebrew Roots or scripture teaches this. You are being used by demons, for Hebrew Roots teaches to believe in scripture. Of course demons are against us knowing, loving, and following God.
Even the prayer that Christ told us to use as a good prayer example tells you not to falsely accuse. Scripture says God asks for obedience. Our quoting scripture is something you are using to accuse Hebrew Roots of falsely of believing that salvation is given by God for obedience. Neither Hebrew Roots or scripture teaches this. You are being used by demons, for Hebrew Roots teaches to believe in scripture. Of course demons are against us knowing, loving, and following God.
It seems you're trying to defend by making the counter argument, show where I said I am Hebrew Roots. And if those two words aren't in one of your posts then their observation is false.
How about this. Copy their statement about what HR is. And then paste those into a reply and answer each one point as to what HR believes, teaches, as to whether you concur in your faith walk.
This settles the issue of, walks like a duck, that's being implied as to you being Hebrew Roots. While you are then in charge of stating whether you are or not by answering if you agree or no, with what was posted as to what HR teaches/believes.
Then we can move on from this thread being about the conflict between gb9 and you.
How about this. Copy their statement about what HR is. And then paste those into a reply and answer each one point as to what HR believes, teaches, as to whether you concur in your faith walk.
This settles the issue of, walks like a duck, that's being implied as to you being Hebrew Roots. While you are then in charge of stating whether you are or not by answering if you agree or no, with what was posted as to what HR teaches/believes.
Then we can move on from this thread being about the conflict between gb9 and you.
It seems you're trying to defend by making the counter argument, show where I said I am Hebrew Roots. And if those two words aren't in one of your posts then their observation is false.
How about this. Copy their statement about what HR is. And then paste those into a reply and answer each one point as to what HR believes, teaches, as to whether you concur in your faith walk.
This settles the issue of, walks like a duck, that's being implied as to you being Hebrew Roots. While you are then in charge of stating whether you are or not by answering if you agree or no, with what was posted as to what HR teaches/believes.
Then we can move on from this thread being about the conflict between gb9 and you.
How about this. Copy their statement about what HR is. And then paste those into a reply and answer each one point as to what HR believes, teaches, as to whether you concur in your faith walk.
This settles the issue of, walks like a duck, that's being implied as to you being Hebrew Roots. While you are then in charge of stating whether you are or not by answering if you agree or no, with what was posted as to what HR teaches/believes.
Then we can move on from this thread being about the conflict between gb9 and you.
Some of my doctrines line up with any sect. The Catholics say Yahshua/Jesus is the Messiah, so do I does not make me Catholic nor do I have to post a list of their beliefs to prove or disprove.
Also I did not start the personal focus he did...
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I don't think anyone has the patience to go through all the pages of the "Not by works" thread.
I can see where they'd get the impression as you do not say works save. However, it appears very clear there is an element in your postings that is consistent in that you argue we have to work to stay saved.
And really, it isn't impossible to simply state, I am not Hebrew Roots, and be done with it. Avoidance of that seems suspect. The, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, may not be a squirrel , analogy and all that.
I can see where they'd get the impression as you do not say works save. However, it appears very clear there is an element in your postings that is consistent in that you argue we have to work to stay saved.
And really, it isn't impossible to simply state, I am not Hebrew Roots, and be done with it. Avoidance of that seems suspect. The, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, may not be a squirrel , analogy and all that.
I read an interesting article on dangers of the Hebrew Roots movement - https://answersingenesis.org/presuppositions/dangers-hebrew-roots-movement/
The article points out that followers of the Hebrew Roots movement believe that all believers in Christ are obligated to follow Jewish laws and practices from the books of Moses. In some groups, extrabiblical rabbinic teachings and traditions are elevated (if not in official doctrinal beliefs then in practice) to the same level as Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
Although they often speak of keeping the “law,” they are usually inconsistent in how this is understood and defined. For example, certain laws are either broken or neglected while a great deal of attention is placed on keeping the Sabbath (Friday sunset through Saturday sunset) and celebrating the feasts mentioned in Leviticus 23. Hmm.. that sounds very familiar.
