Does God love all mankind and does He wish to save everyone

[fredoheaven]

You didn't say you raise yourself from the dead in those words, but what you said was to that effect whereby you will be quickened to life by choosing to believe. The Bible tells us that we were all born dead in our trespasses and sins, so dead people cannot come to life and believe.

Again you can easily choose to dismiss this comment.

Matthew 9: 22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.
Mark 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Luke17:19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.

Note: These “dead” people displayed their own faith, they were made whole by Christ in effect of their faith.

 

[Slayer]

Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Let me interject if you may but you can by choice opt not to response...

Hmm, haven’t you considered being IN him. We are IN him before we are chosen for how one be chosen if one is not IN Him. To me this “choosing” is not FOR salvation, one has to be already IN him before we are chosen. If this is in reference to be destined to become believers before the foundation of the world it is apparent that YOU are not yet there before the foundation of the world!
Now what God has pre-ordained is his intention to saved mankind, it is what the “means” which is being predestined by God and what the MEANS God used “by Jesus Christ, by Christ blood” “at the cross” which is the redeeming act of God.

Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ (MEANS) to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, (MEANS) the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Moreover, in whom (Jesus Christ), we= saved believers already being predestined to obtain inheritance.
Ephesians 1:11 In whom (MEANS)also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

And how to be in HIM?

Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

• Hear the word of truth ie the gospel.
• Trust/ believed the gospel truth

You have added too many assumptions to plain scripture, the Bible interprets the Bible so we should allow it to do just that. We should never attempt to interpret verses in isolation, they should always be understood according to what the rest of the associated scriptures are saying.

I don't agree with you interpretation, because you are using human reasoning to understand a spiritual message. Only those who have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them can correctly understand the Gospel, because it's a spiritual message.

There are thousands of "Christian" denominations, all claiming to posses the truth and yet most don't agree with each other because they have understood the Gospel differently. There is only one Gospel and only one Christ and only one truth and thousands of claiming that their interpretation is the only correct one and yet they proclaim a different Gospel and a different Christ.

Most of the conflicts are around the question of how a person is saved, most teach a man made gospel whereby one is saved by choosing to believe the Gospel. Very few believe that God is the One who chooses who is saved and who is lost, my Church believes this because the Bible teaches it. We are a Bible believing Church, so the Bible is always the final authority over all matters.

Most Churches today, use the Bible as a guide but they don't make it the final authority on all matters. They use human reasoning as you have demonstrated above.

 

[Slayer]

Again you can easily choose to dismiss this comment.

Matthew 9: 22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.
Mark 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Luke17:19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.

Note: These “dead” people displayed their own faith, they were made whole by Christ in effect of their faith.

Yes those dead people responded by believing when they heard the truth, because they were born with the gift of faith so when they hear the Gospel they respond by believing. The reprobate respond by rejecting the Gospel when they hear it, how much simpler must I make it for you before you understand a simple truth.

 

[fredoheaven]

You have added too many assumptions to plain scripture, the Bible interprets the Bible so we should allow it to do just that. We should never attempt to interpret verses in isolation, they should always be understood according to what the rest of the associated scriptures are saying.

I have used the proper context and even word study, no assumption over there, I believe what the Bible says, the plain scriptures say IN him which you just have ignored and the scriptures explicitly says how to be in IN him i.e. hear the Gospel. I use association connected within the context but it seems it was you that have not tried learning by association.

 

[fredoheaven]

I don't agree with you interpretation, because you are using human reasoning to understand a spiritual message. Only those who have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them can correctly understand the Gospel, because it's a spiritual message.

Umm, then show me your exposition on the particular passage that I fully gave unlike your snippet text and then show me why you disagree with mine point by point. Human reasoning, but I thought you are doing the very thing! I believe in the Gospel of Christ which is the power of God unto salvation. Romans 1:16 “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”

 

[fredoheaven]

Most of the conflicts are around the question of how a person is saved, most teach a man made gospel whereby one is saved by choosing to believe the Gospel. Very few believe that God is the One who chooses who is saved and who is lost, my Church believes this because the Bible teaches it. We are a Bible believing Church, so the Bible is always the final authority over all matters.

