I had nothing to do with you turning God into a liar and loser; you did that all on your own
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When you make claims you need to own them, you quoted scripture and tried to make it say that God desires to save everyone. But the Bible is very clear that God only saves His elect, the rest are all damned, you can't ignore half of the Bible and push your agenda by taking verses out of their intended context.
Jesus also said, blessed are they that believe having never seen or heard Him speak. His word it alive and eternal, it speaks to us today just as powerfully as it did to all the previous generations.
God's Word is a living thing, He has given one message to mankind and that message is alive and powerful. He did speak directly to some men, He gave them a special mission but God completed the mission on the cross and He ceased speaking when Jesus said "it is finished".
We will never fully understand what God has already said, one lifetime is not enough to unpack everything so we don't need to hear anymore. His Word applies to everybody's life, no matter what stage of their life journey they are at. The problem we all have is disobedience, none of us obey His Word and that's why we suffer loss.
God's Word is a living thing, He has given one message to mankind and that message is alive and powerful. He did speak directly to some men, He gave them a special mission but God completed the mission on the cross and He ceased speaking when Jesus said "it is finished".
We will never fully understand what God has already said, one lifetime is not enough to unpack everything so we don't need to hear anymore. His Word applies to everybody's life, no matter what stage of their life journey they are at. The problem we all have is disobedience, none of us obey His Word and that's why we suffer loss.
Hell is death, those in hell are always dying. They feel the sensation of dying for eternity, while the scream in super hot flames. You need to study the context death is spoken in, this is why the Catholic Church banned the Bible from ordinary sheep. They all go away and start false religions based on their perverted understanding of the scriptures.
God has ordained Shepherds to lead us sheep, the problem is when sheep like you appoint yourself as a Shepherd. You need to find a Shepherd to lead you and explain the scriptures to you, because you are a lost rouge sheep and the hungry lion will find you and devour you.
Only those who have the Holy Spirit will understand the scriptures, the Word of God is foolishness to those who are perishing. You can always tell who the true believers are by the way they treat Gods Word, true believes allow the Bible to interpret itself. False Christians add their own perverted view to scripture.
God has ordained Shepherds to lead us sheep, the problem is when sheep like you appoint yourself as a Shepherd. You need to find a Shepherd to lead you and explain the scriptures to you, because you are a lost rouge sheep and the hungry lion will find you and devour you.
Only those who have the Holy Spirit will understand the scriptures, the Word of God is foolishness to those who are perishing. You can always tell who the true believers are by the way they treat Gods Word, true believes allow the Bible to interpret itself. False Christians add their own perverted view to scripture.
U
Yes that had extraordinarily positive results lets see...
-a system of indulgences, people had to pay to get to heaven
-positions in the church based on wealth and power
-priests that were there for status and prestige
-the lay people held bondage by a system of fear
-vows of celibacy, so many if not most priest had mistresses and illegitimate children
-the church as the dispenser of God's grace through a system of sacraments
-no gospel, works based salvation
-self flagellation to become righteousness
etc., etc., etc.,
It's actually sinful to speak about God in those terms, I suggest you repent and confess your sins lets ye be the "R" word.[/QUOTE]
Lol. Ok, So you can not refute what I said, all you can do is throw a strawman around and judge me.. I see your no different. Thanks for provingn this. If it makes you fell better, then I guess its ok.. But if you think it is going to turn anyone to your way of thinking, Well. You should think again. [/QUOTE]
I don't think you understood what I said, I was saying that we cannot understand why God does what He does. We know He loves some people and hates others, I'm saying we don't know why He hates some and loves others. He is a mysterious God, He hasn't revealed everything about Himself.
All we know is what he has revealed, but there's a lot we will never understand and people accuse God of all kinds of evil because they don't understand Him. He commanded us to love Him unconditionally and not to try to work Him out and judge Him
Lol. Ok, So you can not refute what I said, all you can do is throw a strawman around and judge me.. I see your no different. Thanks for provingn this. If it makes you fell better, then I guess its ok.. But if you think it is going to turn anyone to your way of thinking, Well. You should think again. [/QUOTE]
I don't think you understood what I said, I was saying that we cannot understand why God does what He does. We know He loves some people and hates others, I'm saying we don't know why He hates some and loves others. He is a mysterious God, He hasn't revealed everything about Himself.
All we know is what he has revealed, but there's a lot we will never understand and people accuse God of all kinds of evil because they don't understand Him. He commanded us to love Him unconditionally and not to try to work Him out and judge Him
Jesus said, "it is finished" on the cross and God didn't need to speak anymore. Christ returned to His disciples after his resurrection and He told John what to write in the book of revelation and that was the end of Gods communication with mankind. He has not spoken a word to us since and there's no need to, His Word is alive and just as powerful today as it ever was.
As for your first point, I rebuke you for trying to make my God look like a cruel tyrant. God has every right to choose some for salvation and leave others in their sin. The bible is clear that predestination and election are true, this free choice movement is straight from the pits of hell. It's the doctrine of Demons.