The article went on to say that many of the most serious errors of the Hebrew Roots movement stem from its understanding of certain biblical covenants. Chief among these understandings is the notion that “the law” was intended to be binding on all people throughout history. Part of the rationale behind this notion stems from certain statements from Jesus.
The Hebrew Roots movement makes much of the fact that Jesus said he did not come to abolish the Law and that he stressed the importance of keeping commandments. In their view, this means that the law must still be in force today—even on Gentiles, although they were not under the law in Old Testament times (Ephesians 2:11–13). That also sounds very familiar.
Somehow they seem to overlook or interpret the last part of Matthew 5:17 in a much different way than Christians have typically done. Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. By living a sinless life (2 Corinthians 5:21), and then dying as the ultimate sacrifice, our Passover (1 Corinthians 5:7), Jesus Christ fulfilled the law (Colossians 2:14). This is why the Apostle Paul confidently wrote that those who have been saved by faith in Jesus Christ are “not under the law” (Romans 6:14, 7:4; Galatians 5:18).
Furthermore, it is highly questionable to assume that Jesus had the Mosaic Law in mind when he told the disciples to keep his commandments. Earlier in the same evening, he commanded the disciples to love one another (John 13:34), and he gave them several commands during his ministry that are not spelled out in the Mosaic law. It is far more likely that Christ’s words in John 14:15 referred to these instructions.
The article also goes on to say that the Gospel does not depend on the works of the Law. In Colossians 2, Paul explained that the Colossian believers, who were of the uncircumcision (i.e., Gentiles) had been “circumcised with a circumcision made without hands” having been saved “through faith in the powerful working of God” (Colossians 2:11–12). This circumcision made without hands refers to a circumcision of the heart, which comes through the Spirit (Romans 2:25–29).
The previous paragraph laid the framework for what Paul told these Gentile believers next. “Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ” (Colossians 2:16–17). As we have already seen in Acts 15 and Galatians, the early churches often consisted of contingents of both Jews and Gentiles, and they struggled with the dynamic of Gentiles being “brought near by the blood of Christ” (Ephesians 2:13). Many of the Gentile believers had been told that they need to believe in Jesus and follow some or all of the Mosaic law. But, as he did in Galatians, Paul rejected such a view and told these Gentiles not to let anyone judge them if they did not follow Jewish customs, such as the dietary laws, festivals, new moons, or Sabbaths.
Amazingly enough, Hebrew Roots movement teachers flip the meaning of this verse on its head, claiming that Paul is telling them not to let anyone judge them for now keeping these practices. Such an interpretation is exactly the opposite of what Paul stated. The whole thrust of the passage is that a person is saved by faith alone and not by human effort, such as legalism. Another familiar argument.
Very interesting article! The article also mentions that it is difficult to document the movement’s history because of its lack of organizational structure, but the modern Hebrew Roots movement has been influenced in some ways by Seventh-Day Adventism and the Worldwide Church of God during the lifetime of its founder, Herbert W. Armstrong. That explains a lot!
The article points out that followers of the Hebrew Roots movement believe that all believers in Christ are obligated to follow Jewish laws and practices from the books of Moses. In some groups, extrabiblical rabbinic teachings and traditions are elevated (if not in official doctrinal beliefs then in practice) to the same level as Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
Although they often speak of keeping the “law,” they are usually inconsistent in how this is understood and defined. For example, certain laws are either broken or neglected while a great deal of attention is placed on keeping the Sabbath (Friday sunset through Saturday sunset) and celebrating the feasts mentioned in Leviticus 23. Hmm.. that sounds very familiar.
The article went on to say that many of the most serious errors of the Hebrew Roots movement stem from its understanding of certain biblical covenants. Chief among these understandings is the notion that “the law” was intended to be binding on all people throughout history. Part of the rationale behind this notion stems from certain statements from Jesus.
