Asking Him is the best way for sure, and I want to add His Instructions to us will never disagree with His Messiah's word.
Is Christmas paganism?
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Asking Him is the best way for sure, and I want to add His Instructions to us will never disagree with His Messiah's word.
If you are convinced that you cannot, in good conscience, observe Christmas because you believe it's origin is too steeped in paganism for you to honor God, then do not observe it. At the same time, if you are convinced that you can honor and worship God during Christmas in all good conscience, then honor and worship God during Christmas (Romans 14:5). 
For Christians, Christmas can be an important part of the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ, and it reminds us of that event that changed the world forever! Also, it brings to mind the miracle of the new birth that the Lord created in us when He came into our hearts, saved us from our sins, and made us children of God by the shedding of His blood on the cross (John 1:12; Galatians 3:26; Ephesians 1:7).
There is a tremendous opportunity for thousands of people who wouldn’t go to church any other time of the year to go on Christmas day and hear the gospel of Christ and have the opportunity to repent and believe the gospel. Praise the Lord!
For Christians, Christmas can be an important part of the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ, and it reminds us of that event that changed the world forever! Also, it brings to mind the miracle of the new birth that the Lord created in us when He came into our hearts, saved us from our sins, and made us children of God by the shedding of His blood on the cross (John 1:12; Galatians 3:26; Ephesians 1:7).
There is a tremendous opportunity for thousands of people who wouldn’t go to church any other time of the year to go on Christmas day and hear the gospel of Christ and have the opportunity to repent and believe the gospel. Praise the Lord!
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Are you now contradicting Paul's words, somethings are specifically mentioned in the gospel as sin like adultery so don't go and try to twist Paul's words and what he was teaching on the meat offering do you know the meaning of the meat offering?
I asked, I did not state.
Meat offereing? you mean meat sacrificed to idols?
Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."
John 4:24, “Yah is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in spirit and truth.”
Jeremiah 10:1-5, “Hear the word which YHWH speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what YHWH says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!”
Deuteronomy 12:29-, “When YHWH your Father cuts off the nations from in front of you, and you displace them and live in their land, Be careful not to be ensnared into following them by asking about their gods, saying: How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do the same. You must not worship YHWH your Father in their way, for every abomination to YHWH, which He hates, they have done to their gods."
John 4:19-26, “The woman said to Him, “Master, I see that You are a prophet. Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you people say that in Yerushalayim is the place where one needs to worship. יהושע said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you shall neither on this mountain, nor in Yerushalayim, worship the Father. You worship what you do not know. We worship what we know, because the deliverance is of the Yehuḏim. But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also does seek such to worship Him. YHWH is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in spirit and truth. The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming, the One who is called Anointed. When that One comes, He shall announce to us all. יהושע said to her, “I who am speaking to you am He.”
Psalm 145:18, “יהוה is near to all who call upon Him, To all who call upon Him in truth.”
John 17:17-19, “Set them apart in Your truth – Your Word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I also sent them into the world. And for them I set Myself apart, so that they too might be set apart in truth.”
Jeremiah 10:1-5, “Hear the word which YHWH speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what YHWH says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!”
Deuteronomy 12:29-, “When YHWH your Father cuts off the nations from in front of you, and you displace them and live in their land, Be careful not to be ensnared into following them by asking about their gods, saying: How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do the same. You must not worship YHWH your Father in their way, for every abomination to YHWH, which He hates, they have done to their gods."
John 4:19-26, “The woman said to Him, “Master, I see that You are a prophet. Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you people say that in Yerushalayim is the place where one needs to worship. יהושע said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you shall neither on this mountain, nor in Yerushalayim, worship the Father. You worship what you do not know. We worship what we know, because the deliverance is of the Yehuḏim. But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also does seek such to worship Him. YHWH is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in spirit and truth. The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming, the One who is called Anointed. When that One comes, He shall announce to us all. יהושע said to her, “I who am speaking to you am He.”
Psalm 145:18, “יהוה is near to all who call upon Him, To all who call upon Him in truth.”
John 17:17-19, “Set them apart in Your truth – Your Word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I also sent them into the world. And for them I set Myself apart, so that they too might be set apart in truth.”
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No Paul didn't teach Rev 2:20 Paul taught this.