As for your first point, I rebuke you for trying to make my God look like a cruel tyrant. God has every right to choose some for salvation and leave others in their sin. The bible is clear that predestination and election are true, this free choice movement is straight from the pits of hell. It's the doctrine of Demons.
You need to find yourself a Shepherd to lead you and teach you what the scriptures mean. When Satan finds a lost rouge sheep, He devours it like a hungry lion. This is why we need Shepherds to protect us, you should never attempt to interpret the Bible in a private, shallow way.
God has ordained Shepherds to lead us dumb sheep and tell us what the Bible says, the problem we see today is we have lost sheep roaming around professing themselves to be wise they became fools.
God has ordained Shepherds to lead us dumb sheep and tell us what the Bible says, the problem we see today is we have lost sheep roaming around professing themselves to be wise they became fools.
@Slayer
In your Post #2,495 you stated:
In your Post #26 you stated:
If your "God doesn't punish people for something they had no say in"
and
your "God created certain people without the ability to come to a saving knowledge of God and respond by believing in the Gospel"
they cannot "deserve hell" because they were "created without the ability" so your "God doesn't punish" them.
Do you even think before you click the "Post reply" link?
In your Post #2,495 you stated:
"My God doesn’t punish people for something they had no say in"
In your Post #26 you stated:
"We believe God created certain people without the ability to come to a saving knowledge of God and respond by believing in the Gospel."
If your "God doesn't punish people for something they had no say in"
and
your "God created certain people without the ability to come to a saving knowledge of God and respond by believing in the Gospel"
they cannot "deserve hell" because they were "created without the ability" so your "God doesn't punish" them.
Do you even think before you click the "Post reply" link?
No instruction? Seriously?
James 1:12 encourages us to remain steadfast in our faith as we persevere in our trials and hold fast to our faith in Christ even when an enticement is held before us.
Do you even think before you click the "Post reply" link?
James 1:12 encourages us to remain steadfast in our faith as we persevere in our trials and hold fast to our faith in Christ even when an enticement is held before us.
Do you even think before you click the "Post reply" link?
U
What is the matter did I strike a nerve?
At least a cruel tyrant is consistent, he strikes down those who oppose him, your God is morally ambiguous, not even trustworthy since He has favourites like a bad teacher.
The selection is based on the whims and fancy of a sometimes love sometimes hate God.
You construct a false God, in contradiction to His character and then to stave off criticism of the faulty depiction by saying God has every right to be this way.
The truth is that is not God, He does not select only some for salvation.
At least a cruel tyrant is consistent, he strikes down those who oppose him, your God is morally ambiguous, not even trustworthy since He has favourites like a bad teacher.
The selection is based on the whims and fancy of a sometimes love sometimes hate God.
You construct a false God, in contradiction to His character and then to stave off criticism of the faulty depiction by saying God has every right to be this way.
The truth is that is not God, He does not select only some for salvation.
In your Post #2,522 you stated
And then 46 minutes later you state in your Post #2,532 the Scriptures "don't apply to us in the 21st century".
Really ... seriously ... do you even think before you click the “Post reply” link?
"God's Word is a living thing, He has given one message to mankind and that message is alive and powerful"
And then 46 minutes later you state in your Post #2,532 the Scriptures "don't apply to us in the 21st century".
Really ... seriously ... do you even think before you click the “Post reply” link?
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In rebellion to what???
According to your dogma, they're doing exactly what God created them to do so they're more faithful to their "calling" and "election" than you are.
Since (according to your dogma) they are doing exactly as God created them, and you just can't seem to stop sinning (even though God has given you the means to do so), maybe you're the one headed to the lake of fire ...
According to your dogma, they're doing exactly what God created them to do so they're more faithful to their "calling" and "election" than you are.
Since (according to your dogma) they are doing exactly as God created them, and you just can't seem to stop sinning (even though God has given you the means to do so), maybe you're the one headed to the lake of fire ...
No, the verse is not merely "an observation"
The verse is a statement of encouragement to those who face temptation.
You know, like you when you gaze at scantily clad women and lust after them in your heart.
Romans 6:21 asks a very pertinent question:
Some believers are able to endure temptation as the Holy Spirit brings to their memory verses such as James 1:12 and they hold fast to God's promise.
It appears that you, on the other hand, prefer to revel in those things whereof you are now ashamed rather than focus on James 1:12. You won't even ask your pastor to explain it to you so you can overcome temptation. smh …
The verse is a statement of encouragement to those who face temptation.
You know, like you when you gaze at scantily clad women and lust after them in your heart.
Romans 6:21 asks a very pertinent question:
What fruit had ye then in those things whereof you are now ashamed?
Some believers are able to endure temptation as the Holy Spirit brings to their memory verses such as James 1:12 and they hold fast to God's promise.
It appears that you, on the other hand, prefer to revel in those things whereof you are now ashamed rather than focus on James 1:12. You won't even ask your pastor to explain it to you so you can overcome temptation. smh …