John McCain, Hero of the Free World

[Blanche]

How we are to follow Jesus happens AFTER we are born again by accepting Him, who He is and what He has done. If you do not have Jesus and He doesn't know you, then you WILL die in your sins, and be eternally separated from Him in Hell.

PennEd: I asked quite a few questions, which I think are reasonable and you have not answered any of them. Of course, some do not know Jesus and will never be born again because they belong to different religions. It is not a choice what religion you follow (most of the time) ... it is an accident of birth. So we got lucky and the other 6.5 billion are going to Hell (only 1 billion are Protestants). If you add Catholics (and we dont because they are going to Hell too), we would have 2 billion people out of almost 8 billion.

Finally, I have known many people who have been born again (professed their belief/been through a ceremony) on a certain date and they did not change. They did not become different people. They simply believed in the right Doctrine. So is it all down to believing in the right doctrine and does it have nothing at all to do with what kind of people we are .. how we treat others.

When Jesus says I do not know you, he is saying, in essence, that their behaviour estranges them from Him.
Not a literal "I do not know you". Jesus was radically inclusive, not exclusive. Jesus was/IS love and He also said forgive 70 x 7 which means ALWAYS FORGIVE. ALWAYS.

 

[notuptome]

PennEd: I asked quite a few questions, which I think are reasonable and you have not answered any of them. Of course, some do not know Jesus and will never be born again because they belong to different religions. It is not a choice what religion you follow (most of the time) ... it is an accident of birth. So we got lucky and the other 6.5 billion are going to Hell (only 1 billion are Protestants). If you add Catholics (and we dont because they are going to Hell too), we would have 2 billion people out of almost 8 billion.

Finally, I have known many people who have been born again (professed their belief/been through a ceremony) on a certain date and they did not change. They did not become different people. They simply believed in the right Doctrine. So is it all down to believing in the right doctrine and does it have nothing at all to do with what kind of people we are .. how we treat others.

When Jesus says I do not know you, he is saying, in essence, that their behaviour estranges them from Him.
Not a literal "I do not know you". Jesus was radically inclusive, not exclusive. Jesus was/IS love and He also said forgive 70 x 7 which means ALWAYS FORGIVE. ALWAYS.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

One way to heaven. All men are able to be saved and all are without excuse.

Romans 1:
19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

God reaches even those born into other religions. Men reject God because their deeds are evil.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Blanche]

God reaches even those born into other religions. Men reject God because their deeds are evil.

Believers of other faiths do NOT reject God. Does Judaism believe in one God? Are they evil? Some are, some are not. They believe what they were taught to believe just as you and I were taught to believe what we were taught.
Re this believing in God nor not Believing in God ... has to do with faith or no faith. The ability to accept as true by faith and without absolute proof. Some people are unable to believe. I really dont think it is a choice. One either believes in God or one does not. There are good and evil atheists. There are good and evil believers.

 

[PennEd]

PennEd: I asked quite a few questions, which I think are reasonable and you have not answered any of them. Of course, some do not know Jesus and will never be born again because they belong to different religions. It is not a choice what religion you follow (most of the time) ... it is an accident of birth. So we got lucky and the other 6.5 billion are going to Hell (only 1 billion are Protestants). If you add Catholics (and we dont because they are going to Hell too), we would have 2 billion people out of almost 8 billion.

Finally, I have known many people who have been born again (professed their belief/been through a ceremony) on a certain date and they did not change. They did not become different people. They simply believed in the right Doctrine. So is it all down to believing in the right doctrine and does it have nothing at all to do with what kind of people we are .. how we treat others.

When Jesus says I do not know you, he is saying, in essence, that their behaviour estranges them from Him.
Not a literal "I do not know you". Jesus was radically inclusive, not exclusive. Jesus was/IS love and He also said forgive 70 x 7 which means ALWAYS FORGIVE. ALWAYS.

Are you reading the same thread as me? How is it possible you can say I haven't answered any of your questions? Here is your question from post #74
BLANCHE ASKS:
"No, I dont see it as offensive at all too God. Jesus died because of our sins. But, being a good person and following what he taught for 3 1/2 years cannot be wrong. It is not to "gain points" , but to have learned from Jesus to try (fail as we do) ... but try to become better persons.
In any case, that Jesus died for our sins is a theory put forth long after He died. It is the ransom theory. there are so many others. I dont believe I have read in the Bible where it says Jesus died to save us from our sins.
CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE ME VERSES ON THAT"

MY RESPONSE: Post # 75
1 Corinthians 15 New International Version (NIV)
The Resurrection of Christ
15 Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried,that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas,[b] and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

 

[PennEd]

Believers of other faiths do NOT reject God. Does Judaism believe in one God? Are they evil? Some are, some are not. They believe what they were taught to believe just as you and I were taught to believe what we were taught.
Re this believing in God nor not Believing in God ... has to do with faith or no faith. The ability to accept as true by faith and without absolute proof. Some people are unable to believe. I really dont think it is a choice. One either believes in God or one does not. There are good and evil atheists. There are good and evil believers.