Most Churches today, use the Bible as a guide but they don't make it the final authority on all matters. They use human reasoning as you have demonstrated above.

That’s a good proposition, the Bible as the FINAL Authority but you have not even come up with one text of your current post i.e. subjective mere human opinion.

2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Prove all things! 1 Thessalonians 5:21

 

[fredoheaven]

Yes those dead people responded by believing when they heard the truth, because they were born with the gift of faith so when they hear the Gospel they respond by believing. The reprobate respond by rejecting the Gospel when they hear it, how much simpler must I make it for you before you understand a simple truth.

Not even close to Jesus says and whose faith is that? Jesus said "Thy faith..." You must be kidding, you are adding what Jesus says.

Prove all things!

 

[Slayer]

Not even close to Jesus says and whose faith is that? Jesus said "Thy faith..." You must be kidding, you are adding what Jesus says.

Prove all things!

I don't add anything to what Jesus said, as you added a whole bunch of baloney in an earlier post.

Who's faith was Jesus talking about???? "thy faith"??? where did you get thy faith??? did you create your own faith???? did you use your IQ to manufacture your faith???? did you discover your faith???? did someone show you how to find faith????

You need to start with the basics before you can get into the deep Biblical stuff, I'm not here to give the basics. You need to ask your pastor or priest to teach you the fundamental basics as it is painfully obvious you don't know them.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

You claim that you are so special that you were born with faith while the poor unbelievers weren't born that special, so you can boast how your faith saved you.

That is not what I believe, nor have I claimed what you state. Go back and read Post #2 in this thread.

And actually, it is your claim that those who are "elect" are the ones who are "born special" while "the poor unbelievers weren't born that special". I also addressed this issue early in this thread (see Post #11 and Post #13 for starters).

 

[Slayer]

That is not what I believe, nor have I claimed what you state. Go back and read Post #2 in this thread.

And actually, it is your claim that those who are "elect" are the ones who are "born special" while "the poor unbelievers weren't born that special". I also addressed this issue early in this thread (see Post #11 and Post #13 for starters).

No, I'm explaining your position since you can't even see what I see about what you believe. You believe in free choice, and you free choice people believe that you are saved by using your ability to believe or whatever else you call that thing that you posses that saves you.

I don't even know what that thing is because every time I mention what you are telling me, you deny it and say it's not that. Well just what is it that saves you, since it's not your faith and it's not your IQ and it's not your special ability to realize that the free offer is too good to pass up.

You tell me now, what it is that saves you free choice people. I have already told you what I believe but you haven't disclosed your magic formula to me.

 

[fredoheaven]

I don't add anything to what Jesus said, as you added a whole bunch of baloney in an earlier post.

Who's faith was Jesus talking about???? "thy faith"??? where did you get thy faith??? did you create your own faith???? did you use your IQ to manufacture your faith???? did you discover your faith???? did someone show you how to find faith????

You need to start with the basics before you can get into the deep Biblical stuff, I'm not here to give the basics. You need to ask your pastor or priest to teach you the fundamental basics as it is painfully obvious you don't know them.

Hmm, i saw the very basic problem you have.
First, you doubt the scripture, the very thing you said it is the Final Authority , the very thing i am in agreement, in English i have the pure words of God in the Kjv.
Second, you deny biblical words just as it is in the given proper context. Giving sense the scripture is biblical way , you can look that in Neh.8:8 and in many New Testament where Paul and others expound the very words of God.
Third you attack biblical reasonig. Currently, you are in contrdiction to what as Paul did, that he reasoned out of the scriptures. Prove all things and as the Beran did to go over the sciptures if it really says.
Fourth, my advice, go the basics in the scriptures not a whole bunch of calvinism or even arminianism. Both are founded in the mere human reasonig but not the logic of faith

 

[fredoheaven]

I don't add anything to what Jesus said, as you added a whole bunch of baloney in an earlier post.

Who's faith was Jesus talking about???? "thy faith"??? where did you get thy faith??? did you create your own faith???? did you use your IQ to manufacture your faith???? did you discover your faith???? did someone show you how to find faith????