The Hebrew Roots movement makes much of the fact that Jesus said he did not come to abolish the Law and that he stressed the importance of keeping commandments. In their view, this means that the law must still be in force today—even on Gentiles, although they were not under the law in Old Testament times (Ephesians 2:11–13). That also sounds very familiar.
Somehow they seem to overlook or interpret the last part of Matthew 5:17 in a much different way than Christians have typically done. Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. By living a sinless life (2 Corinthians 5:21), and then dying as the ultimate sacrifice, our Passover (1 Corinthians 5:7), Jesus Christ fulfilled the law (Colossians 2:14). This is why the Apostle Paul confidently wrote that those who have been saved by faith in Jesus Christ are “not under the law” (Romans 6:14, 7:4; Galatians 5:18).
Furthermore, it is highly questionable to assume that Jesus had the Mosaic Law in mind when he told the disciples to keep his commandments. Earlier in the same evening, he commanded the disciples to love one another (John 13:34), and he gave them several commands during his ministry that are not spelled out in the Mosaic law. It is far more likely that Christ’s words in John 14:15 referred to these instructions.
The article also goes on to say that the Gospel does not depend on the works of the Law. In Colossians 2, Paul explained that the Colossian believers, who were of the uncircumcision (i.e., Gentiles) had been “circumcised with a circumcision made without hands” having been saved “through faith in the powerful working of God” (Colossians 2:11–12). This circumcision made without hands refers to a circumcision of the heart, which comes through the Spirit (Romans 2:25–29).
The previous paragraph laid the framework for what Paul told these Gentile believers next. “Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ” (Colossians 2:16–17). As we have already seen in Acts 15 and Galatians, the early churches often consisted of contingents of both Jews and Gentiles, and they struggled with the dynamic of Gentiles being “brought near by the blood of Christ” (Ephesians 2:13). Many of the Gentile believers had been told that they need to believe in Jesus and follow some or all of the Mosaic law. But, as he did in Galatians, Paul rejected such a view and told these Gentiles not to let anyone judge them if they did not follow Jewish customs, such as the dietary laws, festivals, new moons, or Sabbaths.
Amazingly enough, Hebrew Roots movement teachers flip the meaning of this verse on its head, claiming that Paul is telling them not to let anyone judge them for now keeping these practices. Such an interpretation is exactly the opposite of what Paul stated. The whole thrust of the passage is that a person is saved by faith alone and not by human effort, such as legalism. Another familiar argument.
Very interesting article! The article also mentions that it is difficult to document the movement’s history because of its lack of organizational structure, but the modern Hebrew Roots movement has been influenced in some ways by Seventh-Day Adventism and the Worldwide Church of God during the lifetime of its founder, Herbert W. Armstrong. That explains a lot!
I read an interesting article on dangers of the Hebrew Roots movement - https://answersingenesis.org/presuppositions/dangers-hebrew-roots-movement/
The article points out that followers of the Hebrew Roots movement believe that all believers in Christ are obligated to follow Jewish laws and practices from the books of Moses. In some groups, extrabiblical rabbinic teachings and traditions are elevated (if not in official doctrinal beliefs then in practice) to the same level as Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
Although they often speak of keeping the “law,” they are usually inconsistent in how this is understood and defined. For example, certain laws are either broken or neglected while a great deal of attention is placed on keeping the Sabbath (Friday sunset through Saturday sunset) and celebrating the feasts mentioned in Leviticus 23. Hmm.. that sounds very familiar.
The article went on to say that many of the most serious errors of the Hebrew Roots movement stem from its understanding of certain biblical covenants. Chief among these understandings is the notion that “the law” was intended to be binding on all people throughout history. Part of the rationale behind this notion stems from certain statements from Jesus.
The Hebrew Roots movement makes much of the fact that Jesus said he did not come to abolish the Law and that he stressed the importance of keeping commandments. In their view, this means that the law must still be in force today—even on Gentiles, although they were not under the law in Old Testament times (Ephesians 2:11–13). That also sounds very familiar.
