To All Who Would Be Judges

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JaumeJ

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Anyone who commits a sin has broken the law. Breaking the least of the laws makes a peron guilty of breaking all of the law.

In discussing the Word, it is a good idea to know the Word by having read it at least once through.

If you read dthe New Testament and believe it and do it, that should be fine providing you r faith is strong enough to believe all in that faith, but if not, you really must read the Old Testamen from which the New proceeds to understand

Many who come to discuss the Bible here actually come to prove just how evil others are and how good they are, and this should not be for it shows no love or mercy being extended to all.

Let us all do our best to follow Jesus christ and hear Him always, and not the accuser, for the enemy is the downfall of many.

All blessings in the love and mercy of Jesus Christ.
 

Shamah

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This is a good reminder to be patient and gentle, Im thinking myself also. One thing I think about is, we are all still learning and just because another is not as far along as another is no reason for accusation.

John 13:35, “By this shall all know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John 5:21-30,21 “For as the Father raises the dead and makes alive, even so the Son makes alive whom He wishes."22 “For the Father judges no one, but has given all the judgment to the Son,"23 that all should value the Son even as they value the Father. He who does not value the Son does not value the Father who sent Him."24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me possesses everlasting life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of Elohim. And those having heard shall live."26 “For as the Father possesses life in Himself, so He gave also to the Son to possess life in Himself,"27 and He has given Him authority also to do judgment, because He is the Son of Aḏam."28 “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice,"29 and shall come forth – those who have practiced righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practised evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment."30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me."
 

Tommy379

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Hamartia...
Missing the mark.

I'm not much of a marksman.
 

notuptome

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Isn't warning people not to be judges already judging them?

Jesus said to judge righteous judgments. Judge according to the word of God because you will be judged by the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

JaumeJ

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Isn't warning people not to be judges already judging them?

Jesus said to judge righteous judgments. Judge according to the word of God because you will be judged by the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Sorry you did not understand the difference between judging for ourselves what is right, as Jesus commands us to do, and judging to condemnation.

If one thinks on these types of judgement, he will find a happy conclusion.

Judging to condemnation is without mercy or grace which if we would want to receive we will alo share and give to others.
 

notuptome

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Sorry you did not understand the difference between judging for ourselves what is right, as Jesus commands us to do, and judging to condemnation.

If one thinks on these types of judgement, he will find a happy conclusion.

Judging to condemnation is without mercy or grace which if we would want to receive we will alo share and give to others.
By judging to condemnation do you mean telling souls if they do not receive Jesus as their Savior and be born again they will perish in the lake of fire forever? Telling souls that they must be saved according to the bible and believing on the Jesus of the bible instead of the Jesus of their own imagination?

Only Catholics in their self righteousness believe they have the power to forgive sin or bind sin unto condemnation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

JaumeJ

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Because you have no idea of what I have said, nor do you wish to know what I am saying I am leaving you as per brotherly conversation.

Your history has been to decide what you say I a intend to say and ridicule by inference. I do not mind you need to ridicule, but I cannot encourage you to continue such.

You must learn to hear and understand when others share in love. God bless you and please stop this personal quest you seem to have concerning my posts. If you check back, you will find I have not done this to you...
 

gb9

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Because you have no idea of what I have said, nor do you wish to know what I am saying I am leaving you as per brotherly conversation.

Your history has been to decide what you say I a intend to say and ridicule by inference. I do not mind you need to ridicule, but I cannot encourage you to continue such.

You must learn to hear and understand when others share in love. God bless you and please stop this personal quest you seem to have concerning my posts. If you check back, you will find I have not done this to you...
instead of saying that everyone who disagrees with you does not understand you, maybe you should be clearer on what you are saying.

just saying.
 

notuptome

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Because you have no idea of what I have said, nor do you wish to know what I am saying I am leaving you as per brotherly conversation.

Your history has been to decide what you say I a intend to say and ridicule by inference. I do not mind you need to ridicule, but I cannot encourage you to continue such.

