Sabbath

[posthuman]

I think YHWH ca neasily calculate the moon and the Sabbaths with or without the moon cycles.

pretty sure He can remember something & keep it holy without any ceremony, too.

He it is, that remembers man.
that's what the man crucified next to our Lord asked of Him.
He it is, that makes holy.
that's what the sabbath was meant to teach Israel, and that's what our Lord did for that man who asked to be remembered.

 

[Studyman]

pretty sure He can remember something & keep it holy without any ceremony, too.

He it is, that remembers man.
that's what the man crucified next to our Lord asked of Him.
He it is, that makes holy.
that's what the sabbath was meant to teach Israel, and that's what our Lord did for that man who asked to be remembered.

Matt. 7:
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

He Himself said He doesn't "Know" all men, even though "MANY" will honor Him with their lips. So because the Christ is no respecter of persons, we know the man on the cross did more than pay the Christ lip service.

The Holy, Sanctified, set apart Sabbath of the Most High was created to teach a man many things. But a person who refuses to set it apart from the other days He created, as Commanded, or that adds to it as did the Pharisees, this person will never learn the lessons as the examples of the Pharisee clearly show.

If we could, then the Word which became Flesh would not have written the following for "Our Admonition".

Is. 58:
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

No ceremony requested. Just a plea for mankind to Honor their Creator and take HIS Yoke upon them. To learn from Him, to rely on Him, not their own human mind as Eve was convinced to do.

 

[posthuman]

And He died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for Him who died for them and was raised again. ​

(2 Corinthians 5:15)​

does this verse say 14.29% of the time . . ?
or does it imply, every day, 100%, live this way?

 

[posthuman]

Word which became Flesh

this is Who was nailed to the cross

.. blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross ..
(Colossians 2:14) ​

it is not, 'the commandments and traditions of pharisees and scribes which became flesh'
it is, 'the Word'

and He rose again the 3rd day

From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard Him thus no longer.
(2 Corinthians 5:16)​

 

[Studyman]

And He died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for Him who died for them and was raised again. ​

(2 Corinthians 5:15)​

does this verse say 14.29% of the time . . ?
or does it imply, every day, 100%, live this way?

Absolutely. That is what Is. 58 is all about. Honoring Him, the Lord of the Sabbath.

 

[posthuman]

Absolutely. That is what Is. 58 is all about. Honoring Him, the Lord of the Sabbath.

100% of days, not 14.2857% of them.

case closed, IMO. "no longer i who live"

 

[Studyman]

this is Who was nailed to the cross

.. blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross ..​

(Colossians 2:14) ​

it is not, 'the commandments and traditions of pharisees and scribes which became flesh'
it is, 'the Word'

and He rose again the 3rd day

From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard Him thus no longer. ​

(2 Corinthians 5:16)​

We have been over this before. I don't believe God's Word is against us or contrary to us. I don't believe God's Words are "Rudiments of the World", Vain deceit, or "tradition of man".

Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

I do believe that the only God of Abraham preaching people on the planet had corrupted God's Word.

Matt. 15:
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men

And that they had led people astray for centuries.

Jer. 50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

And that the Messiah came to make these things right.

Matt. 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

It wasn't the Laws of God that burdened the people.

Matt. 23:4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross ..

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

He didn't make a fool of God openly by blotting out His Commandments. He didn't triumph over God by blotting out His Word's and His instructions.

He made a show of the Mainstream Preachers of His time who had lead people astray by their "Commandments of Men".

But if a person is convinced, as was Eve, that it is God's Word's that are against mankind, and not the serpent's, then that person might think the Messiah blotted out the Word of God.

 

[Studyman]

100% of days, not 14.2857% of them.

case closed, IMO. "no longer i who live"

I don't think God implied that by following His Commandment we are only honoring Him 14.285% of the time. But by rejecting His Commandment we are somehow honoring Him 100% of the time. At least the God of the Bible didn't. But that religious teaching has been around for a long time.

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (Transgress the Commandment) then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

The religious teaching that we somehow Honor God by rejecting His instructions has been around a long time. But I believe it is just as evil now as it was when the serpent first introduced it into religion.

