12 Signs You Are A Modern-Day Pharisee

[JustFaith]

You were doing good until you got to this part:


If a person stops believing they will lose their salvation.

So Jesus must give you temporal life and you can perish also you must not be sealed with the holy Spirit until the day of redemption either the Gifts and promises of God are not ye and amen, the comferter should not abide with you forever, God will lose his own and man can pluck you out of his hand? No I believe the Bible WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH HATH (presently) EVERLASTING LIFE and SHALL NOT PERISH

 

[Ralph-]

So Jesus must give you temporal life and you can perish also you must not be sealed with the holy Spirit until the day of redemption either the Gifts and promises of God are not ye and amen, the comferter should not abide with you forever, God will lose his own and man can pluck you out of his hand? No I believe the Bible WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH HATH (presently) EVERLASTING LIFE and SHALL NOT PERISH

Read your own post....those who BELIEVETH have the promises. The promises are conditioned on continued believing. You can't be in unbelief about the Son of God and have salvation at the same time. 'Taint gonna happen.

 

[JustFaith]

Read your own post....those who BELIEVETH have the promises. The promises are conditioned on continued believing. You can't be in unbelief about the Son of God and have salvation at the same time. 'Taint gonna happen.

2 Timothy 2:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Sounds like God remains faithful even when we dont
Once youre born again God will always be your father. This is good news!

 

[CS1]

It sounds like you're saying they were not blaspheming the Holy Spirit because they didn't know it was the Holy Spirit for it to be blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

That is right, Jesus was admonishing them. This is why Jesus is the only one who speaks about this sin. the sin is equating the work of the Holy Spirit to the devil. This sin is of understanding. The Pharisees were attacking Jesus but did not know what they were asserting. Jesus then warned them. Matthew 23 Jesus calls them Hypocrites Repeatedly. In the statement of The Lord here is the third person, He did not say YOU Blasphemer's of the Holy Spirit no; the language is "whoever" not "you did". There is nothing to suggest these same Pharisees could be saved at a later time as Jesus had not yet Died and rose again. If your take on this is correct they had no hope of salvation. I do not see that in the language of this Chapter. Words matter. Grammatically and How Jesus did speak is very telling.

 

[CS1]

That is right, Jesus was admonishing them. This is why Jesus is the only one who speaks about this sin. the sin is equating the work of the Holy Spirit to the devil. This sin is of understanding. The Pharisees were attacking Jesus but did not know what they were asserting. Jesus then warned them. Matthew 23 Jesus calls them Hypocrites Repeatedly. In the statement of The Lord here is the third person, He did not say YOU Blasphemer's of the Holy Spirit no; the language is "whoever" not "you did". There is nothing to suggest these same Pharisees could be saved at a later time as Jesus had not yet Died and rose again. If your take on this is correct they had no hope of salvation. I do not see that in the language of this Chapter. Words matter. Grammatically and How Jesus did speak is very telling.

If you would like more proof I will leave you with this " HE new their Thoughts".

 

[Ralph-]

2 Timothy 2:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Sounds like God remains faithful even when we dont

Yes, but if you deny him he will deny you.


12If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;

13If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself."-2 Timothy 2:12-13


Freegrace doctrine fails to see the distinction that Paul makes between being faithless and denying him. You can be a believer who is unfaithful to the Lord (we all are that at one time or another) and you remain saved. What you can not do is go back to unbelief and still be saved. Paul makes it clear that if you do that he will deny you.

 

[JustFaith]

Yes, but if you deny him he will deny you.


12If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;

13If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself."-2 Timothy 2:12-13


Freegrace doctrine fails to see the distinction that Paul makes between being faithless and denying him. You can be a believer who is unfaithful to the Lord (we all are that at one time or another) and you remain saved. What you can not do is go back to unbelief and still be saved. Paul makes it clear that if you do that he will deny you.

If we have obeyed the Gospel we've done the will of the Father and have not denied him. You're not too sure on salvation and no spiritual discernment in the word you seem to think that something we do plays a part in salvation in which case makes you an unbeliever. Repent (change your mind) and BELIEVE. Is the OFFENCE of the cross getting to you? BTW GRACE IS FREE so it is a correct doctrine. You can go back into unbelief after salvation and still be saved. OSAS, remember the passage
2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. That is his Spirit is within us. God is a SPIRIT. Youre quoting outta some perverted new age Bible that isn't the KJV that could be why you're so confused.

