Sons of God in Genesis 6 and Job

[Shamah]

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the woman,,,was she formed in the sixth day or in Eden after Gd rested?

you are not even touching on anything im talkong about but saying things that are irrelevant, in this matter if the "ben ha Elohim" were there during creation of the earth how were the "ben ha Elohim" humans?

It would be impossible...

and yes woman was created the same day as man, the 6th day.

 

[LPT]

Let us take this another direction as well....Logically that is.....most believe the following...

Sons of God <---Sethites or the lineage of believers
Daughters of men <---lost women

So....the saved men has sex with the lost women and the result was giants

Like the missing link....why are there no giants today as in giants as tall as the cedars in whose sight a man may appear as a grasshopper....I mean....logically this has got the be the forgone conclusion of the logic above........right?

I could say

Let us take this another direction as well....Logically that is.....most believe the following...

Sons of God <---Sethites or the lineage of believers
Daughters of men <---lost women

So....the saved men has sex with the lost women and the result was giants

Like the missing link....why are there no giants today as in giants as tall as the cedars in whose sight a man may appear as a grasshopper....I mean....logically this has got the be the forgone conclusion of the logic above........right?

Because ceder in Hebrew means to be firm, the verse isn't talking about the height of a ceder tree good lord.

 

[dcontroversal]

Carry on.......time to pass out....Lord willing, will return tomorrow....peace all

 

[dcontroversal]

I could say


Because ceder in Hebrew means to be firm, the verse isn't talking about the height of a ceder tree good lord.

Yeah keep reading........the context does not end there! and the word HEIGHT is tied to the word...MAN...do you actually study or just Blather on without facts?

And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from beneath.

WORDAGE hey......wow!

 

[LPT]

The wordage isn't to be taken literally, the Hebrew people used words so much differently than we do today. One has to look up the style in which words were used back in the day not our understanding of it.

 

[Deade]

Scripture for what.....?

And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from beneath.

Exaggerations of men comparing themselves to the sons of Anak. And yet another poetic prophecy in Amos. We have records of the height of these giants like Goliath.

 

[Deade]

Well, I can tell you that grammatically in Greek the sexual undertone is there, but you will not believe it.....so......at the end of the day...we will all be corrected in our errors for sure....

How did we get into the Greek New Testament for the sexual undertones?

 

[iamsoandso]

you are not even touching on anything im talkong about but saying things that are irrelevant, in this matter if the "ben ha Elohim" were there during creation of the earth how were the "ben ha Elohim" humans?

It would be impossible...

and yes woman was created the same day as man, the 6th day.

you are not even touching on anything im talkong about but saying things that are irrelevant, in this matter if the "ben ha Elohim" were there during creation of the earth how were the "ben ha Elohim" humans?

It would be impossible...

and yes woman was created the same day as man, the 6th day.

i don't think they are human,,,
did God separate the the woman from Adam when he was in Eden or before that point?

 

[PennEd]

Playing the advocate here.....Regardless of who believes what here.....either Jude is inspired or not.....and Jude compares the angels that left their first estate to the men of Sodom going after strange flesh....and we know the following biblical facts....

A> there is heavenly, celestial form and a fallen earthly fleshly form
B> the men of Sodom wanted to SEXUALLY know the angels that came in the form of men
C> in HEAVEN we shall be as the angels (in their heavenly form) not marrying and or given in marriage
D> JESUS disrobed himself of glory and had to take FLESH to walk among men
E> There are anomalies found in scripture that we cannot fully grasp due to a lack of knowledge or spiritual maturity

Etc...

It is crystal clear that the Angels that are held in chains for judgement sinned in a sexual manner. What do these people that don't believe what Jude said think was the Angels sin?

And it baffles me why they can't stomach that angels took on human form, abandoning their heavenly bodies, and committed a heinous sin by having sex with human women. Why come up with these whack a doodle doctrines that it was Seth's Children that mated with unbelievers, and somehow their Children were mightier than the children of other men. Why believe that nonsense? Why are they so opposed to what the text say? I just don't get it.

