The prodigal son?

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Jewel5712

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The prodigal son wanted immediate gratification as some as us do..the faithful son "held down the fort"(loike us..doing Gods work ex teaching sunday school..being a decan etc) for his father..prodigal came back..older son grumbled but BOTH missed the privilage of the RELATIONSHIP with the Father (God).
 
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Is this not these (two brothers) House of Israel, and the House of Judah?

But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
 

Jewel5712

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Is this not these (two brothers) House of Israel, and the House of Judah?

But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Maybe? Dont know?
 

Jewel5712

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The Apostles Creed states what is required to be a Christian. It is a doctrinal document created by the elders in 312 with the earliest copy dating to 390. It also defines anything opposed to it as heresy. Before you rant Bible only keep in mind Bibles were extremely expensive and rare since they were copied by hand taking months to copy. Short doctrinal statements people could memorize was how Biblical concepts were passed on to the mostly illerate population. You always rant Bible only. Tell the board how before the printing press that was fesable.

I get very tired of your blindness to others different opinions. Part of the Apostles Creed was the concept by the elders creating it was and is agree to disagree outside of it. All of the different gospel preaching denominations today are testimony to this agree to disagree.

In this post you make assertions that there are disagreements about. Suck it up and live with the disagreements.
Lol..all your "hot air" bout others and you didnt even answer the OPs question :/
 
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Questions???

If you left the Lord's house to venture in this world (for what ever reason) what inheritance would you ask for? Or receive?

This father did not look for his son. Jesus said he would seek out the one that strayed.
 

Jewel5712

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Questions???

If you left the Lord's house to venture in this world (for what ever reason) what inheritance would you ask for? Or receive?

This father did not look for his son. Jesus said he would seek out the one that strayed.
Who are you addressing potter?
 

Jewel5712

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Questions???

If you left the Lord's house to venture in this world (for what ever reason) what inheritance would you ask for? Or receive?

This father did not look for his son. Jesus said he would seek out the one that strayed.
He didnt go OUT and seek for him..but he WATCHED for his sons return daily..:)
 

Nehemiah6

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Is this not these (two brothers) House of Israel, and the House of Judah?

But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
This is a misapplication of Scripture. The lost son, the lost coin, and the lost sheep all have applications to all sinners, since all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
 
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I would like it if you saints would give a brief summary on this well known story.
Traditional teachings would have it captioned as the prodigal son or lavish son.....is there more to it??
The prodigal son is typical of the sinner who "comes to himself" after having turned away from God to go his own selfish sinful way. The prodigal son was lost and unaware of his plight until after the Holy Spirit helped him reason about his condition and thus find motivation to seek God in humility that he never had before.

God gives grace to the humble. God gives grace to those who come to Him acknowledging their morally bankrupt sinful condition. The prodigal's brother did not have that humility and that brings into doubt whether his relationship with the Father was of value or not.
 
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This is a misapplication of Scripture. The lost son, the lost coin, and the lost sheep all have applications to all sinners, since all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
All sinners of course... however, there is a deeper meaning Yeshua came first to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. At the time He spoke this parable, who was His audience? Where did He send the apostles?

Matt 10:5These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

The Lost sheep of the House of Israel is the Prodigal son.
 

Nehemiah6

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The Lost sheep of the House of Israel is the Prodigal son.
Unlike the Prodigal, the house of Israel DID NOT repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. So what you say is totally false.

Instead Israel called for His crucifixion, and said "His blood be upon our heads, and our childrens'".
 

Shamah

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Unlike the Prodigal, the house of Israel DID NOT repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. So what you say is totally false.

Instead Israel called for His crucifixion, and said "His blood be upon our heads, and our childrens'".
Isaiah 45:17-25, “17 Yisra’ĕl shall be saved by יהוה with an everlasting deliverance. You are not to be ashamed nor hurt, forever and ever."18 For thus said יהוה, Creator of the heavens, He is Elohim, Former of earth and its Maker, He established it, He did not create it to be empty, He formed it to be inhabited: “I am יהוה, and there is none else."19 “I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth. I have not said to the seed of Ya‛aqoḇ, ‘Seek Me in vain.’ I am יהוה, speaking righteousness, declaring matters that are straight."20 “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who have escaped from the nations. No knowledge have they who are lifting up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does not save."21 “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a righteous Ěl and a Saviour, there is none besides Me."22 “Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am Ěl, and there is none else."23 “I have sworn by Myself, a word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, so that to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue swear."24 “One shall say, ‘Only in יהוה do I have righteousness and strength’ – he comes to Him. And all those displeased with Him shall be put to shame."25 “In יהוה all the seed of Yisra’ĕl shall be declared right and boast.”"

John 10:14-17, “I am the good shepherd. And I know Mine, and Mine know Me, (Eze 34:1-31 (all) espescially Eze 34:11-12, Heb 13:20, 1Pe 2:25, 1Pe 5:4) even as the Father knows Me, and I know the Father. And I lay down My life for the sheep. And other sheep I have which are not of this fold – I have to bring them as well, and they shall hear My voice, and there shall be one flock, one shepherd. (Joh 11:52, Eph 2:13-19, Isa 56:8, Eze 34:23, Eze 37:24) Because of this the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life, in order to receive it again.”

Acts 10:34-36, “And opening his mouth, Kĕpha said, “Truly I see that Yah shows no partiality, but in every nation, he who fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him. He sent the word to the children of Yisra’yl, bringing the Good News: peace through יהושע Messiah! He is Master of all."

John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."
 