You need to start with the basics before you can get into the deep Biblical stuff, I'm not here to give the basics. You need to ask your pastor or priest to teach you the fundamental basics as it is painfully obvious you don't know them.

Again, you assumed too much to iclude priest. You are guilty of so many things. Anyway, this is out of the op. My few learning of history tells me that the pure landmark of the baptist faith did not evovle in the 16th century, that would be too late to be true

 

[Slayer]

Hmm, i saw the very basic problem you have.
First, you doubt the scripture, the very thing you said it is the Final Authority , the very thing i am in agreement, in English i have the pure words of God in the Kjv.
Second, you deny biblical words just as it is in the given proper context. Giving sense the scripture is biblical way , you can look that in Neh.8:8 and in many New Testament where Paul and others expound the very words of God.
Third you attack biblical reasonig. Currently, you are in contrdiction to what as Paul did, that he reasoned out of the scriptures. Prove all things and as the Beran did to go over the sciptures if it really says.
Fourth, my advice, go the basics in the scriptures not a whole bunch of calvinism or even arminianism. Both are founded in the mere human reasonig but not the logic of faith

You are being hypocritical, accusing me of not providing any scriptures to back my claim and then you turn around and do the very thing you accuse me of. That is pure hypocrisy, but it's painfully obvious that you can't refute or argue with anything I have said so you just stoop down to the lowest common denominator and make false accusations and hurl insults.

Well done, you have shown your true colors

 

[reneweddaybyday]

You tell me now, what it is that saves you free choice people. I have already told you what I believe but you haven't disclosed your magic formula to me.

Seriously? There are 20 pages in this thread and I have stated over and over that I believe God allows mankind to reject Him and that mankind rejects God by suppressing the truth in unrighteousness. And now you claim I have not concisely stated what I believe. C'mon Slayer, you need to be honest.


From Post #2

I believe all have "faith" and what happens to those who will find themselves cast into the lake of fire is that they place their faith in something that is not true.

The question is not “does someone have faith”.

The question is “in what do we place our faith”.

The more someone places their faith in (believes) a lie, the worse it is for them.

The atheist places his/her faith in the fact that there is no God. He/she remains weak in faith.

The believer places his/her faith in the Truth that God is the Creator of the heavens and the earth and all that is therein. The believer's faith is strengthened as he/she believes more and more of the Truth of God's Word.




From Post #6

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness.

The word "hold" in Rom 1:18 is the Greek word katechō which means to hold back, restrain, suppress. So when the Word of God is spoken to some people, they restrain it, they suppress it.

The Word is restrained from reaching the heart where God brings increase.

When the Word is not restrained, the Word reaches the heart where God brings increase and faith is strengthened.




From Post #24

Again, God providing to all mankind that which is necessary to come to faith and some rejecting what God has provided does not take "the power of salvation away from God".

It is heartbreaking to me to know there are some who would reject this wonderful gift and this wonderful relationship with God. I cannot imagine the heartbreak to God, Who provided all that is necessary. He gave His Son to die on the cross. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross (Phil 2:8), and yet some, in their foolish pride and love of the temporary lusts of the flesh, throw that away with no thought of the eternal consequence of their actions.




From Post #40

All – believer and unbeliever alike – choose to sin. The difference between the believer and the unbeliever is that the believer has not restrained the truth concerning the Gospel. That truth hit his or her heart and God brings increase.

The unbeliever restrains the truth concerning the Gospel, does not afford him/herself of what God has bestowed upon all mankind, and ends up in the lake of fire because of his/her rejection of God's unspeakable gift.




From Post #42

You neglect the fact that God has placed within each and every person born from time of Adam to this day, and beyond this day, that which is needed to not reject Him. He gave mankind a conscience so they can "hear" when He speaks to them and so they can respond when He "draws" them.




From Post #80

I do not believe as you do. I believe those who reject do so of their own volition and not because God did not give them what is needed to not reject. Just as the invitation to the marriage in Matt 22. The invitees rejected the invitation so the king invited others. Those who attended the marriage were the ones who did not reject the invitation.




From Post #88

Or, God saw in His foreknowledge the fall of man and, therefore, He devised the plan of redemption before the foundation of the world, holds it out to ALL and reveals His eternal power and Godhead to ALL. Those who reject are without excuse (Rom 1:18-20).