I was "taught" many different things in the Catholic school and church my parents sent me to. One of them however, was NOT to trust in Jesus Christ's finished work on the cross for the payment of my sins as being complete and sufficient.

I do NOT believe in Jesus Christ because I was "taught" about Him. I believe in Jesus Christ because I heard the Gospel. I repented of a very specific sin. The sin was thinking there was some OTHER way to be saved. I was a basically good person, that helped others from time to time. Surely God will weigh my good deeds and see they outweigh my bad deeds and grant me access to Heaven because of MY performance!!!
NO!!!! I am a sinner in need of a Savior to pay the sin debt I can NEVER repay. God's ONLY Son IS THAT SAVIOR! When I acknowledged that need of a Savior, and recognized that Jesus Christ IS that Savior, and asked Him into my heart to save me, He came and saved me!
Now, the Holy Spirit lives inside me.

It wasn't a "lesson" I learned. It was a PERSON that I know, and KNOWS me!

 

[Blanche]

urely God will weigh my good deeds and see they outweigh my bad deeds and grant me access to Heaven because of MY performance!!!
NO!!!! I am a sinner in need of a Savior to pay the sin debt I can NEVER repay

A performance is an act. It is done to get a response. That is not following Jesus. Tell me, why did Jesus preach about how we are to treat one another for three and one half years, if we were not to do what He was teaching us?

 

[PennEd]

A performance is an act. It is done to get a response. That is not following Jesus. Tell me, why did Jesus preach about how we are to treat one another for three and one half years, if we were not to do what He was teaching us?

You are jumping to false conclusions.

Can you please cite where I said we shouldn't follow what Jesus taught?

You are confusing that following with Salvation. We follow Jesus BECAUSE we are saved, NOT the other way around. We are NOT SAVED because we follow.

You did not address THE Gospel that I posted twice now that says We are saved because He died for our sins and rose again.

And that if you preach a different gospel than that you are accursed.

 

[Blanche]

You are jumping to false conclusions.

Can you please cite where I said we shouldn't follow what Jesus taught?
You are confusing that following with Salvation. We follow Jesus BECAUSE we are saved, NOT the other way around. We are NOT SAVED because we follow.
You did not address THE Gospel that I posted twice now that says We are saved because He died for our sins and rose again.

And that if you preach a different gospel than that you are accursed.

Oh, my. Are you actually condemning me to Hell based on a few exchanges here? That is very very sad. o
I believe that "works" as it is spoken of is not doing in order to get somethng in return but doing because one wants to ...
Does it really matter which comes first or last ... works result

 

[notuptome]

Believers of other faiths do NOT reject God. Does Judaism believe in one God? Are they evil? Some are, some are not. They believe what they were taught to believe just as you and I were taught to believe what we were taught.
Re this believing in God nor not Believing in God ... has to do with faith or no faith. The ability to accept as true by faith and without absolute proof. Some people are unable to believe. I really dont think it is a choice. One either believes in God or one does not. There are good and evil atheists. There are good and evil believers.

Oh my you really do imagine that you hold the higher moral ground over Gods word. Well you say they do not reject but Gods word says that they change God into something other than God. If you read Romans 1 you would see that very fact boldly displayed. Changing God is rejecting God. Rejecting Christ as Messiah is rejecting God.

The gospel has indeed gone into all the world much of it long before we were born. Men have rejected and changed God and His word because they understood that they were condemned if they did not receive Christ and turn from their sins. It is the same today. Men argue against the need to be saved and change God into a weak minded old fool.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[PennEd]

Oh, my. Are you actually condemning me to Hell based on a few exchanges here? That is very very sad. o
I believe that "works" as it is spoken of is not doing in order to get somethng in return but doing because one wants to ...
Does it really matter which comes first or last ... works result

Again, you jump to conclusions and assign false motives.
Why would I think I had ANY power to save or condemn someone!?

