For those why deny the Deity of Jesus Christ.

[bluto]

Since some of you deny the Deity of Jesus Christ which also means He did not preexist His incarnation as a man I have a question? Why is Jesus Christ who is the one and only begotten Son of God identified or presented as the Agent of creation at John 1:-3, Colossians 1:16-17, Hebrews 1:10 and at Revelation 3:14 by the Apostles and by His own Father? Please read the verses before you answer.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[JaumeJ]

God bless you and thank you.......Yes, our Savior's Diety is so........Jesus is God, amen. If my witness will not convince others, perhaps the words given to Isaiah two write will.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and Wonderful, his name shall be called Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
I believe the bold text includes Christ's titles of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, do you not also?

 

[Lillywolf]

Denying the divinity of the Christ should be incomprehensible for any Christian. Good posting.

 

[Hevosmies]

This is true. If you believe Jesus was just a man, you are commonly seen as outside of the christian faith, much like the mormons and Jehovah's witnesses.

 

[Locutus]

Lot's of those denyity types infesting the faith

 

[jb]

The flip side of this coin is that He was also truly human, He partook of the same flesh as the rest of humanity! Luke 3v23-38, John 1v14, Rom 8v3, Phil 2v7,8, Heb 2v10-18, 4v15.

The Docetic and Cerinthian Gnostics denied His true humanity. 1John 4v1-6 (KJV).

 

[jameen]

Those who deny Jesus' divinity will suffer this consequence:

John 8:24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

No wonder why Jesus' enemies were killers, law breakers and self righteous people who think that God favors them.

 

[bluto]

Since some of you deny the Deity of Jesus Christ which also means He did not preexist His incarnation as a man I have a question? Why is Jesus Christ who is the one and only begotten Son of God identified or presented as the Agent of creation at John 1:-3, Colossians 1:16-17, Hebrews 1:10 and at Revelation 3:14 by the Apostles and by His own Father? Please read the verses before you answer.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I'm at a loss for words that there is not one person on these forums who denies the deity of Jesus Christ will not address the question I ask in this thread?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Magenta]

I'm at a loss for words that there is not one person on these forums who denies the deity of Jesus Christ will not address the question I ask in this thread?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Perhaps they see responding in a thread that calls them out as putting a target on themselves...

 

[DianaO]

Since some of you deny the Deity of Jesus Christ which also means He did not preexist His incarnation as a man I have a question? Why is Jesus Christ who is the one and only begotten Son of God identified or presented as the Agent of creation at John 1:-3, Colossians 1:16-17, Hebrews 1:10 and at Revelation 3:14 by the Apostles and by His own Father? Please read the verses before you answer.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

What denomination teaches that? Denying the Deity of the Christ?

 

[DianaO]

This is true. If you believe Jesus was just a man, you are commonly seen as outside of the christian faith, much like the mormons and Jehovah's witnesses.

More like seen as someone who isn't that familiar with the bible. John 20:28
Lots more verses where that one came from.

 

[bluto]

What denomination teaches that? Denying the Deity of the Christ?

I'm not talking about denominations that deny the deity of Jesus Christ per-se, I'm talking about individual people that are on Christian forums that deny His deity. I already know the Jw's, Unitarians, Christadelphians, mind science groups and other groups deny His deity.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Endoscopy]

God bless you and thank you.......Yes, our Savior's Diety is so........Jesus is God, amen. If my witness will not convince others, perhaps the words given to Isaiah two write will.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and Wonderful, his name shall be called Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
I believe the bold text includes Christ's titles of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, do you not also?

In more than one place Jesus says I and the Father are one. Also the first chapter of John states:

John 1 New International Version (NIV)
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 

[MattforJesus]

Since some of you deny the Deity of Jesus Christ which also means He did not preexist His incarnation as a man I have a question? Why is Jesus Christ who is the one and only begotten Son of God identified or presented as the Agent of creation at John 1:-3, Colossians 1:16-17, Hebrews 1:10 and at Revelation 3:14 by the Apostles and by His own Father? Please read the verses before you answer.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

The heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God for He is an omnipresent Spirit.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, which the child Christ Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, for He is the only human to be conceived by the Spirit, and the man Christ Jesus the personal human body of God, which God laid down His life for us, and purchased the Church with His own blood.