From Post #99

John 6:37 - the word “ALL” (Gr. pan) is singular and signifies; the whole of the object qualified. In John 6:37 and 39 the word “ALL” is qualified by all the Father giveth

The Father gives to Jesus all those who do not suppress the truth in unrighteousness (i.e. those who confess Jesus Christ is Lord and who believe God raised Jesus from the dead).

1 Timothy 2:4 - the word “ALL” (Gr. pantas) is plural and refers to all things constituting the whole. ALL men. There is no further qualifying description as in John 6:37, 39. Just all men with no distinction as to whether they are believers or unbelievers.

According to 1 Tim 2:4, God's desire is that all mankind would be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth.

However, because some suppress the truth in unrighteousness, only some believe to the saving of their souls. Those who are saved are the ones who constitute the "ALL" given by the father referred to in John 6:37, 39.




From Post #106

It is a description of the natural man who, though God has revealed His eternal power and Godhead, the natural man suppresses the truth in unrighteousness.

The believer is the one revealed in vs 16: For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth

The one who does not suppress the truth in unrighteousness, is the one who believes the gospel of Christ.

Romans 1:17 For therein [in the gospel of Christ] is the righteousness of God revealed




From Post #110

It is clear from Rom 1:18-20 that some reject that which has been revealed to them, not because God does not want them to believe but because they, of their own volition, reject ... even though the eternal power of God is revealed to them. That is why they are without excuse.

They reject, not because they are not part of some so-called "elect" club you continue to insist upon. They reject because they suppress the truth in unrighteousness. That is why they are without excuse.




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[reneweddaybyday]

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From Post #124

God does not use "spiritual things" to reveal His eternal power and Godhead. God uses the natural physical world to reveal Himself as shown in Scripture (Rom 1:18-20 being one example of God revealing Himself through nature).

The gospel of Christ is not so spiritually complex that natural man cannot grasp its meaning (or its significance).

Those who reject do so of their own volition as they suppress the truth in unrighteousness. Therefore, they are without excuse (Rom 1:18-20).

Those who do not reject do not suppress the truth in unrighteousness. Therefore, they are imputed with God's righteousness (Rom 1:16-17).

When you equate the simplicity of the gospel which everyone can understand (even a child) with those things which are spiritually discerned spoken of in 1 Cor 2:14, you infer that the gospel is so complex that it takes a spiritual PhD to even come to faith in Christ. And that is simply not true.




From Post #134

Don't misconstrue what God is telling us in 1 Cor 2:14 with what God tells us in Rom 1. To do so leads to much error and confusion.

God does not say in Romans 1 that those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness do so because His eternal power and Godhead cannot be understood by natural man. God tells us that when His eternal power and Godhead is revealed through nature, those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened (Rom 1:21).

The same thing goes on today. Instead of looking at creation and giving glory to God for His awesome and magnificent eternal power and Godhead, they sweep God under the carpet and try to explain how the universe and all that is therein evolved and continues to evolve. They are fools. You know this. I know this.

But just because those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness are fools does not mean that the natural man who does not suppress the truth in unrighteousness is not able to see God's eternal power and Godhead in God's creation.




From Post #138

So you are saying that what we see in the natural, physical realm is the same as the spiritual aspect of the milk of the Word?

Again, the natural, physical realm points to the eternal power and Godhead of the Creator. Natural man either suppresses the truth in unrighteousness and rejects God or does not reject the truth in unrighteousness and begins his or her baby-steps in the walk of faith.

If/when natural man suppresses the truth in unrighteousness, he/she becomes foolish, unthankful, vain in imaginations, foolish heart becomes darkened, they turn to idolatry and worship creation more than the Creator.

If/when natural man does not suppress the truth in unrighteousness, he/she starts to seek this God of creation. Not because he or she is now "spiritual" but because the creation proclaims the Creator. That which is invisible is glimpsed by that which is visible. It's not full, spiritual knowledge, but it is enough to pique the interest of the natural man so that he or she starts searching.

And God tells us He will be found if we search for Him with our whole heart.