 

[Dan_473]

Yes he does say with Israyl, and from Exodus to the NT it says Gentiles that keep the Passover (Yahshua) are a part of Israyl...(Numbers 15:15-16, Exodus 12:47-49)

Hebrews, the passage I qouted earlier makes it clear that Jeremiah is indeed talking about the Covenant ratified in the blood of Messiah...

Psalm 89 and 105 make it clear exactly wha this covenant is, the issue is mainline doctrine is so far from what all these Scriptures say most will ignore what is clearly written to hold on to traditional thinking. Honeslty, I did for years, it was hard to accpet PS 89 and 105 after being told different for many years. Thing is the human mind, thinks the meaning of PS 89 and 105 somehow downgrade the Messsiah, however when really understood, IMO make Him and His works that much more special and the long term of YHWH that much more impressive...

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

Jeremiah 31:33, “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Yisra’yl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people.”

The Covenant stands fast with the Messiah:

Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”

Psalms 132:11-12,11 יהוה has sworn in truth to Dawiḏ; He does not turn from it, “Of the fruit of your body I set upon your throne."12 “If your sons guard My covenant And My witnesses that I teach them, Their sons shall sit upon your throne forever.”"

"I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever"

Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of YHWH and of His Messiah; and He will reign forever and ever."

Hebrews 1:8-14,8 But to the Son He says, “Your throne, O Elohim, is forever and ever, a sceptre of straightness is the sceptre of Your reign."9 “You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. Because of this, Elohim, Your Elohim, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” Psa 45:6-7."10 And, “You, Master, did found the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of Your hands."11 “They shall perish, but You remain. And they shall all grow old like a garment,"12 and like a mantle You shall fold them up, and they shall be changed. But You are the same, and Your years shall not fail.” Psa 102:25-27."13 And to which of the messengers did He ever say, “Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”? Psa 110:1."14 Are they not all serving spirits sent out to attend those who are about to inherit deliverance?"

actually looking at it again I see that it says the Covenant is with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. I think that's interesting, I can't think of a place where New Testament believers are included in that kind of phrasing, the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

 

[Dan_473]

Yes he does say with Israyl, and from Exodus to the NT it says Gentiles that keep the Passover (Yahshua) are a part of Israyl...(Numbers 15:15-16, Exodus 12:47-49)

Hebrews, the passage I qouted earlier makes it clear that Jeremiah is indeed talking about the Covenant ratified in the blood of Messiah...

Psalm 89 and 105 make it clear exactly wha this covenant is, the issue is mainline doctrine is so far from what all these Scriptures say most will ignore what is clearly written to hold on to traditional thinking. Honeslty, I did for years, it was hard to accpet PS 89 and 105 after being told different for many years. Thing is the human mind, thinks the meaning of PS 89 and 105 somehow downgrade the Messsiah, however when really understood, IMO make Him and His works that much more special and the long term of YHWH that much more impressive...

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

Jeremiah 31:33, “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Yisra’yl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people.”

The Covenant stands fast with the Messiah:

Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”

Psalms 132:11-12,11 יהוה has sworn in truth to Dawiḏ; He does not turn from it, “Of the fruit of your body I set upon your throne."12 “If your sons guard My covenant And My witnesses that I teach them, Their sons shall sit upon your throne forever.”"

"I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever"

Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of YHWH and of His Messiah; and He will reign forever and ever."

Hebrews 1:8-14,8 But to the Son He says, “Your throne, O Elohim, is forever and ever, a sceptre of straightness is the sceptre of Your reign."9 “You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. Because of this, Elohim, Your Elohim, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” Psa 45:6-7."10 And, “You, Master, did found the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of Your hands."11 “They shall perish, but You remain. And they shall all grow old like a garment,"12 and like a mantle You shall fold them up, and they shall be changed. But You are the same, and Your years shall not fail.” Psa 102:25-27."13 And to which of the messengers did He ever say, “Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”? Psa 110:1."14 Are they not all serving spirits sent out to attend those who are about to inherit deliverance?"

What do you mean by "Gentiles that keep the Passover (Yahshua) "? How does one Keep Jesus in the sense that one keeps the Passover? Are you saying that Jesus is identical with the Passover? That everything true about the Passover is true about Jesus and vice versa?

 

[posthuman]

We have been over this before. I don't believe God's Word is against us or contrary to us.

your position implies you believe it is the traditions of men which became flesh and was nailed to a cross.

