Why do people belong to denominations in which they don't believe in?
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Like any relationship when people stop doing the work and do not press on there can be no mutual fruit.
The Holy Spirit describes that as neither being hot on fire for the lord or so cold that he must send us a spirit of repentance to ease ourselves . lest he vomit us from his mouth like those who have "no faith" .
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries .Hebrews 10 :26=27
It will not devour those he calls to repentance.
The Holy Spirit describes that as neither being hot on fire for the lord or so cold that he must send us a spirit of repentance to ease ourselves . lest he vomit us from his mouth like those who have "no faith" .
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries .Hebrews 10 :26=27
It will not devour those he calls to repentance.
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There you go, the making of "socialistic religious philosophies." Mutual Fruit? Egadz man! What you are describing is what today's churches have become!
"Because I don't have such and such "Spiritual Gift", YOU, can't have it either? And so, goes the downwards spiral of Apostasy! A man's "ego", whether separately, or collectively, makes for some "mighty STRANGE bedfellows!" This is rather "expected" OF the world! Indeed! It is what (supposedly) we as Christ Men, are (supposedly) taught, from the scriptures, and in turn, strive and teach our children to fight and strive against!
What "happens?", and what has happened over the course of many years, is that "parishioners", tend to put, or lay each one of their "personal" burdens, in the hands of their preacher, pastor, priest, bishop, etc. etc., like they are leaving them at the "foot of the Cross of Christ! Which, is agreeably, what one is supposed to do when becoming a Christian!
What has happened, and I believe continues to occur, is that now, this "parishioner", feeling the liberty, that comes from "being set free in Christ", goes out running round to find even more burdens, to "lay" at the feet of their pastor, etc. Therefore, NEVER growing, or maturing in the Spirit, and NEVER "Picking UP" their own cross/es! And, much like playing chess with a pigeon? Which lands on the board, knocks over all the pieces, poops on the board, and struts around "acting" like it has WON The Game!
NOTHING, Could be FURTHER From the TRUTH!
So let's talk about "cesessionism, inerrancy, rapture, once saved always saved." The likes of which, any of these "God in a box", doctrines of men, when encountered by goodly men of God, would walk out of such an assemblage, in saddened amazement, remarking: "Just WHAT GOD, or WHOSE god, are these people worshiping!" Nothing short of what the children of Israel done at the foot of Mt. Sinai! Or, the "making of a god in an image, that seems/FEELS right, in their own eyes, and worshiping THAT!"
The good news is, this is NOTHING NEW! The bad news is, it's NOT the WAY, nor the TRUTH, nor, the LIFE! Nor, is it the WAY TO the Father!
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
There are good gospel preaching churches. The sub denominations and independent churches still preach the gospel. Each denomination has its distinctives they adhere to. I have yet find a church I totally agree with ALL of the standards. I am Reformed in my view and have been an elder and deacon in 3 Reformed theology churches. Moved twice by my ompany.
Yeah! I've read your "credentials", several times, in your postings. And yet, have not seen much, if any illumination's from your responses, save many a reference to the orthodox prebster's and the westminster confession of faith. Both of which, I find quite "suitable", in classifying as perpetuating, and carrying on "Christianity In Name ONLY." Which? I suppose, is "well enough", for some. And, indeed, may be well enough for you as well! Of which the "boa constrictor tactics" which are become evident, are more telling of a more "sinister nature", in a continual "oppression" of Light! And, one's "seeking" of more light, to grow, then the "tea asher" writhes around like such a snake is wont to do in its hiding from, yet, deflecting light onto itself, in the eyes of men! As the "instead of Christ", and yea, "instead of God", are so beholden to! Go "this way", or that way, instead! Tis much easier, with a lot less personal accountability!
But, seeing how this prebster confession of faith, precludes any other writings, including 2 of which I am familiar with, and are mentioned in the Bible. Enoch, and Jasher, and others of what has been considered in the eyes of men, as "non-inspired" and so, Apocraphal written records, to be so null and non effectual, in furthering one's own Spiritual maturing, has in fact, caused such "Spiritual Atrophy", that it causes, or should cause little wonder, as to the Famine of the END Times. Where, as well as when, the Word of God, has become "void!" It was true back then? It's true today!