 

[CS1]

If we have obeyed the Gospel we've done the will of the Father and have not denied him. You're not too sure on salvation and no spiritual discernment in the word you seem to think that something we do plays a part in salvation in which case makes you an unbeliever. Repent (change your mind) and BELIEVE. Is the OFFENCE of the cross getting to you? BTW GRACE IS FREE so it is a correct doctrine. You can go back into unbelief after salvation and still be saved. OSAS, remember the passage
2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. That is his Spirit is within us. God is a SPIRIT. Youre quoting outta some perverted new age Bible that isn't the KJV that could be why you're so confused.

you guys trying to take over my Post ? I an't going have it take that OSAS scubala to your own post.

Thank you,

 

[JustFaith]

you guys trying to take over my Post ? I an't going have it take that OSAS scubala to your own post.

Thank you,

Sorry bro Its all good I aint scared of getting tossed outta the synagogue btw that "scubala" is your only hope

 

[CS1]

Sorry bro Its all good I aint scared of getting tossed outta the synagogue btw that "scubala" is your only hope

Jesus is my only hope nothing more nothing less .

 

[CS1]

Sorry bro Its all good I aint scared of getting tossed outta the synagogue btw that "scubala" is your only hope

this an't know synagogue but most Pharisees think it is .

 

[Ralph-]

You're not too sure on salvation and no spiritual discernment in the word you seem to think that something we do plays a part in salvation in which case makes you an unbeliever. Repent (change your mind) and BELIEVE.

Uh, that would be me doing something. And that's the thing I've been saying you must do to remain saved. Do you people ever listen to yourselves?

Is the OFFENCE of the cross getting to you?

Believing in the cross is not an offence to the cross. Who told you it was? You even just got through telling me to BELIEVE.

You can go back into unbelief after salvation and still be saved.

My Bible says unbelievers are outside of the kingdom and are going into the lake of fire:

"14Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. 15Outside (of the city) are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying."-Revelation 22:14-15

8“But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”-Revelation 21:8

What license does the ex-believer have that makes it so these passages do not apply to him?

You can go back into unbelief after salvation and still be saved. OSAS, remember the passage
2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. That is his Spirit is within us. God is a SPIRIT. Youre quoting outta some perverted new age Bible that isn't the KJV that could be why you're so confused.

Think, JF, think! Being unfaithful and denying HAVE to be two different things. How do we know that? Because each one has a different outcome.

It is denying him that will result in him denying you, not your unfaithfulness while trusting in Christ. The unfaithful sins of the weak, and ignorant, and foolish believer (meh!) do not cause him to lose his salvation. They won't because he believes in the forgiveness of Christ. But the person who rejects the forgiveness of Christ in a denial of Christ does not have the forgiveness of sin he has denied to cover his sinning. That's why the unfaithful, sinning believer remains saved, while the sinning, Christ denying ex-believer does not remain saved.

 

[Ralph-]

The Lord here is the third person, He did not say YOU Blasphemer's of the Holy Spirit no; the language is "whoever" not "you did".

It is because they said he has an unclean spirit that he said blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is an eternal sin:

28“Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; 29but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”— 30because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”

That means they committed that sin. And that it's a sin that can not be overlooked in any way shape or form. You can be guilty of some sins and it not matter to your eternal salvation, but this is not one of them. Die in that state and you're toast.

 

[garee]

Uh, that would be me doing something. And that's the thing I've been saying you must do to remain saved. Do you people ever listen to yourselves?



Believing in the cross is not an offence to the cross. Who told you it was? You even just got through telling me to BELIEVE.



My Bible says unbelievers are outside of the kingdom and are going into the lake of fire:

"14Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. 15Outside (of the city) are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying."-Revelation 22:14-15

8“But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”-Revelation 21:8

What license does the ex-believer have that makes it so these passages do not apply to him?



Think, JF, think! Being unfaithful and denying HAVE to be two different things. How do we know that? Because each one has a different outcome.

It is denying him that will result in him denying you, not your unfaithfulness while trusting in Christ. The unfaithful sins of the weak, and ignorant, and foolish believer (meh!) do not cause him to lose his salvation. They won't because he believes in the forgiveness of Christ. But the person who rejects the forgiveness of Christ in a denial of Christ does not have the forgiveness of sin he has denied to cover his sinning. That's why the unfaithful, sinning believer remains saved, while the sinning, Christ denying ex-believer does not remain saved.

Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a "good work" in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: Philipians 1:6

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputingshilipians 2:12-14

Why murmur about hyper grace (all grace). God promises he will not forget the good work we have shown towards his name as evidence he has worked in us to both will and do His good pleasure .Its the better thing that does accompany salvation as a imputed righteousness

When believers do deny Christ it is in unbelief (no faith) coming from Christ . (not little but none) When we do deny him in unbelief (no faith) he will deny the closeness of the relationship we do have when we do mix faith or believe God as spoken of Hebrew 4.

Therefore we can enter His sabbath (rest) for our own works. Christ cannot deny he began the good work of salvation in us. Having drank the cup wrath in our stead .