Nehemiah6

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Isaiah 45:17-25, “17 Yisra’ĕl shall be saved by יהוה with an everlasting deliverance.
More misapplication of Scripture. During the Church Age unbelieving Jews have been judicially blinded because Israel rejected their true Messiah. See Romans 11. However, AFTER the second coming of Christ there will be the redemption and restoration of believing Israel. Also in Romans 11.

For the present the Prodigal represents all sinners who need to repent. More importantly this (and related parables) show us the infinite grace of God, and that there is rejoicing in Heaven over one sinner who repents.

The shepherd rejoiced over one lost sheep, the woman rejoiced over one lost coin, the father rejoiced over one lost son. That is all significant. But the Pharisees represented unbelieving Israel, so God brought judgment upon Jerusalem, Judea, and the Jews in 68-70 AD.
 

Shamah

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More misapplication of Scripture. During the Church Age unbelieving Jews have been judicially blinded because Israel rejected their true Messiah. See Romans 11. However, AFTER the second coming of Christ there will be the redemption and restoration of believing Israel. Also in Romans 11.

For the present the Prodigal represents all sinners who need to repent. More importantly this (and related parables) show us the infinite grace of God, and that there is rejoicing in Heaven over one sinner who repents.

The shepherd rejoiced over one lost sheep, the woman rejoiced over one lost coin, the father rejoiced over one lost son. That is all significant. But the Pharisees represented unbelieving Israel, so God brought judgment upon Jerusalem, Judea, and the Jews in 68-70 AD.
OK I did not comment on the parable being Israyl, it does have parallel and IMO is very possible.

you said "the house of Israel DID NOT repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. "

I was showing you there is some of Israyl that is saved and would therefor have to follow the Messiah...

Those cut out and thrown into the fire I dont think are even considered Israyl, (lo amma)...also to say that Scripture is misapplied for what I was trying to show is wrong, I was simply showing Israyl is saved in YAH. One flock One Shepherd.
 

Nehemiah6

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you said "the house of Israel DID NOT repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. "
And that is true, since the destruction of the temple, Jerusalem, Judea, and the Jews indicated that they brought judgment upon themselves for their unbelief.
 

Shamah

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And that is true, since the destruction of the temple, Jerusalem, Judea, and the Jews indicated that they brought judgment upon themselves for their unbelief.
OK maybe? I misunderstood you?

I was trying to show they will turn to Yah before the end... not they didn;t accept the MEssiah in His time of His 1st coming...
 
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Miri

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I've wondered what would have happen if he remained hardheaded and didn't come to come own senses and kept eating slop.
He would have died of food poisoning.
 
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Miri

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Regarding the lost sheep - the shepherd went to find the sheep.

The lost coin - the woman looked for it.

The lost son - the father didn’t go looking but he waited and watched
every day, expecting his return.

The sheep was caught up it could not free itself.

The coin had no legs or mouth it could not return.

The son was different and also the more prescious of the
three. He had to come to his own senses, but I have a feeling
the father always knew he would, hence the watching and waiting.
A repentant heart who recognises sin and the grace and provision
of the father, has much to be thankful for. Whereas the other son took
everything for granted and didn’t understand the provision and grace of
the father.

There is so much in that parable to understand.
The need for personal repentance.
He who has been forgiven much loves much.

Of course though everyone has been forgiven much, some
just don’t realise it and take it for granted. It’s why some are
Lukewarm. The son who stayed was lukewarm.




Luke 7:41-47 NKJV
[41] "There was a certain creditor who had two debtors.
One owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty.
[42] And when they had nothing with which to repay,
he freely forgave them both. Tell Me, therefore,
which of them will love him more?"

[43] Simon answered and said, "I suppose the one whom
he forgave more." And He said to him, "You have rightly
judged." [44] Then He turned to the woman and said
to Simon, "Do you see this woman? I entered your house;
you gave Me no water for My feet, but she has washed
My feet with her tears and wiped them with the hair of her head.

[45] You gave Me no kiss, but this woman has not ceased
to kiss My feet since the time I came in. [46] You did not
anoint My head with oil, but this woman has anointed My
feet with fragrant oil. [47] Therefore I say to you, her sins,
which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to
whom little is forgiven, the same loves little."
 

Endoscopy

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You use the term "always", but the parable mentions the prodigal son having returned home once and being received by The Father only one time. Had the prodigal son decided to leave home again after having earned some money by working at his father's house for a few years, and then returned again, would the father receive him with open arms once more? And if the situation had repeated itself oncce every few years, would the father keep receiving him back?
I suggest you read what Jesus said about those who accept him as savior. No one can remove them.

John 10 AMPC
24 So the Jews surrounded Him and began asking Him, How long are You going to keep us in doubt and suspense? If You are really the Christ (the Messiah), tell us so plainly and openly.
25 Jesus answered them, I have told you so, yet you do not believe Me [you do not trust Me and rely on Me]. The very works that I do by the power of My Father and in My Father’s name bear witness concerning Me [they are My credentials and evidence in support of Me].
26 But you do not believe and trust and rely on Me because you do not belong to My fold [you are no sheep of Mine].
27 The sheep that are My own hear and are listening to My voice; and I know them, and they follow Me.
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never lose it or perish throughout the ages. [To all eternity they shall never by any means be destroyed.] And no one is able to snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, Who has given them to Me, is greater and mightier than all [else]; and no one is able to snatch [them] out of the Father’s hand.
30 I and the Father are One.
31 Again the Jews brought up stones to stone Him.
32 Jesus said to them, My Father has enabled Me to do many good deeds. [I have shown many acts of mercy in your presence.] For which of these do you mean to stone Me?