Which Jesus Do You Know

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Noblemen

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Which Jesus do you know

Do you know God's Son by revelation or do you know the historical Son of God. Paul said we are to know no man after the flesh, not even Jesus, 2 Cor. 5:16.

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Do you know about the Jesus that walked and talked in this world two thousand years ago, or do you know the Jesus that was placed in every born again believer the moment they believed.
To know Jesus of Nazareth is to know the historical Son of God. As you read Paul carefully you see he never talks about the miracles Jesus performed, the way He handles the people or any of the many wonderful things Jesus did. He only talks about the death, burial, and resurrection.

There is a reason for Paul never to mention the historical Son. That is not the Jesus you need to know. The gospel is the need for the believer to know the Jesus that is in them. The Christ that became the new life and nature in the born again.
It was God's intention before the creation of the world that the creature live by one life, that life was in His Son, Ephesians 1:4,

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Our gospel does not start with the fall of Adam and Eve, our gospel does not even start at the cross, the gospel started before anything was created. Before sin, before sickness, and even before Satan. We were chosen to be in Christ before the foundation of the world. Paul told the Ephesians church, Ephesians 4:20,

20 But ye have not so learned Christ;

It is this Christ that the every believer must come to know. This is the only Jesus you can know by revelation. What the Father has done is past finding out on your own. It is imperative the Christ in you be revealed to you in the Father's Time, Gal. 4:1-2,

Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

The keystone wording "until the time appointed of the Father".

Tudors and governors (circumstances and situations) and in the world system to bring about a mature son. The world is a schoolhouse the Father uses to train His children. Have you noticed when the converging powers of the world begin to play a roll in a life you can't pray them away, there is no rebuking devils, no amount of fasting can bring deliverence.
The Father's training can be severe at times but Paul called it a "light affliction" compared to the eternal weight of glory, 2 Cor. 4:17,

17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
 

NayborBear

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Care to interpret 2 Cor. 5:16?

I'll "give a stab", man!

We are, as being "in Christ?" Not looking unto Christ that walked this earth on 2 feet. That by so doing? The actual sacrifice for sin? Died with Him!

For these reasons, is why Paul never mentioned what Jesus did, so as to give any indication that the Love for us, by He who sent Him? Left WITH Him!
 
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7seasrekeyed

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oh...:unsure:

well ...:coffee: (drinking coffee)

doesn't what Paul says mean do not know them 'according' to the flesh?

that is to know or understand them according to our flesh? seems like Paul meant not to 'know' after human reasoning

There is a reason for Paul never to mention the historical Son. That is not the Jesus you need to know. The gospel is the need for the believer to know the Jesus that is in them. The Christ that became the new life and nature in the born again.
It was God's intention before the creation of the world that the creature live by one life, that life was in His Son, Ephesians 1:4,

it seems you are using the KJV so I don't know if you are KJ only and I don't mean to step on toes if you are, but I grew up with the KJ and I am quite familiar with it and I appreciate it very much but it does not always translate into a way of speaking that most English people use in day to day language.

checking Care to interpret 2 Cor. 5:16? as you replied to Blue, the intent is not to dismiss or hold to no account Christ in the physical sense

I concur with the spiritual emphasis but I disagree that Paul meant to disregard the historicity of Christ

while I understand the slant you are taking, it seems almost a little gnostic in the presentation. I take comfort in the Jesus who walked this earth and had the same emotions and temptations that we have. I can identify with Him. as do countless others

and we rise above this life by God's Spirit in us but we are still 'in the flesh' and flesh is not a dirty or forbidden concept

'that is not the Jesus we need to know' does not sound right to me and I do not find substance for that interpretation while at the same time I concur with the fact that the life of Christ within us, by the Spirit of God, is our determination for following after Him

I think Paul meant do not see Christ as only from a human POV; as He was both God and man our understanding is both with a view to the OT prophecies (from which the disciples could prove He was/is Who He says He is) and a spiritual explanation from Paul who basically only knew Christ through a spiritual experience

IMO it's both

if I have misunderstood, please explain
 

Nehemiah6

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Care to interpret 2 Cor. 5:16?
We need to interpret this verse within the context in which it is given, and there we find that Paul makes reference to the historical Jesus as much as to Jesus in the Spirit within believers. What we see here is (a) the meaning of the sacrifice of Christ and (b) the application of that sacrifice to believers. Please note:

2 CORINTHIANS 5

HISTORICAL
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

HISTORICAL
15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.


SPIRITUAL
16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


HISTORICAL
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


SPIRITUAL
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

HISTORICAL
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
 

Shamah

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John 14:23-26, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”

Matthew 28:19-20, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
 

Noblemen

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Knowing Christ who is our life now in no way discredits what or who Jesus was in this world. He is still in this world just in a different body. The plan of God is for all believers to know Christ as life. The only way for Christ-life expression is revealed knowledge, Christ in you the hope of glory. The mind needs to see Him who has become the life of the every born again believer.
 

Noblemen

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I concur with the spiritual emphasis but I disagree that Paul meant to disregard the historicity of Christ
Thanks for your reply; as you know expression of thought does not come across well at times in a forum.
I think it would go without explanation that Paul would not disregard Jesus of Nazareth as just a historical figure. You can see as well the many interpretations you get of scripture and the many different translations used by Christians. I'll just say the need for sound teaching is at a premium. I would not discredit those that are growing in grace and knowledge, but the need is great. The media's we have access to are fascinating to see where an individual is in their understanding. I have been involved from the beginning of forums and the decline of sound doctrine seems to be creeping in. The "how to books" that fly off the shelves rule a lot of the mind-set of the main-line thinkers.