​

Once you were alienated from God and were hostile in your minds because of your evil deeds. But now He has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy, unblemished, and blameless in His presence — if indeed you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope of the gospel you heard
(Colossians 1:21-23)​

the Word of God is against those who are hostile to Him and alienated from Him.
that's us, before being transformed by Him through faith in His work.
we have peace with God because the Word became flesh and was crucified. that very work.
not because some completely non-binding and totally human-originated traditions were made flesh and nailed to a cross.

 

[garee]

What do you mean by "Gentiles that keep the Passover (Yahshua) "? How does one Keep Jesus in the sense that one keeps the Passover? Are you saying that Jesus is identical with the Passover? That everything true about the Passover is true about Jesus and vice versa?

I would suggest the ceremonies in respect to ceremonial laws using the temporal things seen are used as a shadow to represent to true. Ceremonial laws as shadows were used to preach the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand .

Many today take away the understanding by saying the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ was not dwelling in men before Pentecost taking away the understanding found in 1 Peter 1:11

Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow1 Peter 1:11
The Old testament saints looked ahead according to the ceremonial law . The glory has come . The old testament saints who were promised entered the promised land the new heavenly Jerusalem prepared as the bride.

We are not to judge one another in respect to shadows we walk by faith the unseen eternal .

Colossians 2:16-18 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

The reformation has come .Something many from my experience overlook. Many will acknowledge the fifteenth but not the first century reformation

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Hebrew 9:8

The Holy Spirit signifying, using the things seen the temporal as a shadow of the things not seen, the eternal

Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Hebrew 9:9

Or which was a parable same Greek word as figure for the temporal time period.

Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them "until" the time of reformation"Hebrew 9:10

Again the reformation has come over two thousands years ago .The kingdom of God is restored to another time period . We walk by faith the unseen eternal. And not after the temporal shadows.

 

[Dan_473]

Yes he does say with Israyl, and from Exodus to the NT it says Gentiles that keep the Passover (Yahshua) are a part of Israyl...(Numbers 15:15-16, Exodus 12:47-49)

Hebrews, the passage I qouted earlier makes it clear that Jeremiah is indeed talking about the Covenant ratified in the blood of Messiah...

Psalm 89 and 105 make it clear exactly wha this covenant is, the issue is mainline doctrine is so far from what all these Scriptures say most will ignore what is clearly written to hold on to traditional thinking. Honeslty, I did for years, it was hard to accpet PS 89 and 105 after being told different for many years. Thing is the human mind, thinks the meaning of PS 89 and 105 somehow downgrade the Messsiah, however when really understood, IMO make Him and His works that much more special and the long term of YHWH that much more impressive...

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

Jeremiah 31:33, “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Yisra’yl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people.”

The Covenant stands fast with the Messiah:

Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”

Psalms 132:11-12,11 יהוה has sworn in truth to Dawiḏ; He does not turn from it, “Of the fruit of your body I set upon your throne."12 “If your sons guard My covenant And My witnesses that I teach them, Their sons shall sit upon your throne forever.”"

"I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever"

Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of YHWH and of His Messiah; and He will reign forever and ever."

Hebrews 1:8-14,8 But to the Son He says, “Your throne, O Elohim, is forever and ever, a sceptre of straightness is the sceptre of Your reign."9 “You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. Because of this, Elohim, Your Elohim, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” Psa 45:6-7."10 And, “You, Master, did found the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of Your hands."11 “They shall perish, but You remain. And they shall all grow old like a garment,"12 and like a mantle You shall fold them up, and they shall be changed. But You are the same, and Your years shall not fail.” Psa 102:25-27."13 And to which of the messengers did He ever say, “Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”? Psa 110:1."14 Are they not all serving spirits sent out to attend those who are about to inherit deliverance?"

Paul speaks about the covenants of promise, and Covenants is plural there. So which covenants would those be, the covenants of promise? Is there more than one Covenant of promise sealed with Christ blood? I don't know, I'm finding this interesting to explore!

 

[Dan_473]

Yes he does say with Israyl, and from Exodus to the NT it says Gentiles that keep the Passover (Yahshua) are a part of Israyl...(Numbers 15:15-16, Exodus 12:47-49)

Hebrews, the passage I qouted earlier makes it clear that Jeremiah is indeed talking about the Covenant ratified in the blood of Messiah...