You must learn to hear and understand when others share in love. God bless you and please stop this personal quest you seem to have concerning my posts. If you check back, you will find I have not done this to you...
You are resorting to judging me rather than addressing the issues from the bible. Your opinion is not gospel and not rooted in sound doctrine. Check the holier than thou attitude and allow yourself to learn what God has to say from the scriptures.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

JaumeJ

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You are resorting to judging me rather than addressing the issues from the bible. Your opinion is not gospel and not rooted in sound doctrine. Check the holier than thou attitude and allow yourself to learn what God has to say from the scriptures.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Please be real in Christ and stop this charade. If you look at your history, concerning me, it has been you seeking me out to start your silly contentions. Please stop now or I will be impelled to consider you as a non-believer.....
 

notuptome

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Please be real in Christ and stop this charade. If you look at your history, concerning me, it has been you seeking me out to start your silly contentions. Please stop now or I will be impelled to consider you as a non-believer.....
Do as you wish but you judge unfairly. You offer fluff and not substance. Look at the word of God and not other people. Sound doctrine stands up to close examination and does not flee Berean testing.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

JaumeJ

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You show me and all where I have judged anyone to condemnation, do it now or be quiet and learn and share your understanding as we are to do in Bible discussion, not come in to accuse...........
 

JaumeJ

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You did understand I hope, Do it now.
 

notuptome

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You show me and all where I have judged anyone to condemnation, do it now or be quiet and learn and share your understanding as we are to do in Bible discussion, not come in to accuse...........
You are not bold enough to directly judge anyone. You only operate on pretense and infer by obtuse reference.

We are told by Jesus to judge righteous judgments. Do you know how to judge righteous judgments?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Sorry you did not understand the difference between judging for ourselves what is right, as Jesus commands us to do, and judging to condemnation.

If one thinks on these types of judgement, he will find a happy conclusion.

Judging to condemnation is without mercy or grace which if we would want to receive we will alo share and give to others.

Good way of explaining the difference.

The god of this world makes it all as one. We evaluate God using His word .He does the accusing separating the goats from the lambs on the last day.

Revelation 12:10 [Full Chapter] And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
 

JaumeJ

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Good way of explaining the difference.

The god of this world makes it all as one. We evaluate God using His word .He does the accusing separating the goats from the lambs on the last day.

Revelation 12:10 [Full Chapter] And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Something equally important on judging what is right is the way it is given......"Judge for yourselves what is right, hypocrites!" The words to emphasize here is "for yourselves," one thing may be completely wrong for oneperson while it is just fine for another therefor when we discuss, i.g. the day of the Sabbath, we must always keep in mind that one man esteems one day over another while naother does not esteem that same day. Neither are in arror , wrong or sinning as long as their faith in their own opractice is with a good consciance in the sight of our Father.

I am not in the least confused about the day I believe I revere as theSabbath of the Lord, and othere, a different dayi are not either........Only our Father knows the hearts of men, amen.

Thank you for your kind and edifying words........j
 

JaumeJ

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You are not bold enough to directly judge anyone. You only operate on pretense and infer by obtuse reference.

We are told by Jesus to judge righteous judgments. Do you know how to judge righteous judgments?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

What! Now are you going to be a comedian? You are a strange one.:LOL:
 
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Anyone who commits a sin has broken the law. Breaking the least of the laws makes a peron guilty of breaking all of the law.

In discussing the Word, it is a good idea to know the Word by having read it at least once through.

If you read dthe New Testament and believe it and do it, that should be fine providing you r faith is strong enough to believe all in that faith, but if not, you really must read the Old Testamen from which the New proceeds to understand

Many who come to discuss the Bible here actually come to prove just how evil others are and how good they are, and this should not be for it shows no love or mercy being extended to all.

Let us all do our best to follow Jesus christ and hear Him always, and not the accuser, for the enemy is the downfall of many.

All blessings in the love and mercy of Jesus Christ.
I wish more people understood that when the Bible says we are not under the law it means if we hate sin, and do not want sin, then by the Spirit we can abstain from sins, for a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, for they have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts, and show the ways of the Spirit and not the flesh, and God will not allow them to be tempted above what they are able, and will give them an escape from the temptation so they can bear it.

So their sins are forgiven, and they are led of the Spirit, so they are not under the law which means the law cannot touch them for prosecution.

The Bible does not say they are not under the law if they confess Christ as their Savior, but they are not under the law if they are led of the Spirit, which Jesus said not everyone that calls Him Lord is saved for they were workers of iniquity, which means they were breaking the law and thinking they were still right with God.

Paul said we do not void out the law through faith, but we establish the law, and the law is spiritual, holy, just, and good.

Which means we have to live up to the law, and fulfill it by the Spirit, which Jesus is our example to live a life like He did.

That is why the Son is the judge of all humanity because He is a human that did right by God and everyone has to live up to His standard to be able to dwell with God, which we can do by the Spirit.

And there is no excuse for if a person hates sin, and does not want sin, by the Spirit they can abstain from sin.