Without Jesus ALL are condemned to hell. It is as simple as that. I can explain the Gospel, but I can't comprehend it for you or force you to accept it. Read this passage and understand VERY clearly that if you don't have Jesus you are condemned to hell right now. I'm praying and asking that you, and everyone else that hears the Gospel unto Salvation believes, accepts, receives and is born again.

ohn 3:18 New King James Version (NKJV)
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[Blanche]

Again, you jump to conclusions and assign false motives.
Why would I think I had ANY power to save or condemn someone!?

Without Jesus ALL are condemned to hell. It is as simple as that. I can explain the Gospel, but I can't comprehend it for you or force you to accept it. Read this passage and understand VERY clearly that if you don't have Jesus you are condemned to hell right now. I'm praying and asking that you, and everyone else that hears the Gospel unto Salvation believes, accepts, receives and is born again.

PennEd:
I find it ironic that you say I jumped to a conclusion about your condemning me to Hell (your words or using the Bible to do it) and then in the very next paragraph (above in green), you do it again. You are I also "assuming" that I dont in Jesus? Why? I have said over and over again that we are to "follow" Jesus .. not only with words, but with actions.

James 2:14-26 New King James Version (NKJV)
Faith Without Works Is Dead
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

[PennEd]

PennEd:
I find it ironic that you say I jumped to a conclusion about your condemning me to Hell (your words or using the Bible to do it) and then in the very next paragraph (above in green), you do it again. You are I also "assuming" that I dont in Jesus? Why? I have said over and over again that we are to "follow" Jesus .. not only with words, but with actions.

James 2:14-26 New King James Version (NKJV)
Faith Without Works Is Dead
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

You seem unable or unwilling to understand what I'm saying. I CANNOT condemn you. If you feel condemned by a Scripture posted that is on YOU.

You have been shown by several posters that Christ died to pay for our sins, and that there is NO other way a person can be saved but by Him. You have fought that pure Gospel tooth and nail and refused to acknowledge that foundational Truth.

Following Jesus is what a Christian DOES, it is NOT what a Christian is. A Christian is one who has trusted in Christ ALONE, in HIS finished work, and been born again.

Has it dawned on you that the reverse is true in James? Works WITHOUT faith (in Jesus) IS DEAD! Any work you do, or anyone else, outside of Christ is worthless and dead. It is IMPOSSIBLE to please God without faith.

 

[Blanche]

God is not a respecter of persons. One way to eternal life and that is through Christ. So yeah Mother Theresa is not going to enter heaven on what she did. If she did not know Christ as Savior then Christ will not know her in eternal life.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Mother Theresa most certainlly did know Jesus Christ and she lived her life in accordance. She is a perfect example of following Jesus.

 

[notuptome]

Mother Theresa most certainlly did know Jesus Christ and she lived her life in accordance. She is a perfect example of following Jesus.

I never had the opportunity to speak with her so I cannot attest to the validity of your assertion. I have heard that she did not profess to rely upon Jesus as her Savior but did rely upon her humanitarian works. Given her catholic background I can see where it would be difficult for her to attest to the saving grace of God in light of the church's teaching on grace through works. I certainly hope that she at some point in her life trusted Christ to save her but she left no writings to clarify the issue.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[jameen]

A Christian Pastor's Advice to John McCain as He Faces the Gates of Hell


"Senator, concern yourself not with whether or not Donald Trump attends your funeral. Concern yourself with Eternity in either the Kingdom of God, or in Hell."

The author is a Lutheran pastor from San Antonio, Texas.

Senator, a good Lutheran pastor preaches Law and Gospel. Here’s your situation in terms of your earthly performance under God’s Law: In life, you killed and wounded scores of your shipmates on the USS Forrestal ‘Wet Starting’ your A-4 aircraft in a deliberate attempt at grandstanding. Your Admiral father covered that up, as he did Israel’s deliberate attack on the USS Liberty which killed and wounded scores of Americans.

You betrayed your POW colleagues in Hanoi, not under torture as is indicated by Empire Media, but for a guest room and morning coffee according to cell mates. I have interviewed several of them personally. Your real performance then would earn you the name Songbird. It is a name that has remained etched in the vivid memories of your comrades all these decades later. As in the USS Forrestal tragedy, you would evade a military tribunal and an inevitable court martial and dishonorable discharge due to your father’s power and influence in the inner sanctums of the US Navy elite and the covert assistance of the President of the United States.

You divorced your first wife when she was ill, to marry a rich woman who financed your political career. She obtained her money from her father, Jim Hensley, a bag man for the Meyer Lansky Israeli Crime Syndicate.

