What is standart of Holiness?
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Each needs to find what they beleive IMO, a good starting point for "those turning to the Messiah" is Acts 15, where a list of Commands are given to new converts... The odd thing is people don't even believe those are right in the "NT" times.. So crazy... I guess the "mystery of Iniquity" is real huh...
Do you mean this verse
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Yes. Why are those basic guidelines for those "turning to YHWH" totally ignored by most "NT" believers?
Acts 15:19-21,29 “19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to YHWH, 20, but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of idols, and from whoring, and from what is strangled, and from blood. 21, For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city, those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every Sabbath. 29, that you abstain from what is offered to idols, and blood, and what is strangled, and whoring. If you keep yourselves from these, you shall do well. Be strong!”
the Gentiles are (new converts) who are turning to YHWH.
This is not a be all end all list of COmmands this was to new converts... Yet tell most "NT" beleivers that they are to abstain from food with blood still in it and they will tell you thats done away..
Acts 15:19-21,29 “19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to YHWH, 20, but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of idols, and from whoring, and from what is strangled, and from blood. 21, For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city, those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every Sabbath. 29, that you abstain from what is offered to idols, and blood, and what is strangled, and whoring. If you keep yourselves from these, you shall do well. Be strong!”
the Gentiles are (new converts) who are turning to YHWH.
This is not a be all end all list of COmmands this was to new converts... Yet tell most "NT" beleivers that they are to abstain from food with blood still in it and they will tell you thats done away..
1 corinthians 8
7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.
Compare with act 15, 1 cor 8 look deeper.
1 cor 8 give a reason why not Eat a food that has been sacrifice to idol. Not defile, AS long AS not become stumbling block to the weak.
I do not know about the blood, is Eat blood defile? It say in verse 8, food bring us near to God, not worse
7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.
Compare with act 15, 1 cor 8 look deeper.
1 cor 8 give a reason why not Eat a food that has been sacrifice to idol. Not defile, AS long AS not become stumbling block to the weak.
I do not know about the blood, is Eat blood defile? It say in verse 8, food bring us near to God, not worse
SO are you saying it is ok to eat food sacrificed to idols?
In revelation it says not to:
Revelation 2:14, “But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.”
Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."
I trust the Messiah... He is the One we must.... hear and obey
His brother James (Yaaqob) also said the same to new converts...same as the "OT" says...
Acts 15:28-29, “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
In revelation it says not to:
Revelation 2:14, “But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.”
Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."
I trust the Messiah... He is the One we must.... hear and obey
His brother James (Yaaqob) also said the same to new converts...same as the "OT" says...
Acts 15:28-29, “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
Well the Messiah clearly says that is something "against thee" and " I have this against you"
Revelation 2:14, “But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.”
Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."
Well this I know
John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
Revelation 2:14, “But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.”
Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."
Well this I know
John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
ok...
Acts 15:28-29, “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
Revelation 2:14, “But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.”
Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."
Acts 15:28-29, “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
Revelation 2:14, “But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.”
Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."
Yup, but Paul is also teach from the Holy spirit that food not defile.
Jesus say the same.
Matthew 15:11-20 English Standard Version (ESV)
11 it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.” 12 Then the disciples came and said to him, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?” 13 He answered, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up. 14 Let them alone; they are blind guides.[a]And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.” 15 But Peter said to him, “Explain the parable to us.” 16 And he said, “Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled?[b] 18 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.20 These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”
Jesus say the same.
Matthew 15:11-20 English Standard Version (ESV)
11 it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.” 12 Then the disciples came and said to him, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?” 13 He answered, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up. 14 Let them alone; they are blind guides.[a]And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.” 15 But Peter said to him, “Explain the parable to us.” 16 And he said, “Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled?[b] 18 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.20 These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”
....this was the Pharisees accusing Yahshua's disciples for not following a talmudic law of hand washing...
verse 15 “Explain the parable to us.” ....verse 19 But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”
Mark 7:1-8,
1 Then the Pharisees and certain scribes came together to Him, having come from Yerusalem.
2 And when they saw some of His disciples eating bread with defiled-that is to say, unwashed – hands, they found fault.
3 (Now the Pharisees, and the Yahdaim generally, never eat without washing their hands, holding the tradition of the elders.