Saying we cannot abstain from sin, and we sin daily, and sin does not affect our relationship with God does not cut it, and is not true.

For the Bible says by the Spirit we can abstain from sin, and Paul said if he does not keep under his body, keeps it in subjection, abstains from sins, he will be a castaway, which the definition means morally shipwrecked.

Many people say they cannot abstain from sins, and sin daily, and sin does not affect their relationship with God, and when someone says we have to abstain from sins, and act Christlike, they say they are saying they are sinless, which they are not saying that and not giving glory to themselves, but saying they have to be led of the Spirit and do the will of God, which is to obey His moral commandments.

Which the Bible says the Lord knows them that are His having this seal, for this is what seals them, and how they are led of the Spirit, that everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

And the Bible says some have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof, ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, and it points out their sins, which they are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God, which they love the worldly ways, and fleshy pleasures, spending money for their wants, and loving money and material things for their wants.

Which the Bible says love not the world or the things in the world, for if a person does the love of the Father is not in them.

There is too many people that are relaxed in their walk with God, but the Bible says if a person thinks they stand take heed lest they fall, for when a person thinks they cannot fall then they tend to get relaxed in the walk with God and hold unto sin, and are hypocritical.

Which the Bible says work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, but they want to put it on Jesus and try to escape the responsibility they have to be right before God, for it first comes from them to want to do right before the Spirit will lead them.

Which there is no difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament, for if a person does not continue in the goodness of God then they will be cut off, and like those in the wilderness to not act like those that were rebellious which they departed from God by the deceitfulness of sins.

It seems like those who think that sin does not affect their relationship with God would rather the people who claim Christ were sinning than acting like Christ so they can point their finger and say we told you that you cannot abstain from sins, and it does not make them look bad.

Which is strange that some people that claim to be with Christ would rather a person not act right than act right, which acting right is pleasing to God.

But we should have patience but sometimes we do not, because not only this subject but any subject, when you keep pointing out the truth of the Bible and they ignore it even when the Bible proclaims it then it might get on your nerves and you respond in a manner of why don't you get you idiot.

An example is people that think that the 70 weeks is fulfilled in Daniel chapter 9, and the fulness of the Gentiles have come in was in the past, and God bringing back the captivity of the house of Jacob, all 12 tribes was the Babylonian captivity.

But it is not true they have been fulfilled and it is not true it was in the past.

For Israel as a nation has 70 weeks to make an end of sins, and anoint the lost holy, which means to accept Jesus as their Messiah, which they have not done yet, so the 70 weeks could of not been fulfilled, which there is 1 more week to go.

And Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, which when the fulness of the Gentiles are come in then God will right away turn the nation of Israel to the truth, but we see that Israel as a nation is not in the truth so the fulness of the Gentiles could not of come in yet.

Which there is many Jews that accept Jesus, but God personally will turn Israel as a nation to the truth in the future.

And God will bring back the captivity of the house of Jacob, all 12 tribes, and leave none of them in the nations anymore, and they will know the LORD their God from that day forward, and He will never hide His face from them again.

Which means Israel will be in the truth from that time forward and never fall out of the truth, which we see is not true, for if it was the Babylonian captivity then Israel would of been in the truth from that time forward, and would of never rejected Jesus.

And it is plain and simple, and not obscure to understand in the Bible.

But it does not matter for some people will still not believe it which the Bible says one can rise from the dead and tell them the truth and some would not believe it once they want to believe what they want to believe, and will still say it is in the past even though it is plain that is in the future.

And so it is with people that believe they cannot abstain from sins, and sin does not affect their relationship with God, for it does not matter what you say and what the Bible proclaims, they still will believe what they want to believe.

Which the Bible testifies against them a lot but they will not believe it.

I know a person from work, an atheist, that I would rather hang around than the hypocrites claiming Christ, and that is why people get short with people, because the Bible proclaims something and they say not so, even if it is all through the Bible.

God plainly stated that He wants all people to repent, and come to the truth, and be saved, and is not willing that anyone perish, but all be saved, and the Spirit and bride say anybody can have that salvation, and Jesus lights every person that is born in this world.

And they say it is not true.

It can get on some people's nerves.
 

JaumeJ

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Because of my vision would it be possible for you to reword your post in a shorter version, otherwise I could take it to text-to-voice later. God bless you.

Oh, I did read the last lines as best I am able and I too want all souls to be save. If I have somehow given you a different impression it was not intended with my poste text. Perhaps if you thing this you could be more specific?