I take the word of God the way it is. If Jesus said we need to become like little children to enter Gods kingdom so be it. Why say that's not what He meant? I take it like that, then ask, "how are little children like?" Beat a little child now and the next minute he's running to you. Send her or him they will go while crying. They enter the neighbors house and go straight to the room. To them every body is same. They don't bear grudge, they are happy, full of joy, and so innocent in the way they act... That's what I get from what Jesus says here. So does the kingdom of God belong to such, including the little children themselves.
Are children born saved?
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I take the word of God the way it is. If Jesus said we need to become like little children to enter Gods kingdom so be it. Why say that's not what He meant? I take it like that, then ask, "how are little children like?" Beat a little child now and the next minute he's running to you. Send her or him they will go while crying. They enter the neighbors house and go straight to the room. To them every body is same. They don't bear grudge, they are happy, full of joy, and so innocent in the way they act... That's what I get from what Jesus says here. So does the kingdom of God belong to such, including the little children themselves.
Faith is a fruit of the Spirit. You can not have faith until you have the Spirit. Just like....you can not have an apple unless you first have an apple tree. The only way that the natural man described in 1 Cor 2:14 can have faith is explained in Eph 2, especially in verse 5, God regenerates him when he is yet "dead in sins" and does not have the ability to choose to be regenerated. After regeneration he has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and access to the Spirit's fruit (Gal 5:22) and one of the Spirit's fruit is "faith". You do understand that the "ME'S' in Psalms 51:10 is David who is the apple of God's eye. The whole book of Psalms is filled with David's prayers. That does not harmonize with the natural man described in 1 Cor 2:14. Keep studying and you will probably get it.
That is the same thing they said in John 6:59-60 - These things said he (Jesus) in the synagogue, as he (Jesus) taught in Capernaum. Many of his diciples, when they heard this, said, this is an hard saying, who can hear it?
Take a good look at 1 Cor 2:14 and tell me what you understand about it. I will be waiting for your explanation.
Precious post! I love it.
I think some in the faith around the world have a need to think everyone is damned and Hell's mouth awaits.
Children are not born sinners. They're not Hell bound should they die. What a horrible thing to insist as true when the scripture of Christ says no such thing. And further, we don't know if there are parents who suffered a miscarriage or a SIDS death in their family. Insisting a baby goes to Hell because they are a born sinner is as mean as it is untrue.
Jesus's doctrine has always seemed to be a strange doctrine to most of the population and still is today. Mark 1:27 - And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among themselves, saying, What thing is this? What new doctrine is this? There are many children of God, but very few that understands Jesus's doctrine. The main factor in understanding the doctrine is to deny yourself (your dependence upon your intelligence) and take up your cross and follow him (Mark 8:34). John 7:18 - He that speaketh of himself (you must accept) seeketh his own glory, but he (Jesus) that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true and no unrighteousness is in him. Any scripture that uses the words, accept, confess, believe, come, repent etc. are all scriptures pertaining to the disobedient child of God and not the natural man described in 1 Cor 2:14. The natural man will not do any of those commandments because they are from a spiritual God and are spiritual commandments which the natural man thinks is foolishness.
All children are born under condemnation because they are the progeny of fallen Adam & Eve, have inherited Adam's original sin and have a sin nature. (This condemnation is actually a blessing because it means we are canidates for salvation.) But children who die before reaching the age of accountability are automatically saved because they never matured to the point of being able to choose for or against Christ. God's grace applies to them because Christ died for the sins of all mankind which includes of course Adam's original sin.
this is an old ploy to try and trip up Christians. the question is not Biblical. it is asked without taking into Gods righteous judgment. The Biblical narrative on children and the context to those considered as such Jesus is the authority on the topic.
Matthew 18:2-10
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Matthew 19:13-15
the outlook on children by those who are mature Christian is to raise them knowing the Lord. You Let God take care of the Children and please know HE will take care of you if do not take care of them. Hopefully, us parents and teachers and pastors are listening to what Jesus said here.
How do u measure if someone is canal or spiritual?what makes u believe that saying become like little Kids to enter heaven is being canal? What's the Bible verse that says so?