You have been a willing and deliberate liar and warmonger for the Zionist State of Israel, the banks, and the Military Industrial Complex. Among the countless number of deaths you have been a conscious and consenting party over many years, you have even stooped in recent years to photo opportunities with Sunni Wahhabic extremists from ISIS and the al-Qaeda fronts in your Israeli sponsored activities in Syria.

In short, Senator, as I explain the gravity and seriousness of your eternal position, you are nearing entrance into the grasping Jaws of Hell. You are like Belshazzar. The Israeli American Empire is like his Babylonian Empire. Both have ‘been weighed and found wanting in the balance.’ (Daniel, Chapter Five)

And so, I present you with your one route of escape. Confess your sins in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Rest in the mercy of the Holy Trinity.

While your mind is still clear, read and consider the Gospel as found in I John, Chapter One. It is your only hope.
The Empire, the Empire Media, and the Synagogue of Satan you have served cannot save you. I cannot save you. You cannot save yourself.

Only Christ can, in your case, just before the stroke of Midnight.

WRITTEN BY MARK DANKOF ON MAY 8, 2018

Reposting this again.

 

[PennEd]

Reposting this again.

Why?

 

[Jennie-Mae]

Reposting this again.

What good comes from you reposting this?

You are in the most disgraceful way displaying your total lack of respect for an honorable man by citing invalid sources.

Clean up the mess in your own backyard before you’re mocking others.

 

[Blanche]

So please, stop saying " well I don't believe". You STILL have time, but who knows how much. Repent of your belief that there is some other way than Jesus. The issue isn't Mother Teresa, muslims, or Ghandi. The issue is YOU![/QUOTE]

Penn Ed:
The Bible has over one hundred verses that speak to the sin of judging others. You have judged me on the internet based on my belief that God will be fair. Will God send Anne Frank, a 13 year old girl, who died during the Holocaust for being a Jew? That is what her family taught her. Or will He judge her based on what kind of person she was? Is Mother Theresa, a Catholic Christian in Hell for being a Catholic, despite spending her entire life helping the most destitute? Really?

The Bible says Faith Without Works is Dead. Here it is. I think it makes it pretty clear that we need both:

James 2:14-26 New King James Version (NKJV)
Faith Without Works Is Dead

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

To me what the above means is that we need to do both to the best of our ability. I wish you well and I do not put into question where you will go when you die. Please do not judge where I will go. You simply do not know.

I am the problem you say? Then, I would say that many, many Christians have this problem that I have. Our
"problem" is in how we interpret the Bible in light of it's history and the cultures in which it was written. Jesus is the benchmark ... for belief and behavour ... but if someone does not know Jesus (born into another religion

 

[PennEd]

So please, stop saying " well I don't believe". You STILL have time, but who knows how much. Repent of your belief that there is some other way than Jesus. The issue isn't Mother Teresa, muslims, or Ghandi. The issue is YOU!

Penn Ed:
The Bible has over one hundred verses that speak to the sin of judging others. You have judged me on the internet based on my belief that God will be fair. Will God send Anne Frank, a 13 year old girl, who died during the Holocaust for being a Jew? That is what her family taught her. Or will He judge her based on what kind of person she was? Is Mother Theresa, a Catholic Christian in Hell for being a Catholic, despite spending her entire life helping the most destitute? Really?

The Bible says Faith Without Works is Dead. Here it is. I think it makes it pretty clear that we need both:

James 2:14-26 New King James Version (NKJV)
Faith Without Works Is Dead

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

To me what the above means is that we need to do both to the best of our ability. I wish you well and I do not put into question where you will go when you die. Please do not judge where I will go. You simply do not know.

I am the problem you say? Then, I would say that many, many Christians have this problem that I have. Our
"problem" is in how we interpret the Bible in light of it's history and the cultures in which it was written. Jesus is the benchmark ... for belief and behavour ... but if someone does not know Jesus (born into another religion[/QUOTE]


You KEEP saying I'm condemning you and others that think there is some other way to be saved besides Jesus.

JESUS is the One that says if you do NOT have Him you will die in your sin and be eternally lost.

It is NOT ME you are not believing. It is Jesus. You CANNOT escape that truth, no matter how much you don't like it.

 

[Blanche]

It is NOT ME you are not believing. It is Jesus. You CANNOT escape that truth, no matter how much you don't like it.[/QUOTE]

For the very last time, I AM a BELIEVER in JESUS. You simply do not wish to engage in the issues. Last post on the topic. I wish you well.