He who dwells in these earthen bodies of dearth us calls us to repent and ease ourselves. If he has not called us to turn towards him not seen we will not ease ourselves by repenting. As always he must do the first works

2 Timothy 2:12-14 King James Version (KJV) If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
If we believe not, (no faith) yet he abideth faithful: he cannot (impossible) deny himself Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

 

[garee]

It is because they said he has an unclean spirit that he said blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is an eternal sin:

28“Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; 29but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”— 30because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”

That means they committed that sin. And that it's a sin that can not be overlooked in any way shape or form. You can be guilty of some sins and it not matter to your eternal salvation, but this is not one of them. Die in that state and you're toast.

We have a good example of a believer denying Christ in unbelief (no faith not little none)

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mathew16:22-23

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

It was because Peter blasphemed against the Son of man seen that he was forgiven . The Son of man finished his work of demonstrating outwardly the work of the Spirit of Christ not seen.

Today blasphemy against the Son of God as the Holy Spirit not seen will not be forgiven .

2 Corinthians 5:16-17 King James Version Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new

We walk by faith. The temporal pertaining to the flesh of Christ will not appear again. This is as if God was a man as us to begin with .

Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come

 

[CS1]

It is because they said he has an unclean spirit that he said blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is an eternal sin:

28“Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; 29but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”— 30because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”

That means they committed that sin. And that it's a sin that can not be overlooked in any way shape or form. You can be guilty of some sins and it not matter to your eternal salvation, but this is not one of them. Die in that state and you're toast.

nope wrong.

 

[Ralph-]

nope wrong.

I'll just go with what the scriptures plainly say.

 

[JustFaith]

Uh, that would be me doing something. And that's the thing I've been saying you must do to remain saved. Do you people ever listen to yourselves?



Believing in the cross is not an offence to the cross. Who told you it was? You even just got through telling me to BELIEVE.



My Bible says unbelievers are outside of the kingdom and are going into the lake of fire:

"14Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. 15Outside (of the city) are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying."-Revelation 22:14-15

8“But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”-Revelation 21:8

What license does the ex-believer have that makes it so these passages do not apply to him?



Think, JF, think! Being unfaithful and denying HAVE to be two different things. How do we know that? Because each one has a different outcome.

It is denying him that will result in him denying you, not your unfaithfulness while trusting in Christ. The unfaithful sins of the weak, and ignorant, and foolish believer (meh!) do not cause him to lose his salvation. They won't because he believes in the forgiveness of Christ. But the person who rejects the forgiveness of Christ in a denial of Christ does not have the forgiveness of sin he has denied to cover his sinning. That's why the unfaithful, sinning believer remains saved, while the sinning, Christ denying ex-believer does not remain saved.

Its UNBELIEF If you obey the gospel your are ETERNALLY SECURE. There is NO condemnation in Christ. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit UNTIL THE DAY OF REDEMPTION. You are in UNBELIEF bc you think sin can send you to hell. MY Bible says Jesus paid for the sins of the WORLD so there are no more sins to pay for. So why do people go to hell if all sins are paid? UNBELIEF! To say you believe Jesus gives ETERNAL LIFE TO EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES but they can lose it bc of sin is UNBELIEF bc then you believe Jesus didnt really pay the sin debt and you have to endure/bear fruit/give money/be baptized ect.. (adding to grace).. You trust the Gospel ONCE and you are past from death to life, sealed with the Holy Spirit UNTIL THE DAY OF REDEMPTION, born a child of God, and PRESENTLY POSSES ETERNAL LIFE. ETERNAL LIFE IS NOT TEMPORAL LIFE

 

[CS1]

I'll just go with what the scriptures plainly say.

please do and know that your idea of them blasphemying the Holy Spirit is not said in Luke or Matthew in context to the Pharisees.

 

[CS1]

They were calling the Holy Spirit a lying spirit. I will show you where John says that is calling the Holy Spirit a liar. The very same thing the Pharisees were doing.



Yes, they were calling the Holy Spirit working through Jesus a lying spirit of the devil. Notice the sin is not against Jesus, but against the Holy Spirit.



Notice, in context, how broad the definition is that Jesus gave for blaspheming the Holy Spirit:

"whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit"-Matthew 12:32

There's more than one way to speak against the Holy Spirit. You can call Him a lying spirit of the devil performing miracles masquerading as the Spirit of God as the Pharisees did, or you can call Him a liar by simply rejecting the gospel:

6"It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
10The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony (of the Holy Spirit) in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him (the Holy Spirit) a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son."-1 John 5:6,10

The bottom line is, whether it's the Spirit's testimony in signs and wonders (see Hebrews 2:4), or the Spirit's voice in your heart calling you to the gospel (see above), rejecting the Holy Spirit's testimony is what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is all about.