Somehow they seem to overlook or interpret the last part of Matthew 5:17 in a much different way than Christians have typically done. Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. By living a sinless life (2 Corinthians 5:21), and then dying as the ultimate sacrifice, our Passover (1 Corinthians 5:7), Jesus Christ fulfilled the law (Colossians 2:14). This is why the Apostle Paul confidently wrote that those who have been saved by faith in Jesus Christ are “not under the law” (Romans 6:14, 7:4; Galatians 5:18).
Furthermore, it is highly questionable to assume that Jesus had the Mosaic Law in mind when he told the disciples to keep his commandments. Earlier in the same evening, he commanded the disciples to love one another (John 13:34), and he gave them several commands during his ministry that are not spelled out in the Mosaic law. It is far more likely that Christ’s words in John 14:15 referred to these instructions.
The article also goes on to say that the Gospel does not depend on the works of the Law. In Colossians 2, Paul explained that the Colossian believers, who were of the uncircumcision (i.e., Gentiles) had been “circumcised with a circumcision made without hands” having been saved “through faith in the powerful working of God” (Colossians 2:11–12). This circumcision made without hands refers to a circumcision of the heart, which comes through the Spirit (Romans 2:25–29).
The previous paragraph laid the framework for what Paul told these Gentile believers next. “Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ” (Colossians 2:16–17). As we have already seen in Acts 15 and Galatians, the early churches often consisted of contingents of both Jews and Gentiles, and they struggled with the dynamic of Gentiles being “brought near by the blood of Christ” (Ephesians 2:13). Many of the Gentile believers had been told that they need to believe in Jesus and follow some or all of the Mosaic law. But, as he did in Galatians, Paul rejected such a view and told these Gentiles not to let anyone judge them if they did not follow Jewish customs, such as the dietary laws, festivals, new moons, or Sabbaths.
Amazingly enough, Hebrew Roots movement teachers flip the meaning of this verse on its head, claiming that Paul is telling them not to let anyone judge them for now keeping these practices. Such an interpretation is exactly the opposite of what Paul stated. The whole thrust of the passage is that a person is saved by faith alone and not by human effort, such as legalism. Another familiar argument.
Very interesting article! The article also mentions that it is difficult to document the movement’s history because of its lack of organizational structure, but the modern Hebrew Roots movement has been influenced in some ways by Seventh-Day Adventism and the Worldwide Church of God during the lifetime of its founder, Herbert W. Armstrong. That explains a lot!
The article points out that followers of the Hebrew Roots movement believe that all believers in Christ are obligated to follow Jewish laws and practices from the books of Moses. In some groups, extrabiblical rabbinic teachings and traditions are elevated (if not in official doctrinal beliefs then in practice) to the same level as Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
Although they often speak of keeping the “law,” they are usually inconsistent in how this is understood and defined. For example, certain laws are either broken or neglected while a great deal of attention is placed on keeping the Sabbath (Friday sunset through Saturday sunset) and celebrating the feasts mentioned in Leviticus 23. Hmm.. that sounds very familiar.
The article went on to say that many of the most serious errors of the Hebrew Roots movement stem from its understanding of certain biblical covenants. Chief among these understandings is the notion that “the law” was intended to be binding on all people throughout history. Part of the rationale behind this notion stems from certain statements from Jesus.
The Hebrew Roots movement makes much of the fact that Jesus said he did not come to abolish the Law and that he stressed the importance of keeping commandments. In their view, this means that the law must still be in force today—even on Gentiles, although they were not under the law in Old Testament times (Ephesians 2:11–13). That also sounds very familiar.
Somehow they seem to overlook or interpret the last part of Matthew 5:17 in a much different way than Christians have typically done. Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. By living a sinless life (2 Corinthians 5:21), and then dying as the ultimate sacrifice, our Passover (1 Corinthians 5:7), Jesus Christ fulfilled the law (Colossians 2:14). This is why the Apostle Paul confidently wrote that those who have been saved by faith in Jesus Christ are “not under the law” (Romans 6:14, 7:4; Galatians 5:18).
