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Slayer said:
I would suggest you were never a true believer, a true believer never falls away. He remains faithful until the end.
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Many Christian's have "walked away from God" during thier lives for one reason or another..thank God He's patient (prodigal son) and waits for us to return back to Him..we don't lose our salvation just because we aren't doing God's will 24/7 in our lives..He doesn't love us any less..so yes..you can STILL be a "true believer" in spite of yourself...
 
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Jewel5712 said:
I'm truly sorry that you haven't Heard God's voice..several people have..God can use whatever means He wants to communicate with people..who are YOU to tell Him what He can and can't do?
And..just because people think differently than you doesn't make it WRONG..just different...people might not THINK thier beliefs are wrong so why conceed and say they don't know?
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We are told in Gods Word to make our yes, yes and our no, no. Anything apart from these is of the Devil, so words like might are of the Devil.

Our pastor told us to watch out for those who say that God spoke to them, we know that God doesn't speak to anyone anymore. He finished speaking 2000 years ago, He told us that many would come after Him to deceive people.
He told us to take heed that we aren't deceived by them, so i would warn you to stay away from those who claim that God speaks to them.
 
Slayer said:
We are told in Gods Word to make our yes, yes and our no, no. Anything apart from these is of the Devil, so words like might are of the Devil.

Our pastor told us to watch out for those who say that God spoke to them, we know that God doesn't speak to anyone anymore. He finished speaking 2000 years ago, He told us that many would come after Him to deceive people.
He told us to take heed that we aren't deceived by them, so i would warn you to stay away from those who claim that God speaks to them.
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So..I take it..in prayer with God YOU are the only one speaking? Lol...
 
Jewel5712 said:
Many Christian's have "walked away from God" during thier lives for one reason or another..thank God He's patient (prodigal son) and waits for us to return back to Him..we don't lose our salvation just because we aren't doing God's will 24/7 in our lives..He doesn't love us any less..so yes..you can STILL be a "true believer" in spite of yourself...
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Sadly many here don't believe that true believers will never lose their salvation, they believe that we can lose our salvation. The bible is very clear that true believers are saved by God Himself, He is the One who chooses who will be saved and who will be left in their sin.

So if God decides to save a person, they are saved no matter what they do or don't do. God never fails in anything He sets out to achieve, but so many here believe that salvation is by man choosing to believe and it has nothing to do with God.

Most "Christians" don't believe the Bible when it speaks about predestination and election, they twist those scriptures and change their meaning to propagate their free choice view. They believe salvation is only for those who choose to believe the Gospel and those who don't will go to hell. They don't believe that faith is a gift, they believe that only those with a high enough IQ will work out that salvation is a better offer than hell
 
Slayer said:
Sadly many here don't believe that true believers will never lose their salvation, they believe that we can lose our salvation. The bible is very clear that true believers are saved by God Himself, He is the One who chooses who will be saved and who will be left in their sin.

So if God decides to save a person, they are saved no matter what they do or don't do. God never fails in anything He sets out to achieve, but so many here believe that salvation is by man choosing to believe and it has nothing to do with God.

Most "Christians" don't believe the Bible when it speaks about predestination and election, they twist those scriptures and change their meaning to propagate their free choice view. They believe salvation is only for those who choose to believe the Gospel and those who don't will go to hell. They don't believe that faith is a gift, they believe that only those with a high enough IQ will work out that salvation is a better offer than hell
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I believe a person has freedom of choice to accept or reject God..God already KNOWS who will do what but He doesn't force it manipulate .He died for ALL..not just the "elected' (which used to be the Jews)..
 
Slayer said:
Sadly many here don't believe that true believers will never lose their salvation, they believe that we can lose our salvation. The bible is very clear that true believers are saved by God Himself, He is the One who chooses who will be saved and who will be left in their sin.

So if God decides to save a person, they are saved no matter what they do or don't do. God never fails in anything He sets out to achieve, but so many here believe that salvation is by man choosing to believe and it has nothing to do with God.

Most "Christians" don't believe the Bible when it speaks about predestination and election, they twist those scriptures and change their meaning to propagate their free choice view. They believe salvation is only for those who choose to believe the Gospel and those who don't will go to hell. They don't believe that faith is a gift, they believe that only those with a high enough IQ will work out that salvation is a better offer than hell
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Ephesians 2:8-9 New International Version (NIV)
8 For it is by grace you have been saved,through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
 
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Slayer said:
... if God decides to save a person, they are saved no matter what they do or don't do. God never fails in anything He sets out to achieve, but so many here believe that salvation is by man choosing to believe and it has nothing to do with God.
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That is a false dichotomy (at least one!). You seem to be presenting a Calvinist viewpoint, one which has God rewarding people for something they did not do, and punishing others for something they had no say in... and one which conveniently ignores the fact that Scripture unequivocally states that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, and that God desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
 
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Slayer said:
Phil 2:3 is obviously referring to our relationship to other true believers, so it's advising is Saints of God to be humble towards each other and count them as more significant because the one who seeks to be the greatest will be humiliated.

We are not perfect, so we still need to encourage each other to remain firm in their faith. It's not prideful to declare that you are a true believer and point out errors in other who claim to be believers, a true believer will thank you for rebuking him while a fool or hypocrite will take offense.
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Hmm, interesting. Well I AM a true believer. So, according to your POV. If you don't agree with my Scripture understanding, what does that make you?
 