I am not "insisting a baby goes to Hell because they are a born sinner". I am saying that all babies who die young are going to heaven. Nevertheless, they are all born sinners because of the sin of Adam, but they are regenerated the same as their elect adults before they die, yes sometimes even before their natural birth, as did John the baptist. (Luke 1:41). The wicked (non-elect) do not die in their youth, but live to be old (Job 21:7) Wherefore do the wicked live, become old, yea, are mighty in power? 8- Their seed is established in their sight with them, and their offspring before their eyes. 9 - Their houses are safe from fear, NEITHER IS THE ROD (GOD'S CHASTENING) OF GOD UPON THEM, which means that God does not love them, because God chastens those that he loves ( Heb 12:6 )-- For whom the Lord loveth he shasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth ), also in Psalms 73:5 - They ( the wicked ) are not PLAGUED = (divinely punished ) as other men. God had Christ to die as a sacrifice only to those that he loves.
Eternal salvation is by God's sovereign grace, and not of man's works. If there is any requirements for a person to do, to make themselves a candidate for God to choose them for eternal life, it is by their works, or efforts of man. as "becoming as little children". The main thing that causes most people to misunderstand the scriptures is that Strong's Greek definition of the words, salvation, saved, save, is "a deliverance". We are delivered eternally and we are delivered many times as we live here on earth. For example; When we sin against God, and we repent, and ask him to forgive us, and if he forgives us, we have been delivered (saved) from the destruction of that sin. There are far more scriptures using the words, salvation, saved, save, pertaining to deliverance while we are living here on earth, than there are that pertain to our eternal salvation ( deliverance ).
We cannot tell who the non-elect or elect are for sure. The scriptures say that we shall know them by their fruits, but David was chastened by God for numbering Israel, which is representative of God's elect, because God changed Jacob's name from Jacob to Israel, Gen 32:28 - And he ( God ) said, thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel, for as a price hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. David was given a choice out of three from God what his punishment would be ( 2 Sam 24:12-15 )
I agree that most little children are humble. Even being humble does not apply as a condition to cause eternal salvation ( deliverance ) according to Eph 2:5 explaining the condition of the natural man ( 1 Cor 2:14 ) when God regenerates him, that he is yet "dead in sins" and has no ability to discern spiritual things. Can you not see, that this gives God all of the credit for our eternal deliverance, and not man?
We become humble after God regenerates us and allows the Holy Spirit within us to began revealing truths to us, (Isa 28:10-11 )- Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little.
For some unknown reason to me, God has presented the gospel of Christ as a mystery to avoid some people from understanding it. I do believe that God will not allow the Holy Spirit to reveal that mystery to a person until the person rejects the notion that they can figure it out by their own intelligence. I had that mindset when I was 50 years old because, at that time, the scriptures, seemingly, contradicted each other, especially the salvation scriptures; such as, You are saved by grace, and that not of yourselves, compared to save yourselves from this untoward generation. I gave up that mindset, after 12 years of being stubborn, and not too long after that the Holy Spirit revealed the difference in the deliverance. Looking back, if he had revealed it sooner, I would have said "I knew I was smart enough to figure it out". I believe there are a lot of people on this forum that are depending upon themselves for their eternal deliverance, by taking credit for their eternal deliverance by thinking that their acceptance of God is the cause of their eternal deliverance.
You may be saying pertinent things, however at times u sound out of context and act as if u were opposing what one said whereas at the end u come to agree that which u sounded against. That's why I said your post was confusing.
One does not do anything to be regenerated, that is why eternal deliverance is strictly by God's sovereign grace and not by the works of people. This is explained in Eph 2:5 when we are, but natural people (1 Cor 2:14), void of the Spirit, dead in sins and without the ability to discern spiritual things. The step by step in understanding Jesus's doctrine is; Step 1, (Psalms 53:2-3)- (by God's foreknowledge, contrary to what most people think, that he choose those he knew would accept him) God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did seek God. Every one of them is gone back; they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. This is why in step 2, (Eph 1:4) - God choose an elect people before the foundation of the world to adopt as his children. God's adoption is like our adoptions, in that, God choose his children, not his children choosing him, Step 3, - Christ paid the legal fees by his sacrifice on the cross for those that God elected and gave to him, John 6:39. Step 4 - The final phase to the adoption is when Christ comes back (Matt 24:31) - And he shall send his angels, with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect, from the four winds, from on end of heaven to the other. I think that this is beautiful in the fact that our eternal deliverance is sure and without the slightest doubt of fear that we will live in heaven with Jesus. The person that is depending upon his ability to get to heaven by his own actions, although he is one of the elect, surly must have a little fear that his actions are not good enough. Jesus's doctrine is a much more comforting doctrine than all of the false doctrines out there.
I can understand that Jesus's doctrine is confusing, because that is it's design. and I can not explain why God intended it to be a mystery to most people, unless he wants people to depend strictly upon him instead of upon their own intelligence.