You are saying it's impossible for the natural man to glean from nature that the Creator exists because you misinterpret 2 Cor 2:14 and claim that the "milk of the Word" which the carnal Christian can understand is the same as the natural, physical realm pointing to the existence of the Creator in Rom 1:19-20. This is not rightly dividing God's Word.




From Post #163

Well, when we "harmonize" 1 John 2:2 with Rom 1:18, we find that those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18), reject the atonement.

When we understand 1 John 2:2 in light of Rom 1:18, we see that it is the unbeliever who rejects Christ's atonement.

Under your doctrine, God rejects Christ's atonement for certain people but accepts Christ's atonement for others.

Under your doctrine, Christ's sacrifice was insufficient to atone for the sins of the whole world.




From Post #307

First of all, I believe salvation is by grace ... and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.

Furthermore, what is incredible is your claim that the "disobedient children of God" described in Romans 1:18-32 are actually "elect" and they will not find themselves cast into the lake of fire even though they perform every evil work which God abhors.




From Post #355

What was God's Will when He told Adam not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

God told Adam not to eat. Adam ate. Does this mean Adam had "more power than God" or that it was God's Will that Adam eat of the tree? Of course not.

God allows mankind to reject and this does not mean that when mankind does not reject it's because that person is doing any "work" to not reject.



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[reneweddaybyday]

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From Post #356

When you claim that the sacrifice of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ covers only "believers", you deny the all encompassing power God has to save all mankind from all sin. Those who reject the Savior will be rejected.




From Post #360

I have shown you from Rom 1 that men reject God as they suppress the truth in unrighteousness and that it is God's desire that all men be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth as shown in 1 Tim 2:4.

Your response to that was to indicate that the "all" in 1 Tim 2:4 refers to believers only. You provided absolutely no Scripture to corroborate your claim.

In effect you add words to 1 Tim 2:4. God could easily have stated that it is His desire that all who believe be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth.

But God didn't add those words and it is incumbent on you to not add to Scripture as you prop up a doctrine never intended by God.

In 1 Tim 2:4, the word "all" is the Greek word pantas (plural) and it refers to all things constituting the whole … "ALL MEN". There is no further qualifying description as you claim/infer. Just "all men" with no distinction as to whether they are believers or unbelievers.

When you add words to Scripture in order to prop up a doctrine not intended by God, you change the Word of God, and end up with an erroneous interpretation of Scripture.

When we understand that God's desire is that "ALL" men be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4) and then further understand that God allows mankind to reject Him as they suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18), we see that there is no conflict between the two verses.

The sacrifice of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is sufficient to cover all the sins of all mankind. The fact that some men end up in the lake of fire is due to their suppressing the truth in unrighteousness and thereby rejecting God's all sufficient grace.




From Post #367

God gives every man, woman, and child what is needed in order to not reject Him.

Those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness and reject in spite of God having given to him or her what is needed will have no excuse when they find themselves cast into the lake of fire.

How about you just admit that God allows mankind to reject Him as they suppress the truth in unrighteousness?

Under your scenario, God gives to the believer and withholds from the unbeliever. This means that the unbeliever has an excuse come judgment day because God withheld something from him/her that would have allowed him/her to believe. God's Word tells us they are without excuse so quit giving them the excuse. It is clear that they suppress of their own volition when they restrain the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18). God does not withhold from them. He reveals His eternal power and Godhead through the natural, physical creation (Rom 1:20).

Unbelievers see the evidence of the Creator and suppress this truth in unrighteousness.

Believers see the evidence of the eternal power and Godhead of the Creator and seek to know more about this "Creator":

Isaiah 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near




From Post #371

I have stated over and over in this thread (and many others) that I believe God allows mankind to reject Him. You cannot deny that some reject God. I have shown you how those who reject God reject ... they suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18). God allows this to occur and those who reject will be dealt with as, how, and when God determines.

God tells us that it is the goodness of God which leads to repentance (Rom 2:4). The goodness of God is on display for all mankind to see and hear and smell and taste and touch. God's love is all encompassing and it is revealed throughout all of His creation. Some reject God and turn from His goodness and they remain unrepentant.

