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Thank you for affirming what I've been saying all along, salvation is of the Lord. It has nothing to do with us, so the saved can never lose their salvation because the Lord never fails thank you 
but you seem to have contradicted yourself here so hmmm sus!
but you seem to have contradicted yourself here so hmmm sus!
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Again..we keep saying and posting scripture..God loves ALL MANKIND..Jesus DIED for ALL MANKIND. BECAUSE if God passionate love for us that ALL WOULD ACCEPT Him as Lord and Savior of thier lives BEFORE the day of judgement when it will be too late and Yes..some He loves and died for WILL go to hell..not because GOD wants that..but because of the choices of mankind NOT TO ACCEPT JESUS..
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When Jesus said "it is finished" meant he was "giving up" his spirit and died..not that He would never speak to mankind again .
John 19:28-30 New King James Version (NKJV)
It Is Finished
28 After this, Jesus, [a]knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!” 29 Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there; and they filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on hyssop, and put it to His mouth. 30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit
And you obviously know nothing of prayer and the power it holds
Rebuke me all you want..I have shown you scriptures that back up my belief..it's YOUR choice not to believe scripture..lol
John 19:28-30 New King James Version (NKJV)
It Is Finished
28 After this, Jesus, [a]knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!” 29 Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there; and they filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on hyssop, and put it to His mouth. 30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit
And you obviously know nothing of prayer and the power it holds
Rebuke me all you want..I have shown you scriptures that back up my belief..it's YOUR choice not to believe scripture..lol
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@Slayer..I feel you are acting like a dog that's been pushed in a corner and lashing and trying to fight his way out..
From what little I know of you..I commend that you go to your pastor for insight but a lot of churches teach THIER WAY IS THE ONLY WAY..there are many in here that can be learned from and have some good insight..some that have studied for years and have experienced how God has worked through thier lives..please humble yourself a bit..be open to other people and Hearing what insight God has put in thier Spirit..maybe God is trying to "speak" something into your life by another CC member but you refuse to listen..not 1 of us can EVER say we KNOW ALL about God..the Bible etc..so we are all on this journey together .please embrace it ?
From what little I know of you..I commend that you go to your pastor for insight but a lot of churches teach THIER WAY IS THE ONLY WAY..there are many in here that can be learned from and have some good insight..some that have studied for years and have experienced how God has worked through thier lives..please humble yourself a bit..be open to other people and Hearing what insight God has put in thier Spirit..maybe God is trying to "speak" something into your life by another CC member but you refuse to listen..not 1 of us can EVER say we KNOW ALL about God..the Bible etc..so we are all on this journey together .please embrace it ?
@Slayer..this is you..quoted
"Those who preach on the love of God and never talk about His hatred, are serving Satan. They are giving people the wrong message about who God is, God is love but He is also hatred. Go and study the whole Bible, don't just pluck out all the verses which speak about His love. Go and learn about His hatred and judgement of sinners"
Please give me SPECIFIC scriptures that God is "hatred" MY BIBLE says..God is JUST..God is PATIENT..God is LOVE..God OMNIPOTENT..God is WISE..God is SOVERIGN...etc
NO WHERE in my Bible does it say God is HATRED...
You CANT hate the same people that God sent his only son to DIE for..contradiction..
"Those who preach on the love of God and never talk about His hatred, are serving Satan. They are giving people the wrong message about who God is, God is love but He is also hatred. Go and study the whole Bible, don't just pluck out all the verses which speak about His love. Go and learn about His hatred and judgement of sinners"
Please give me SPECIFIC scriptures that God is "hatred" MY BIBLE says..God is JUST..God is PATIENT..God is LOVE..God OMNIPOTENT..God is WISE..God is SOVERIGN...etc
NO WHERE in my Bible does it say God is HATRED...
You CANT hate the same people that God sent his only son to DIE for..contradiction..
As a Calvinist I agree with you. The Arminians also have their 5 points of Arminianism and back it up with scripture. The Apostles Creed was created by the early elders to define what a Christian must believe. Anything outside of it was and is to agree to disagree. That is why we have so many gospel preaching denominations. There are Calvinist and Armenian denominations and many in between.
AGREE TO DISAGREE!!
AGREE TO DISAGREE!!
Nothing to do with US? The plan of salvation has EVERYTHING to do with us .
Calvinist has God reaching into our totally depraved heart and touching it to allow us to turn to Jesus.
Armenians say that we have a free will to turn to Jesus and we do that to become Christians.
Biblical arguments on both sides backed up by scripture. Thus the Quinquarticular Controversy keeps on going!! (Calvinism vs Arminianism)
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Paul wrote about the law of sin living in him and the resulting struggle.
Romans 7 NIV
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Romans 7 NIV
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
You falsley accuse my God of casting wicked sinners into hell for nothing. That is a lie and it's actually blasphemy!!!!. God cast sinners into hell, "Sin" is not nothing as you claim it is. Sin is so disgusting that God will not tolerate it in heaven, He doesn't want to pollute heaven with "nothing". It's not nothing, it's filthy wicked sin and even I don't like it let alone how God feels about it.