Psalm 89 and 105 make it clear exactly wha this covenant is, the issue is mainline doctrine is so far from what all these Scriptures say most will ignore what is clearly written to hold on to traditional thinking. Honeslty, I did for years, it was hard to accpet PS 89 and 105 after being told different for many years. Thing is the human mind, thinks the meaning of PS 89 and 105 somehow downgrade the Messsiah, however when really understood, IMO make Him and His works that much more special and the long term of YHWH that much more impressive...

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

Jeremiah 31:33, “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Yisra’yl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people.”

The Covenant stands fast with the Messiah:

Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”

Psalms 132:11-12,11 יהוה has sworn in truth to Dawiḏ; He does not turn from it, “Of the fruit of your body I set upon your throne."12 “If your sons guard My covenant And My witnesses that I teach them, Their sons shall sit upon your throne forever.”"

"I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever"

Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of YHWH and of His Messiah; and He will reign forever and ever."

Hebrews 1:8-14,8 But to the Son He says, “Your throne, O Elohim, is forever and ever, a sceptre of straightness is the sceptre of Your reign."9 “You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. Because of this, Elohim, Your Elohim, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” Psa 45:6-7."10 And, “You, Master, did found the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of Your hands."11 “They shall perish, but You remain. And they shall all grow old like a garment,"12 and like a mantle You shall fold them up, and they shall be changed. But You are the same, and Your years shall not fail.” Psa 102:25-27."13 And to which of the messengers did He ever say, “Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”? Psa 110:1."14 Are they not all serving spirits sent out to attend those who are about to inherit deliverance?"

Psalm 89 and 105 do talk about Covenants. Which Covenant or covenants are they talking about? Is it the Covenant that God made with Israel on the day they came out of Egypt?

 

[Dan_473]

Yes he does say with Israyl, and from Exodus to the NT it says Gentiles that keep the Passover (Yahshua) are a part of Israyl...(Numbers 15:15-16, Exodus 12:47-49)

Hebrews, the passage I qouted earlier makes it clear that Jeremiah is indeed talking about the Covenant ratified in the blood of Messiah...

Psalm 89 and 105 make it clear exactly wha this covenant is, the issue is mainline doctrine is so far from what all these Scriptures say most will ignore what is clearly written to hold on to traditional thinking. Honeslty, I did for years, it was hard to accpet PS 89 and 105 after being told different for many years. Thing is the human mind, thinks the meaning of PS 89 and 105 somehow downgrade the Messsiah, however when really understood, IMO make Him and His works that much more special and the long term of YHWH that much more impressive...

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

Jeremiah 31:33, “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Yisra’yl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people.”

The Covenant stands fast with the Messiah:

Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”

Psalms 132:11-12,11 יהוה has sworn in truth to Dawiḏ; He does not turn from it, “Of the fruit of your body I set upon your throne."12 “If your sons guard My covenant And My witnesses that I teach them, Their sons shall sit upon your throne forever.”"

"I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever"

Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of YHWH and of His Messiah; and He will reign forever and ever."

Hebrews 1:8-14,8 But to the Son He says, “Your throne, O Elohim, is forever and ever, a sceptre of straightness is the sceptre of Your reign."9 “You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. Because of this, Elohim, Your Elohim, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” Psa 45:6-7."10 And, “You, Master, did found the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of Your hands."11 “They shall perish, but You remain. And they shall all grow old like a garment,"12 and like a mantle You shall fold them up, and they shall be changed. But You are the same, and Your years shall not fail.” Psa 102:25-27."13 And to which of the messengers did He ever say, “Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”? Psa 110:1."14 Are they not all serving spirits sent out to attend those who are about to inherit deliverance?"

Is the Israel that is talked about in Psalm 105 verse 10 the nation or the person? From the context it sounds like the person because it also talks about Abraham and Isaac as people. Jeremiah 31 talks about the house of Israel and the house of Judah, sounding like the nation.

 

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In Isa 56 it says "I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off."

Daniel 7:25, “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and think to change appointed times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.”