1 Cor 10
23 Everything is permissible,” but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible,” but not everything is edifying. 24No one should seek his own good, but the good of others.
25Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience,26for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and the fullness thereof.”c
27If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat anything set before you without raising questions of conscience. 28But if someone tells you, “This food was offered to idols,” then do not eat it, for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience—d 29the other one’s conscience, I mean, not your own. For why should my freedom be determined by someone else’s conscience? 30If I partake in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of that for which I give thanks?
31So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all to the glory of God.32Do not become a stumbling block, whether to Jews or Greeks or the church of God, 33just as I try to please everyone in all I do. For I am not seeking my own good, but the good of many, that they may be saved.
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Hmm Revelation 2:20, really I wonder why that was used I do think you knew what I meant... indeed you got my spiritual ears listening.
Well in Acts 15 the disciples led by James made decision led by the spirit as Scripture says, that those "coming to the Messiah" were not to eat meat sacrificed to idols:
Acts 15:19-21,29 “19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles (new converts) who are turning to YHWH, 20, but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of idols, and from whoring, and from what is strangled, and from blood. 21, For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city, those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every Sabbath. 29, that you abstain from what is offered to idols, and blood, and what is strangled, and whoring. If you keep yourselves from these, you shall do well. Be strong!”
Then Messiah repeats this twice in Revelation, the final message to mankind, and not only was it the last given but it was written after all other NT books:
Revelation 2:14, "But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice sexual immorality."
Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."
It is written and the Messiah said it, I get a lot of accusations for pointin it out, Im not saying you will do this, but honestly it is the word and directly from the MEssiah...
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Celebrating Christmas isn't the same thing as the Balak and Balaam thing. Don't know anyone teaching that we should worship idols, eat Christmas dinner in the name of idols, and practice immoral sex on Christmas...
And I agree with LPT... Paul's teaching on the meat offered to idols applies here, Just Saying...
And I agree with LPT... Paul's teaching on the meat offered to idols applies here, Just Saying...
I donlt think it was in reference to Christmas directly, at least I didn't take it that way, it was in reference to "all things are lawful" and "if one thinks it is wrong it is wrong"
So I have a question what do you take Acts 15:19-21,29 “19, Revelation 2:14, ", Revelation 2:20, to mean?
But it is man made religious tradition. And the Messiah was pretty clear about man made religious traditions. So does the fact that "many" people observe it for centuries have any bearing on the truth regarding it?
How many centuries were the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time teaching for Doctrines the Commandments of men? Did He excuse them because they had been doing it so long? Or because it was so ingrained into their religion they couldn't live without them?
How is it loving the Christ to reject His feast's the He created and replace them by placing His Name on Pagan High Days. I see no evidence in the Bible that this is the Will of God. Actually just the opposite.
Can anyone actually post scripture where placing the Christ's Name on a Pagan High Day would be accepted by Him under any circumstance?
I would be interested to see the Biblical support for such a Practice.
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O I see so that was it, still reeling over that huh. apparently you got offended by that. I apologize if I offended you Shamah, what I know doesn't mean you will know so I'm not going into it.
I think, those scriptures are talking about people who are actually doing things unto/worshipping idols.
If people are not worshipping idols on Christmas and do not feel it wrong to celebrate Christmas because they are worshipping God and not idols then it is not a sin. But if you feel it is a sin and can't do it with a clear conscious to God and not idols...then don't do it because it is a sin to you....
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No problem I'm not going to come into your house place a tree setup a tyco train set and put in the DVD frosty the snowman.
Well you never apologized but you did imply the santa thing did not come from a place of mockery, honestly I took you at your word, however when you said this, it made me think that maybe you did mean that in a bad way as this seemed to have some heat behind it. IDK, I do not know you so I canlt say, Yah knows both of us and I know none are perfect.
WIth that said I would very much like for you to expound on this and your last comment, I have taken time to explain myself and my views, with honesty even at risk of accusation, I ask you do the same, if you don't feel comfprtable we can speak in the private messaging here on CC.com...
Thank you for the answer, but I actually meant the "meat sacrificed to idols" thing, the Christmas thing I will say, I respect your view, I do disagree because the Most High says not to worship Him in pagan ways. This is my view.