Furthermore, it is highly questionable to assume that Jesus had the Mosaic Law in mind when he told the disciples to keep his commandments. Earlier in the same evening, he commanded the disciples to love one another (John 13:34), and he gave them several commands during his ministry that are not spelled out in the Mosaic law. It is far more likely that Christ’s words in John 14:15 referred to these instructions.
The article also goes on to say that the Gospel does not depend on the works of the Law. In Colossians 2, Paul explained that the Colossian believers, who were of the uncircumcision (i.e., Gentiles) had been “circumcised with a circumcision made without hands” having been saved “through faith in the powerful working of God” (Colossians 2:11–12). This circumcision made without hands refers to a circumcision of the heart, which comes through the Spirit (Romans 2:25–29).
The previous paragraph laid the framework for what Paul told these Gentile believers next. “Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ” (Colossians 2:16–17). As we have already seen in Acts 15 and Galatians, the early churches often consisted of contingents of both Jews and Gentiles, and they struggled with the dynamic of Gentiles being “brought near by the blood of Christ” (Ephesians 2:13). Many of the Gentile believers had been told that they need to believe in Jesus and follow some or all of the Mosaic law. But, as he did in Galatians, Paul rejected such a view and told these Gentiles not to let anyone judge them if they did not follow Jewish customs, such as the dietary laws, festivals, new moons, or Sabbaths.
Amazingly enough, Hebrew Roots movement teachers flip the meaning of this verse on its head, claiming that Paul is telling them not to let anyone judge them for now keeping these practices. Such an interpretation is exactly the opposite of what Paul stated. The whole thrust of the passage is that a person is saved by faith alone and not by human effort, such as legalism. Another familiar argument.
Very interesting article! The article also mentions that it is difficult to document the movement’s history because of its lack of organizational structure, but the modern Hebrew Roots movement has been influenced in some ways by Seventh-Day Adventism and the Worldwide Church of God during the lifetime of its founder, Herbert W. Armstrong. That explains a lot!
now, look at Armstrong's early teachings, then look at needs to studyman posts. and their is a good chance you will see whom he studies, the " source " of uncorrupted Scripture he says he has, but will not reveal it.
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so you are not going to answer the questions I asked you?
what a surprise
the only reason I ever responded to something you wrote is because of what you said here in your post #23
and I say again, mixing law with salvation is the actual problem occuring in your understanding
I find that practice very distasteful and the boasting that goes along with it is equally so
what a surprise
the only reason I ever responded to something you wrote is because of what you said here in your post #23
and I say again, mixing law with salvation is the actual problem occuring in your understanding
I find that practice very distasteful and the boasting that goes along with it is equally so
since u gave that post of mine a winner sign , not sure why your disagreeing with it here ?
Freedom in Christ = freedom from the Old Covenant law , we are free to celebrate Christmas or any other festival if our conscience is clear
When you ask " are there restrictions on what I think of as Freedom in Christ " i take it your insinuating i mean freedom to do sinful things , which I dont
Its funny that when someone says they are free in Christ ( which NT believers are ) some people automatically assume your saying , oh you just want to live in sin which is as far from the truth as it gets !
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1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. Galatians 5:1
and here is a really good one:
38 “Therefore, my friends, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you.
39 Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.
Acts 13: 38-39
no justification is possible under the law of Moses!!!
and this also:
21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior.
22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—
23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.
Colossians 1: 21-23
salvation by faith and continuing in that faith...FREE from accusation
and so many many more that speak of our freedom and the fact we are no longer under condemnation by the law that was a FORESHADOWING of the promise of our Savior, Christ Jesus
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I understand what you are saying, and for many years of my life I lived it. And as I have said, we are all free to choose. But if I take the human emotion out of the equation and listen to the Word's of the Bible, the truth is the entire creation of Christmas is from "another voice", and not from the Author of my salvation. You and I both know this. Is Christ so vain that He would reject His Father's Feast's and replace them with His birthday celebration on an ancient Pagan High Day? Certainly not the Christ I know.