4 And when they come from the marketplaces, they do not eat unless they wash. And many other traditions they observe, such as the ritual washing of cups, pots, bronze utensils, and beds.)
5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him; Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?
6 He answered, and said to them: Well has Isayah prophesied of you hypocrites – as it is written: This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
7 But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Law of YHWH, you hold the tradition of men!"
verse 15 “Explain the parable to us.” ....verse 19 But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”
Mark 7:1-8,
1 Then the Pharisees and certain scribes came together to Him, having come from Yerusalem.
2 And when they saw some of His disciples eating bread with defiled-that is to say, unwashed – hands, they found fault.
3 (Now the Pharisees, and the Yahdaim generally, never eat without washing their hands, holding the tradition of the elders.
4 And when they come from the marketplaces, they do not eat unless they wash. And many other traditions they observe, such as the ritual washing of cups, pots, bronze utensils, and beds.)
5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him; Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?
6 He answered, and said to them: Well has Isayah prophesied of you hypocrites – as it is written: This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
7 But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Law of YHWH, you hold the tradition of men!"
But Jesus say , not what go into the mouth defile, consistent whit what Paul say.
And consistent with what Jesus answere to the jews leader when they ask Jesus how to save. Jesus Replay love God and love your neigbors.
OT not to Eat pork etc, NT more spirit emphasis.
Paul teaching is not man Made teaching.
And consistent with what Jesus answere to the jews leader when they ask Jesus how to save. Jesus Replay love God and love your neigbors.
OT not to Eat pork etc, NT more spirit emphasis.
Paul teaching is not man Made teaching.
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Except there IS NOTHING about idols in Mark 7 it is about a talmudic law of hand washing...
verse 15 “Explain the parable to us.” ....verse 19 But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”
The Messiah upheld the things of the Law while speaking against their man made hand washing law:
mark 7 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.20 These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”
all those are sins in the Torah... eating with unwashed hands is not... also this was not simply washing your hands, one had to wash their right hand, then their left, then both and say a made up prayer about how "the Name" commands hand washing... He does not...
and nothing here about idols...
verse 15 “Explain the parable to us.” ....verse 19 But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”
The Messiah upheld the things of the Law while speaking against their man made hand washing law:
mark 7 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.20 These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”
all those are sins in the Torah... eating with unwashed hands is not... also this was not simply washing your hands, one had to wash their right hand, then their left, then both and say a made up prayer about how "the Name" commands hand washing... He does not...
and nothing here about idols...
Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."
heaven and earth has not yet passed away...
John 8:51 “Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone guards My Word he shall never see death at all.”
Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."
heaven and earth has not yet passed away...
John 8:51 “Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone guards My Word he shall never see death at all.”
I’m saying that If a person Is trying to keep the ten commandments that the ten commandments were given under law before JESUS died on the cross and those works will be tested to see what manner they are of meaning any rewards motivated by self will be burned up but If a person Is under grace then the Issue Is not sin but the Issue now Is faith,JESUS paid for our sin.
JESUS,the vine and we are the branches receiving sustenance from the vine and displaying spiritual fruit.
The Two commandments?yes
The Ten Commandments are usually tried to be kept by someone looking at big sins verses small sins but remember that under law,If the person breaks the law at ANY point,then they have offended the whole law.
JESUS,the vine and we are the branches receiving sustenance from the vine and displaying spiritual fruit.
The Two commandments?yes
The Ten Commandments are usually tried to be kept by someone looking at big sins verses small sins but remember that under law,If the person breaks the law at ANY point,then they have offended the whole law.