Thank GOD.....FOR HIS REMNANT!
Ok....Your turn!
Yeah! I've read your "credentials", several times, in your postings. And yet, have not seen much, if any illumination's from your responses, save many a reference to the orthodox prebster's and the westminster confession of faith. Both of which, I find quite "suitable", in classifying as perpetuating, and carrying on "Christianity In Name ONLY." Which? I suppose, is "well enough", for some. And, indeed, may be well enough for you as well! Of which the "boa constrictor tactics" which are become evident, are more telling of a more "sinister nature", in a continual "oppression" of Light! And, one's "seeking" of more light, to grow, then the "tea asher" writhes around like such a snake is wont to do in its hiding from, yet, deflecting light onto itself, in the eyes of men! As the "instead of Christ", and yea, "instead of God", are so beholden to! Go "this way", or that way, instead! Tis much easier, with a lot less personal accountability!
But, seeing how this prebster confession of faith, precludes any other writings, including 2 of which I am familiar with, and are mentioned in the Bible. Enoch, and Jasher, and others of what has been considered in the eyes of men, as "non-inspired" and so, Apocraphal written records, to be so null and non effectual, in furthering one's own Spiritual maturing, has in fact, caused such "Spiritual Atrophy", that it causes, or should cause little wonder, as to the Famine of the END Times. Where, as well as when, the Word of God, has become "void!" It was true back then? It's true today!
Thank GOD.....FOR HIS REMNANT!
Ok....Your turn!
But, seeing how this prebster confession of faith, precludes any other writings, including 2 of which I am familiar with, and are mentioned in the Bible. Enoch, and Jasher, and others of what has been considered in the eyes of men, as "non-inspired" and so, Apocraphal written records, to be so null and non effectual, in furthering one's own Spiritual maturing, has in fact, caused such "Spiritual Atrophy", that it causes, or should cause little wonder, as to the Famine of the END Times. Where, as well as when, the Word of God, has become "void!" It was true back then? It's true today!
Thank GOD.....FOR HIS REMNANT!
Ok....Your turn!
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Please explain to this forum what is not Biblical about the Canons of Dort and the Westminster Confession. Specifics please. Both make statements with scripture references. The same is true of all denominations. Pick on some other denominations. Their web site usually refers to their doctrinal statements. Talk is cheap. Action is required to back up your assertions. Waiting to hear from you. Probably going to be a long wait.
Please explain to this forum what is not Biblical about the Canons of Dort and the Westminster Confession. Specifics please. Both make statements with scripture references. The same is true of all denominations. Pick on some other denominations. Their web site usually refers to their doctrinal statements. Talk is cheap. Action is required to back up your assertions. Waiting to hear from you. Probably going to be a long wait.
I know it's tough man! Realizing that everything you thought was true concerning spiritual maturity, is wrong!
It's rather understandable though, considering such adherents to traditions of men "creeds", or con/pro/fessions of faith, do "little" more then the carrying on the name, of God, and Christ. Yet, do little "in the trenches" of actual spiritual warfare against "The Rebellion!" Which is an event that in your eyes, has not even happened yet!
Yeah? Tis pretty humbling, isn't it? When one has been CONVICTED!
If these verses from the "horse's mouth", so to speak, and not from some traditions of men, creed, or con/pro/fession of faith, don't give you cause to question, or wonder just what you have been taught, or led to be pursuaded to believe?
Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Then nothing I can say in refuting such, albeit, noble and honorable efforts in carrying on the NAME, is going to help you in overcoming! God can! Should ya ask Him! I can't! Tis above my pay grade!
I know it's tough man! Realizing that everything you thought was true concerning spiritual maturity, is wrong!
It's rather understandable though, considering such adherents to traditions of men "creeds", or con/pro/fessions of faith, do "little" more then the carrying on the name, of God, and Christ. Yet, do little "in the trenches" of actual spiritual warfare against "The Rebellion!" Which is an event that in your eyes, has not even happened yet!