Was the Christ born on Dec. 25th? No, it is a falsehood to teach this. Not the Truth.
Is this really just an ancient Pagan Celebration that someone placed the Christ's name on and deemed it "Christian"? We both know this is true as well.
Is the Christ the father of lies? I don't believe He is. Does He not promote Truth? Would the Messiah of the Bible want me to promote a lie even if it looked good to religious man? I know you can see my point.
Eph. 6:
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Our mind?)
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
So if I take all the Word's my Master has given me for Armor and weigh them against this worldly accepted "Religious" celebration that there is no mention of in the Bible other than "don't do it". It seems clear to me.
I know how hard it is to let go of tradition. The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time killed their own Savior in order to preserve their doctrines and traditions of man, and they killed the Prophets before Him. Can we teach our children about the Love of God without man made religious traditions not founded on truth? I believe we must.
But if you get right down to it. No matter what "WE" do, how "WE" spin it, no matter how much "Good" we do during this High Day. It is still a Pagan celebration that some man decided to place the Name of Christ on. It is not the Christ's Birthday. No one, not the Wise men, not Peter, not the Disciple who loved Him the most, not the Prophets before Him, no one in the Bible ever promoted the annual celebration of placing His Name on a Pagan High Day and calling it His Birthday. So in reality, this entire religious tradition is not founded on the Truth, but on a falsehood. For this reason I know the Christ is not it's author.
I say these things not in condemnation of anyone. But to simply acknowledge the truth about the origins of this High Day that is "Set apart" by the religions of this world. Does it matter? Well that's a decision each man must make for themselves. Like Paul said: "Let each man be convinced in their own mind."
I can tell you that from a man who has been freed from this tradition, that once you see it from the outside looking in, you will understand why the Messiah said to take His Yoke upon us and learn from Him, not religious traditions of man.
Was the Christ born on Dec. 25th? No, it is a falsehood to teach this. Not the Truth.
Is this really just an ancient Pagan Celebration that someone placed the Christ's name on and deemed it "Christian"? We both know this is true as well.
Is the Christ the father of lies? I don't believe He is. Does He not promote Truth? Would the Messiah of the Bible want me to promote a lie even if it looked good to religious man? I know you can see my point.
Eph. 6:
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Our mind?)
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
So if I take all the Word's my Master has given me for Armor and weigh them against this worldly accepted "Religious" celebration that there is no mention of in the Bible other than "don't do it". It seems clear to me.
I know how hard it is to let go of tradition. The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time killed their own Savior in order to preserve their doctrines and traditions of man, and they killed the Prophets before Him. Can we teach our children about the Love of God without man made religious traditions not founded on truth? I believe we must.
But if you get right down to it. No matter what "WE" do, how "WE" spin it, no matter how much "Good" we do during this High Day. It is still a Pagan celebration that some man decided to place the Name of Christ on. It is not the Christ's Birthday. No one, not the Wise men, not Peter, not the Disciple who loved Him the most, not the Prophets before Him, no one in the Bible ever promoted the annual celebration of placing His Name on a Pagan High Day and calling it His Birthday. So in reality, this entire religious tradition is not founded on the Truth, but on a falsehood. For this reason I know the Christ is not it's author.
I say these things not in condemnation of anyone. But to simply acknowledge the truth about the origins of this High Day that is "Set apart" by the religions of this world. Does it matter? Well that's a decision each man must make for themselves. Like Paul said: "Let each man be convinced in their own mind."
I can tell you that from a man who has been freed from this tradition, that once you see it from the outside looking in, you will understand why the Messiah said to take His Yoke upon us and learn from Him, not religious traditions of man.
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If the scriptures tell us something, should we not believe them? But what if this religion or that religion rejects these scriptures? Should we let them influence whether or not we believe?
Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Matt. 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
There are some who believe the Christ is telling us to do something here. And the implication is, If I refuse to "DO" what He says, I am not accepted by Him.
Am I Hebrew Roots because I believe what the Christ says here over the preaching of others?
Rom. 11:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Again, if I believe in this scripture am I Hebrew Roots? Am I trying to "save myself"?
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Again, if I believe in these Word's of my Master, am I Hebrew Roots? Am I trying to save myself? And I promoting Salvation by my own works?
Maybe we should discuss the scriptures and have an honest discussion regarding their content outside of religious traditions and doctrines of men. Maybe through these "Biblical" discussion we might all learn something. . If you believe these scriptures do not tell us to "do" something, then make your case. If we can't come to an agreement, then move on. Wouldn't this way be a better way?
Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Matt. 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
There are some who believe the Christ is telling us to do something here. And the implication is, If I refuse to "DO" what He says, I am not accepted by Him.
Am I Hebrew Roots because I believe what the Christ says here over the preaching of others?
Rom. 11:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Again, if I believe in this scripture am I Hebrew Roots? Am I trying to "save myself"?
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Again, if I believe in these Word's of my Master, am I Hebrew Roots? Am I trying to save myself? And I promoting Salvation by my own works?
Maybe we should discuss the scriptures and have an honest discussion regarding their content outside of religious traditions and doctrines of men. Maybe through these "Biblical" discussion we might all learn something. . If you believe these scriptures do not tell us to "do" something, then make your case. If we can't come to an agreement, then move on. Wouldn't this way be a better way?
I have revealed my source to you over and over. But because it is the truth, you are incapable of hearing it.
Jer. 50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their resting place.
Jer. 5:
30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;
31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
Matt. 15:
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Matt. 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
John 8:
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Once again I will show the source of my understanding that the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time and before had corrupted the scriptures.
And once again you will not be capable of grasping this truth.
Jer. 50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their resting place.
Jer. 5:
30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;
31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
Matt. 15:
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Matt. 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
John 8:
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Once again I will show the source of my understanding that the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time and before had corrupted the scriptures.
And once again you will not be capable of grasping this truth.
and I have told you over and over that the Bible was not written in English , and words have definitions, many of which you do not accept.
the reason why I do not hear you is simple- you do not use context and chronological order when handling Scripture. you think you have authority over Scripture, you do not.
you just simply pluck out verses, write in your own worthless opinions, and call it theology .
so, no, I do not recognize your theology, I think the Bible should be viewed through the start to finish. not deconstructed and reconstructed any way you choose . because that is what you and shamah do. you just make the Bible say what you want, with no regard to context or chronological order.
the reason why I do not hear you is simple- you do not use context and chronological order when handling Scripture. you think you have authority over Scripture, you do not.
you just simply pluck out verses, write in your own worthless opinions, and call it theology .
so, no, I do not recognize your theology, I think the Bible should be viewed through the start to finish. not deconstructed and reconstructed any way you choose . because that is what you and shamah do. you just make the Bible say what you want, with no regard to context or chronological order.
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Well then you don't believe my understanding of the scriptures. I'm OK with that.
But you have been accusing me of not showing you my source for my belief that the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time and before had corrupted the scriptures.
So it isn't that I haven't shown you my source, it's just that you don't believe my understanding of what is written.
I posted the scriptures which support my belief that there were priests and Prophets in Christ's time who were liars and had corrupted God's Words.
Are you now saying that I am understanding these verses incorrectly? Maybe you can show me in the verses I posted where I am wrong.
But you have been accusing me of not showing you my source for my belief that the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time and before had corrupted the scriptures.
So it isn't that I haven't shown you my source, it's just that you don't believe my understanding of what is written.
I posted the scriptures which support my belief that there were priests and Prophets in Christ's time who were liars and had corrupted God's Words.
Are you now saying that I am understanding these verses incorrectly? Maybe you can show me in the verses I posted where I am wrong.