Slayer said:
So our problem is with our identity, we are fallen sinners living in corrupt bodies of death. We continue to struggle against our flesh until we die and receive our perfect glorified sinless bodies.
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Why don't you ask your pastor about James 1:12 and ask him to explain to you how you can overcome that "pre existing condition" which "automatically responds by committing adultery". Listen to your pastor as he explains that we have the ability to endure the temptation without falling into sin, in which case James 1:12 tells us Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

James 1:12 is just as much a part of the Bible as whatever verse you're relying on to claim "we are all murderers and adulterers". And you're certainly not listening to me as I try to help you overcome your "pre existing condition" which "automatically responds by committing adultery"

As for myself, I'll continue to rely on God to perfect, establish, strengthen, settle me as I endure the sufferings of this present evil world.

 
Slayer said:
God never speaks too us, so you are wrong about that to begin with.

God has spoken to mankind through His Word the Holy Bible, there is only one message for all of mankind. He has said everything He had to say so He doesn't speak to us anymore, His message is simple and it applies to all of mankind.

I know we are all at different stages of our race, so we need to be patient with those who are still on milk. I just don't like people making claims without being sure about what they are claiming. It's much better to say, I don't know than to hold to a false belief or understanding about a particular doctrine.
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You mean like the false belief that God doesn't speak to us?

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me

You have a lot to learn, my friend. Your words are correct in many ways, but you don't follow your own words. They witness against you. I hope you discover Jesus' righteous and not this self-righteous attitude that lifts you above others. And if you desire to correct people, which is fine, also be open to correction yourself. Or else you might be the hypocrite Jesus speaks of. Focusing on specks in people's eyes while ignoring the log in your own.
 
Jewel5712 said:
I believe a person has freedom of choice to accept or reject God..God already KNOWS who will do what but He doesn't force it manipulate .He died for ALL..not just the "elected' (which used to be the Jews)..
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I'm not interested in you private, fallen, sinful, narrow view. It's not Biblical at all so I can only assume you heard this from Demons, it's the doctrine of Demons because it's antiChrist. Christ never taught anything of the sort and the Bible teaches the very opposite
 
Jewel5712 said:
Ephesians 2:8-9 New International Version (NIV)
8 For it is by grace you have been saved,through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
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Thank you for affirming what I've been saying all along, salvation is of the Lord. It has nothing to do with us, so the saved can never lose their salvation because the Lord never fails thank you :) but you seem to have contradicted yourself here so hmmm sus!
 
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That is a false dichotomy (at least one!). You seem to be presenting a Calvinist viewpoint, one which has God rewarding people for something they did not do, and punishing others for something they had no say in... and one which conveniently ignores the fact that Scripture unequivocally states that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, and that God desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
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You have obviously been deceived by someone, none of that is Biblical. You are saying that god is a big loser and a liar, you say he wishes to save the whole world so he's a loser because most are going to hell and then you say he desires all men to be saved but he turns around and casts the majority into hell so that makes him a liar.

Yeah, I kinda don't believe in your god. I will stick with the One in thew Bible, thanks anyway but you can have him all to yourself o_O

My God doesn't punish people for something they had no say in, He casts those who don't know Him into hell to be tormented for all eternity. Jesus did not die for the whole world, He only died for the elect. You seem to have a problem with the God of the Bible?
 
Cee said:
Hmm, interesting. Well I AM a true believer. So, according to your POV. If you don't agree with my Scripture understanding, what does that make you?
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I have seen no evidence that you are a Saint of God, so I can't accept you until I am convinced.
 
Slayer said:
I have seen no evidence that you are a Saint of God, so I can't accept you until I am convinced.
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That is a pretty big statement considering you nor I cannot see his heart and what it yearns for or doesn't yearn for. Just because one does not believe in the doctrines of the reformed church does not mean he or she cannot be saved, that my friend would be a false statement.
 
reneweddaybyday said:
Why don't you ask your pastor about James 1:12 and ask him to explain to you how you can overcome that "pre existing condition" which "automatically responds by committing adultery". Listen to your pastor as he explains that we have the ability to endure the temptation without falling into sin, in which case James 1:12 tells us Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

James 1:12 is just as much a part of the Bible as whatever verse you're relying on to claim "we are all murderers and adulterers". And you're certainly not listening to me as I try to help you overcome your "pre existing condition" which "automatically responds by committing adultery"

As for myself, I'll continue to rely on God to perfect, establish, strengthen, settle me as I endure the sufferings of this present evil world.
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Here you go, plucking out a verse and creating a new denomination from it. How about we embrace the whole counsel of the Lord to guide us. How about interpreting scriptures in their intended context, I could easily destroy that verse with other verses which contradict it if that's what I wanted to do.

Don't fool yourself into trusting in your own righteousness, don't believe that you can endure temptation because you never know when you may commit serious sins like murder or adultery. Remember some of Gods greatest men committed murder and adultery, so imagine how much more vulnerable a weak and insignificant person as yourself is.
 
Slayer said:
My God doesn't punish people for something they had no say in
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Really?

Aren't you the one who stated:

"We believe God created certain people without the ability to come to a saving knowledge of God and respond by believing the Gospel."​

Your statement that "[your] God doesn't punish people for something they had no say in" contradicts your statement that "we believe God created certain people without the ability to come to a saving knowledge of God and respond by believing the Gospel".

So is it now your claim that those who "God created ... without the ability to come to a saving knowledge of the God and respond by believing the Gospel" will not be cast into the lake of fire???

 
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