Also the Sabbath is kept in the Kingdom forever:

Isaiah 66:22, “For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make stand before Me,” declares יהוה, “so your seed and your name shall stand."Isaiah 66:23, “And it shall be that from New moon to New moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,” declares יהוה. Footnote: bPossible meaning: Every week on the Sabbath."Isaiah 66:24, “And they shall go forth and look upon the corpses of the men who have transgressed against Me. For their worm shall not die, and their fire not be quenched. And they shall be repulsive to all flesh!”

Also Yahshua said "till heaven and earth pass nothing will pass from the Law" and "Lawful do right on Sabbath"

and the strangers... we were before we knew Yahshua, just as they were before they knew Him... The ceased to be strangers when they kept Passover... because as a native of the land...

I'm not sure what you're getting at here in this post.

I do know that Jesus says until Heaven and Earth pass away, and then till all is fulfilled, and he says he came to fulfill the law and the prophets. Now did he succeed in fulfilling the law and the prophets in his coming? Or did he mean he came to make a start at fulfilling the law and the prophets and he'll finish it up later?

Note to that it's law and Prophets, not prophecies.

 

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but Yahshia said the priest were blameless not the broke the Law but it wa OK. YHWH Commanded them to do His will... True we dont know the intent of the stick guy, but stand firm in saying it was not doing Yah;s will nor was he helping others, look at the passage:33And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation. 34They put him in custody, because it had not been made clear what should be done to him. 35And the Lord said to Moses, “The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” I trust the Most High knew his heart and exactly what was going on. Finally true we do not obtain salvation through our own deeds, only by His power and mercy, yet this is not reason or instruction to abolish His Commands or ignore them in any manner. Mercy does not command a ceasing of living the right way.

I think the priests in the temple did break the law on the Sabbath, by doing their Priestly duties.
Matthew 12: 5. Or is it not said in the law, how the Sabbath is broken by the priests in the Temple and they do no wrong?

 

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but Yahshia said the priest were blameless not the broke the Law but it wa OK. YHWH Commanded them to do His will... True we dont know the intent of the stick guy, but stand firm in saying it was not doing Yah;s will nor was he helping others, look at the passage:33And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation. 34They put him in custody, because it had not been made clear what should be done to him. 35And the Lord said to Moses, “The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” I trust the Most High knew his heart and exactly what was going on. Finally true we do not obtain salvation through our own deeds, only by His power and mercy, yet this is not reason or instruction to abolish His Commands or ignore them in any manner. Mercy does not command a ceasing of living the right way.

So, I think we agree then that the Sabbath and I would think that any commandment can be broken if it helps someone else. I believe your question was would there ever be a time when it would be necessary to break a commandment in order to love your neighbor, or something along those lines.

And yes! Do not abolish the law, establish it! And establish it by going about it and keeping it the way Jesus instructed through his apostles!

 

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We are working from two different Bible versions. Unfortunately, my link to the Psalms URL overlapped with the Jewish Encyclopedia link.
I used the Complete Jewish Bible version so as to arrive as closely as possible to the original Hebrew text of the OT.
This link should work. https://www.biblestudytools.com/cjb/psalms/110.html


https://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?s=references&q=Adonai

I see what you're saying. Well, one would think that the complete Jewish Bible would be the closest to the Hebrew, but the problem is that Jewish people today don't say the Divine name, I believe. I think the Mesa retic text has the Divine name doing the speaking.

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/psalms/110-1.htm

 

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John 4:
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Rom. 11:
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. (Are these not the examples of Faith)
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, (Gentile) wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Rom. 2:
28 For he is not a Jew,(Israelite) which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew,(Israelite) which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Is. 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

Passover is also part of this "Covenant". I don't believe a man can bypass Passover, and go into Heaven another way. I think we must "Deny our self" and take Hold of His Covenant with Israel. So then we too, can be grafted in AMONG THEM, and become like them inwardly. Not like those who rejected His Word because of unbelief and were broken off, but those who continued in the Goodness of God and HIS Love. Chapter 11 of Hebrews speaks of the Faithful "branches".

Paul explains.

Rom. 11:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

I don't believe there is another way into the Kingdom.

Zech. 8:23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

"I don't believe a man can bypass Passover, and go into Heaven another way."

Do you believe then that it is necessary to keep the Passover physically in order to be saved?