OSAS= House Built on Sand

Seohce · Aug 28, 2018

1 john 2
3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a LIAR, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word,love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him:6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.

revelations 21
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

LIKE ANANIAS AND SAPPHIRA, WHO AFTER ŔECEIVING THE HOLY SPIRIT THROUGH FAITH, LIED TO THE HOLY SPIRIT.

WILL THEY BE CONSIGNED TO THE FIERY LAKE OF BURNING SULFUR?

DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things COMETH THE WRATH OF .GOD ÙPON THE CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE

MAN GOT SEPARATED FROM GOD BECAUSE OF THE SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE WHEN MAN WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT WHO SAID THAT “...Ye shall not surely die.”(genesis 3:4)

DÈCEIVERS OF THIS AGE SAYS THE SAME THING;

“YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE (PERIßH / BE CONDEMNED). ONCE YOU'RE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS ßAVED. JUST HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS (OF RIGHTEOUSNESS / ÒBEDIENCE) AND YOU WILL POSSESS ETERNAL LIFE THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE.

OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES.

"GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED"

"LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR"

Seohce · Aug 28, 2018

The Faith of the Centurion

5 When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.”

7 Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?”

8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But JUST SAY THE WORD., and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”

10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.

IS THIS THE KIND OF FAITH THESE “WALKING DEAD” THEOLOGY TEACHES?

DO THEY ACKNOWLEDGE AUTHORITY WHENEVER THEY SAY THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD IS NEVER A PART OF SALVATION?

romans 13

13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

...DO THEY SAY TO GOD, “JUST SAY THE WORD…?

NO! THEY WOULD REJECT THE WORD AND BELIEVE RATHER ON FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES.

THE LORD JESUS SAID;

matthew 19

17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

john 14

15 “If you love me, keep my commands

luke 6

46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

john 12

47 “If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. 49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. 50 I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

justpassinthrough · Aug 28, 2018

GRASSESANDDRAGONFLIES said:

Read a few more verses.

Don’t stop with one verse.

That is the s what OSAS is built on, one verse taken out of context.

all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—

those who have done good, to the resurrection of life,

and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:24-29

JPT

Slayer · Aug 29, 2018

ljs said:

you have twisted the Bible teaching on giving, back to front. You haven't been taught the truth, your shepherd is a false prophet. You have been indoctrinated with the doctrines of Demons.

You have twisted the scriptures back to front, so you have ended up with the opposite message. That's exactly what the Demons do, they always teach the opposite of Christ. Christ said we give because we have the Holy Spirit indwelling us, as such we do good works like give sacrificially.

I am a Saint of God, my salvation was guaranteed before I was created. I am saved no matter how much I sin or what I do, I already have eternal life and I am saved. So I give out of a sense of gratitude, not because I'm trying to earn my salvation as you falsely accuse me of. I hope you're not a child of the false accuser, He always tries to accuse me and remind me of my sins but to no avail.

All of my good works are done out of love for my Lord, I have sinned more than anyone I know. I kept on going back into the world for many years to get my fill of sin, and God drew me back every time so I have a lot to be thankful for. I still sin every day and He forgives me everyday, so I'm not saved by my works but by His grace Hallelujah!!!

Slayer · Aug 29, 2018

reneweddaybyday said:

I reject your assumption as ill informed and unlearned or you were falsely taught. All those who's names are in the book of life are sacrificial givers. Every single saved person has been saved from eternity burning in hell and they have been given eternity in paradise and all the riches of the universe have been given to them.

Now, why wouldn't such an one give sacrificially to the God who suffered untold pain and torture in their place and gave them eternal paradise, can you see why we give so generously. If you can't, it means you haven't been saved yet.

We were filthy, wicked vile sinners and enemies of God, and instead of punishing us He went and suffered the punishment we deserved. God own everything so it's not like we are giving Him our money, we are only giving Him back a portion of what He gave us.

Slayer · Aug 29, 2018

Ralph- said:

That all true, the Word of God is the most important thing in our lives. We can say that the Word of God produces fruit when we are obedient, we will prosper at work or in business and we will earn much more money than a person who relies on his own wisdom and doesn't trust God enough to put Him at the center of our business life.

God will bless our finances when He is leading the way, He will never cause us to make the wrong decision in our working or business life. He will cause our business to thrive and it will bare much fruit so we can contribute much for the extension of His Kingdom.

I recently became aware of how rare it is to find an honest business man, when I was approached by a very powerful man who entrusted me to manage one of his companies. He told me that he had been looking for someone trust worthy for a long time and he set up traps to see if I would take advantage of him.

I was tempted to do a deals which would have made me tens of thousands of dollars without him knowing but I didn't do it because the Holy Spirit told me to be honest. I am hated by others who tried to take that position, but they failed because they were dishonest.

Gods Word blesses those who abide in it, they will be fruitful and they will b e a blessing to the poor. We receive talents if we abide in Gods Word, He gives us clarity of mind so we can solve complicated problems without falling apart. We can handle anything when God is with us, unbelievers don't have the inner stability to handle the difficult situations.

Slayer · Aug 29, 2018

dcontroversal said:

A saved person is a Saint of God, nobody needs to tell him to give cheerfully or generously. Every Saint of God will give sacrificially, without anyone provoking him, we are so glad to have been saved from an eternity of torment in hell that we are more than glad to give sacrificially.

A Saint of God is only concerned with glorifying God in everything he does, whether it be giving of money or of giving time to visit the sick or the poor and any other good thing. Nobody needs to tell us we should give at all, we just do it out of our gratitude for receiving eternal life in paradise.

ljs · Aug 29, 2018

Slayer said:

you have twisted the Bible teaching on giving, back to front. You haven't been taught the truth, your shepherd is a false prophet. You have been indoctrinated with the doctrines of Demons.