Yeah? Tis pretty humbling, isn't it? When one has been CONVICTED!
If these verses from the "horse's mouth", so to speak, and not from some traditions of men, creed, or con/pro/fession of faith, don't give you cause to question, or wonder just what you have been taught, or led to be pursuaded to believe?
Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Then nothing I can say in refuting such, albeit, noble and honorable efforts in carrying on the NAME, is going to help you in overcoming! God can! Should ya ask Him! I can't! Tis above my pay grade!
It's rather understandable though, considering such adherents to traditions of men "creeds", or con/pro/fessions of faith, do "little" more then the carrying on the name, of God, and Christ. Yet, do little "in the trenches" of actual spiritual warfare against "The Rebellion!" Which is an event that in your eyes, has not even happened yet!
Yeah? Tis pretty humbling, isn't it? When one has been CONVICTED!
If these verses from the "horse's mouth", so to speak, and not from some traditions of men, creed, or con/pro/fession of faith, don't give you cause to question, or wonder just what you have been taught, or led to be pursuaded to believe?
Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Then nothing I can say in refuting such, albeit, noble and honorable efforts in carrying on the NAME, is going to help you in overcoming! God can! Should ya ask Him! I can't! Tis above my pay grade!
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ROTFL
It is obvious to the casual observer that you are an Armenian. You are looking at Calvinist aka Reformed documents. Did you bother to read the associated scripture? From a Calvinist perspective the Armenian documents would be looked at the same way, it is agree to disagree outside of the Apostles Creed. This is outside that document. According to your view all churches preaching the gospel in Reformed theology churches are denying the Bible. Guess what? The Calvinist view of Armenianism is the same to them. This is why the early elders created the Roman creeds and updated it to the Apostles Creed by 312. Everything outside the creed was to agree to disagree. There were many differences of opinion back then. Obviously you don't know the early church history. I went round and round about issues and did a lot of research. Recently researched in depth the Quinquarticular Controversy. Look it up and learn something. Look at all of the diverse gospel preaching denominations an all sides of this and other issues outside of the Apostles Creed. Are you claiming you are right and all the others are wrong? At 73 I have learned the hard way not to be so judgmental.
It is obvious to the casual observer that you are an Armenian. You are looking at Calvinist aka Reformed documents. Did you bother to read the associated scripture? From a Calvinist perspective the Armenian documents would be looked at the same way, it is agree to disagree outside of the Apostles Creed. This is outside that document. According to your view all churches preaching the gospel in Reformed theology churches are denying the Bible. Guess what? The Calvinist view of Armenianism is the same to them. This is why the early elders created the Roman creeds and updated it to the Apostles Creed by 312. Everything outside the creed was to agree to disagree. There were many differences of opinion back then. Obviously you don't know the early church history. I went round and round about issues and did a lot of research. Recently researched in depth the Quinquarticular Controversy. Look it up and learn something. Look at all of the diverse gospel preaching denominations an all sides of this and other issues outside of the Apostles Creed. Are you claiming you are right and all the others are wrong? At 73 I have learned the hard way not to be so judgmental.
I think the same thing happens in independent churches too. Part of it has to do with growing up in a church; the adults are like aunts & uncles and your friends at church are like cousins. You love them almost like family. It's hard to break off. A church is often partly right about what they believe and practice and if you're not as versed in Scripture as them, you feel like you're rebelling against God if you don't conform.
The blind man in John 9 got cast out of the synagogue for being honest about his beliefs and standing up to his religious leaders when he thought they were in error. His parents weren't that straight-forward with them. But it was him that Jesus sought out afterwards. Although he had to pay a price, I doubt he ever regretted not faking it.
The blind man in John 9 got cast out of the synagogue for being honest about his beliefs and standing up to his religious leaders when he thought they were in error. His parents weren't that straight-forward with them. But it was him that Jesus sought out afterwards. Although he had to pay a price, I doubt he ever regretted not faking it.