It is your claim that those who remain unrepentant remain so because God did not give them what is needed to repent.

It is my claim that God does give what is needed in order to repent and those who do not repent remain unrepentant because they reject God's goodness as they suppress the truth in unrighteousness. When they suppress the truth in unrighteousness, they are without excuse because God's eternal power and Godhead is fully on display throughout His creation.

God seals us after we are born again ... not before (Ephesians 1:13 In whom [Christ Jesus] ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise). After we hear the word of truth, the gospel of salvation, we trusted in Christ Jesus and believed in Him ... then we were sealed. We were not sealed before we believed.




From Post #375

You claim that I am saying the believer "chooses to believe". Then in the next breath you say "we believe when we hear it". How is that not "choosing to believe"???

And for the record, I have stated over and over and over that the unbeliever suppresses the truth in unrighteousness when he/she hears it (Rom 1:18).

The believer does not suppress the truth in unrighteousness when he/she hears it.

Since faith by hearing and hearing by the Word of God (Rom 10:17), and the believer does not suppress the truth in unrighteousness when he/she hears the Word of God, God brings increase to the believer and faith within the believer is strengthened.




From Post #377

I never stated that "a person is saved by having faith in his faith".

God's Word is clear: Faith by hearing and hearing by Word of God (Rom 10:17).

God's Word is clear: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast (Eph 2:8-9).

 

[Slayer]

They reject, not because they are not part of some so-called "elect" club you continue to insist upon. They reject because they suppress the truth in unrighteousness. That is why they are without excuse.




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I unequivocally reject your view of the Gospel as unbiblical heresy. You need to refute half of the Bible to embrace your man centered gospel. How can you just turn a blind eye to all the scriptures which clearly prove election and predestination as the method God chooses to save a person.

Personal choice doesn't enter the equation, god is sovereign over every single thing that happens in His universe.

How blessed is the one whom You choose and bring near to You
To dwell in Your courts.
We will be satisfied with the goodness of Your house,
Your holy temple.
– Ps 65:4
The Lord has made everything for its own purpose,
Even the wicked for the day of evil.
– Prov 16:4
And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
– Mt 24:31
now, will not God bring about justice for His elect who cry to Him day and night, and will He delay long over them?
– Luke 18:7
So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
And all the Gentiles who are called by My name,’
Says the Lord, who makes these things known from long ago.
– Acts 15:17-18
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
– Romans 8:28- 30
Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies;
– Rom 8:33
for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,
– Romans 9:11
For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
– Romans 9:15-16
God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?
– Rom 11:2
In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace. What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened;
– Romans 11:5-7
but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory;
– 1 Cor 2:7
He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,…
also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,
– Ephesians 1:5,11
knowing, brethren beloved by God, His choice of you;
– 1 Thes 1:4
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
– 2 Thes 2:13
Paul, a bond-servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the faith of those chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness,
– Titus 1:1
according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
– 1 Peter 1:2
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.
– Rev 13:8

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I unequivocally reject your view of the Gospel as unbiblical heresy.

Really? So you do not believe these Scriptures:


Romans 10:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.



1 Corinthians 15:

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

 

[Slayer]

Really? So you do not believe these Scriptures:


Romans 10:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.



1 Corinthians 15:

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

Those scriptures were spoken to the elect of God, they don't apply to the reprobate as you insist they do. The reprobate are not refereed to as brethren so you have taken thew scriptures out of their context again, you do it every time. I really believe you are deceived by the doctrine of Demons!!!!

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Those scriptures were spoken to the elect of God, they don't apply to the reprobate as you insist they do.

Before they were "brethren" Paul taught them the Gospel ... that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.

That is the Gospel Paul preached to the church at Corinth, they received the Gospel, they stand in the Gospel:

1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand


And Romans 10:14 tells us How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

The unbeliever must hear in order to believe and they must believe in order to call on Him.

I really believe you are deceived by the doctrine of Demons!!!!

In your Post #397, you said you "unequivocally reject [my] view of the Gospel as unbiblical heresy".

In my post #398, I submitted what I believe is the Gospel of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

What "gospel" do you preach?