You have twisted the scriptures back to front, so you have ended up with the opposite message. That's exactly what the Demons do, they always teach the opposite of Christ. Christ said we give because we have the Holy Spirit indwelling us, as such we do good works like give sacrificially.

I am a Saint of God, my salvation was guaranteed before I was created. I am saved no matter how much I sin or what I do, I already have eternal life and I am saved. So I give out of a sense of gratitude, not because I'm trying to earn my salvation as you falsely accuse me of. I hope you're not a child of the false accuser, He always tries to accuse me and remind me of my sins but to no avail.

All of my good works are done out of love for my Lord, I have sinned more than anyone I know. I kept on going back into the world for many years to get my fill of sin, and God drew me back every time so I have a lot to be thankful for. I still sin every day and He forgives me everyday, so I'm not saved by my works but by His grace Hallelujah!!!

your the one who said if we dont give enough to our church we will be thrown into the lake of fire
But here your saying your saved by Grace and not works , cant be both , which is it ?

ljs · Aug 29, 2018

oh and BTW , I am not a child of the false accuser , Im a saint saved and sealed

Slayer · Aug 29, 2018

dcontroversal said:

The parable of the talents tells us that the servant who didn't use the money wisely and make more money was cast into the outer darkness where there was WAILING AND GNASHING OF TEETH!!! SOUNDS LIKE HELL TO ME

UnderGrace · Aug 29, 2018

ljs said:

Exactly!!

Slayer · Aug 29, 2018

justpassinthrough said:

I notice you have been giving me examples apostate Churches as an excuse not to give money to the Church.

I agree with you, that we shouldn't support the apostate Churches like St Peters Basilica in Rome. They have enough money so they don't need our help. I'm talking about the local Church which has a full time pastor on a salary, he needs to feed his family and pay for the rent of the Church building.

The local Church is not financially supported by the government or anyone else, we are self funded by our own contributions so we need to give sacrificially in order to pay the pastors salary and the rent of the building and all of the Churches ministries. We need to have money left over after paying all the bills to support missionaries in Africa and Asia.

It takes a lot of money to do Gods work, we need to feed the poor and clothe them or we will hear those horrible words just before we are cast into the lake of fire "I was hungry and you did not feed me"

Slayer · Aug 29, 2018

ljs said:

Our generous giving is a sign that we are the Saints of God, if we didn't give so generously it would expose us as unbelievers. We do good works because we are saved and Saints always do good works, that's what being a Saint of God is all about. We do good works because that's our new nature, it comes automatically to us.

We were saved before the foundation of the world, so there's no question about salvation here. We will never do wicked works again, the Holy Spirit guides us into all righteousness. All of our works are good, and we don't do them to be saved as we were saved before the world was made.

reneweddaybyday · Aug 29, 2018

Slayer said:

Read Rev 20:15 again: And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I bolded the words you changed in the verse. So think again about who it is that is "ill informed", "unlearned", and "falsely taught".

Read a couple chapters further and we see For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book (Rev 22:18-19).

Think about what you post before you submit it. It's better to be right with God than to try to prove yourself right in the eyes of man.

Slayer said:

So believers fall short in every sin except the sin of not giving sacrificially? That's the one command they faithfully accept and keep? R-i-g-h-t ...

Slayer · Aug 29, 2018

reneweddaybyday said:

As believers we fall into many sins everyday, usually men fall into sins of lust. They look upon a woman with lust, hence they commit adultery. Then there are the many other daily sins such as not representing your product honestly in business, we may omit a small fact about the product in order to sell it and there are hundreds of other opportunities to sin every day and we do sin a lot.

So we know that we commit many sins daily, we are not even aware of all the sins we commit but we have full control of things like giving. It's not like we aren't aware that we are sinning when we don't give enough, our conscience will immediately testify against us.

preston39 · Aug 29, 2018

S...,
I was not aware that we can intercede in G-d's judgement of us after our death.
Can you guide me to scripture which supports that belief?

preston39 · Aug 29, 2018

Slayer said:

Lillywolf · Aug 29, 2018

justpassinthrough said:

Read a few more verses.

Don’t stop with one verse.

That is the s what OSAS is built on, one verse taken out of context.

all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—

those who have done good, to the resurrection of life,

and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:24-29

JPT

"those who have done good, to the resurrection of life,

and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation."

Those who do evil are not in grace.

Chester · Aug 29, 2018

Slayer said:

you have twisted the Bible teaching on giving, back to front. You haven't been taught the truth, your shepherd is a false prophet. You have been indoctrinated with the doctrines of Demons.

You have twisted the scriptures back to front, so you have ended up with the opposite message. That's exactly what the Demons do, they always teach the opposite of Christ. Christ said we give because we have the Holy Spirit indwelling us, as such we do good works like give sacrificially.

I am a Saint of God, my salvation was guaranteed before I was created. I am saved no matter how much I sin or what I do, I already have eternal life and I am saved. So I give out of a sense of gratitude, not because I'm trying to earn my salvation as you falsely accuse me of. I hope you're not a child of the false accuser, He always tries to accuse me and remind me of my sins but to no avail.

All of my good works are done out of love for my Lord, I have sinned more than anyone I know. I kept on going back into the world for many years to get my fill of sin, and God drew me back every time so I have a lot to be thankful for. I still sin every day and He forgives me everyday, so I'm not saved by my works but by His grace Hallelujah!!!

For those of you who keep saying that no one on CC teaches that once you are saved (OSAS) and can thus live however you want, see the above that I highlighted.

Lillywolf · Aug 29, 2018

Chester said:

Do you really think someone who studies the word thinks and lives that way?

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