God manifest in the flesh means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus, for He has the Spirit without measure, and it pleased the Father that in Him all fulness should dwell, and He is the fulness of the Godhead in a bodily manifestation, and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God, for God cannot be separated.

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Jesus is the invisible God, who only has immortality, and dwells in the light which no person can approach unto, and no person has seen Jesus, and no person will ever see Jesus, but He showed the Jews a visible manifestation, and will show the saints of visible manifestation when they are with Him.

 

[Endoscopy]

Those refuting the diety of Jesus ignore the scripture. I posted just above sections of John 1. In addition here is a web site talking about Jesus saying "I and the Father are one."

I and the Father are one
https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/i-and-the-father-are-one

 

[Endoscopy]

Addendum
Stupid 5 minute rule prevented me from getting the following and adding it to my post.

Notice the reference to the trinity in the Great Commission.

Matthew 28 NIV
The Great Commission
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

AMPC

The Great Commission
16 Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated. 17 And when they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted [that it was really He]. 18 Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority (all power of absolute rule) in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations [help the people to learn of Me, believe in Me, and obey My words], baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe everything that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always [remaining with you perpetually—regardless of circumstance, and on every occasion], even to the end of the age.”

 

[Magenta]

What denomination teaches that? Denying the Deity of the Christ?

Jehovah's Witness, Christadelphians, Mormons (Church of Latter Day Saints), Unitarians, and Christian Scientists, among others, deny the Deity of Christ while calling themselves Christian

 

[posthuman]

we probably all have views of things in the scriptures that ultimately imply He is not God, if we thought them all the way through, even though we believe He is.

for example how we comprehend His quoting the Psalm, 'Eloi Eloi lama sabachthani' - - how can we think He is the one being forsaken if we believe He is God? how can we picture Him as hopeless and powerless and scared at that moment, and still think simultaneously He is the Almighty? but we do.

we're not so smart, us humans.

 

[Studyman]

we probably all have views of things in the scriptures that ultimately imply He is not God, if we thought them all the way through, even though we believe He is.

for example how we comprehend His quoting the Psalm, 'Eloi Eloi lama sabachthani' - - how can we think He is the one being forsaken if we believe He is God? how can we picture Him as hopeless and powerless and scared at that moment, and still think simultaneously He is the Almighty? but we do.

we're not so smart, us humans.

we probably all have views of things in the scriptures that ultimately imply He is not God, if we thought them all the way through, even though we believe He is.

for example how we comprehend His quoting the Psalm, 'Eloi Eloi lama sabachthani' - - how can we think He is the one being forsaken if we believe He is God? how can we picture Him as hopeless and powerless and scared at that moment, and still think simultaneously He is the Almighty? but we do.

we're not so smart, us humans.

There are certainly two different schools of thought on that one. The Majority view is that the Messiah wasn't really human in all ways like us. That when the going got tough as it does with all humans, He just kicked in some super powers no ne else has. This is the thought process of those who preach God created instructions impossible for humans to follow. That the Word which became Flesh basically cheated by accessing powers no one else has, and that is how He lived without sin.

The other view, the minority view, is that He was a human just like us. That He sacrificed his Human mind totally to God and His instruction, and that commitment, with the help God gave to Abraham and Zechariahs and all His people, is how He withstood the constant pressure from satan.

For me, this is why I think He gets so much honor and Glory from His Father. Not because He was superhuman, but because He wasn't.

 

[Magenta]

we probably all have views of things in the scriptures that ultimately imply He is not God, if we thought them all the way through, even though we believe He is.

for example how we comprehend His quoting the Psalm, 'Eloi Eloi lama sabachthani' - - how can we think He is the one being forsaken if we believe He is God? how can we picture Him as hopeless and powerless and scared at that moment, and still think simultaneously He is the Almighty? but we do.

we're not so smart, us humans.

Psalm 22 is a prophetic Messianic Psalm, detailing the specifics of how we would reject and put God in the flesh to death. Jesus repeatedly stated that He said and did only that which God gave Him to say and to do, and all He said and did was for our benefit. I see His anguished cry as foretelling also the horror of those who shall perish at the end of this age, as a direct result of their ultimate refusal to accept Him as Lord and King.