 

[Shamah]

i don't think they are human,,,
did God separate the the woman from Adam when he was in Eden or before that point?

OK.

and im not really sure what you are talking about concerning seperation, are you talking about extra biblical books? why dont you just tell me what you have been getting at rather than stringing me along with bread crumbs, I dont think you have bad intention but it feels odd.

 

[John146]

Yes please do show me scripture that says fallen angels?

Genesis 6:2 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

Notice the distinction between the sons of GOD and daughters of MEN. It is clear these are angels because if they were just men, there would be no distinction. These angels are the angels that "kept not their first estate"(Jude 1:6). Also, notice their offspring were giants.

Job 1:6 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."

Job 2:1 "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD."

These are the fallen angels because they are with Satan, who had also fallen, but remember that Satan is a Cherub (Ezekiel 28:14) and not an angel. He only appears as an angel of light (2 Cor. 11:14).

Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

If you read in Job 38:4, you will see that this event was around the time God laid the foundations of the earth, which was before Adam or Seth was even around. The morning stars are angels like in Revelation 1:20. The sons of God are with the angels in Heaven singing and shouting. These sons of God are clearly not human, rather the angels.

Later on in the New Testament, the people that are saved are called the sons of God (Romans 8:14, 19; Philippians 2:15, 1 John 3:1) because we are to replace the fallen angels that fell and even help Jesus Christ judge them at the White Throne Judgment (1 Cor. 6:3). What is even more amazing is that when we are Raptured, our bodies will be glorified and fashioned like His body. Keep in mind that every angel in the Bible is a male, Jesus Christ was male and Adam who was made in the image of God was male (Genesis 1:26). Also, there will be no marriage in heaven (Mark 12:25).

1 John 3:2 "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

 

[Zmouth]

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 2 Cor 11:3

For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? Rom 3:7

If the gospel be hid it is hid to them that are lost. And yet they rageth and are confident, ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[SmallFish]

Believers yoking with unbelievers have always been a problem to God. This is what happened here. And not only that, Genesis is the Seed book or book of genetics.

The seeds or principles planted in the book of Genesis will trace right through to the book of Revelations where all the seeds are matured and thus revealed.

There are no angels mixing with humans. But fallen angels or demons that possess humans does still happen though. A fallen angel is not a son of God in any case.

 

[iamsoandso]

OK.

and im not really sure what you are talking about concerning seperation, are you talking about extra biblical books? why dont you just tell me what you have been getting at rather than stringing me along with bread crumbs, I dont think you have bad intention but it feels odd.

I apologize if I seem to be stringing things along, I wondered about this from the way you worded things in post #64 and was asking as to Eve being separated from Adam before or after he was placed in Eden/paradise/third heaven ect.. ,see Ezekiel 28:12-13,Luke 23:43,2 Corinthians 12:3-4 Revelation 2:7,Revelation 22:1-3 and then examine the events of Revelation chapter 12.

I apologize if this seems to be a short answer but another member has brought up Ezekiel 28(i thought you would) and i am curious as to how the other members will view the exact timing of Satan's casting out and tying to not say things that would lead to an oppinion but rather see how they form their own oppinions(I appologize if it seems odd,lol).

 

[garee]

The reason it would matter who is before the other is in who first spoke of the sons of God, That is either the book of Job first used the term and then afterwards Moses spoke of them in Genesis(added imformation about them) or the other way around. Who they are in Job 1&2 seem to be angelic beings in the presence of God (Job 1:12/#6440) and then satin leaves from there and goes back to the earth where Job and his family are...

The scriptures define Sons of God, as those who are led by the Spirit of God .

Satan who did enter the presence with those led by the Spirit in Job, fell. Therefore bound on earth as if with a chain. Chains restrain . The legion can break it and spread his false signs as lying wonders .

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God

 

[abcdef]

It is crystal clear that the Angels that are held in chains for judgement sinned in a sexual manner.

It says that they left their first estate, that was where God placed them in His fellowship in heaven.

What do these people that don't believe what Jude said think was the Angels sin?

The angels rebelled with Satan and were removed from that place in God's fellowship and placed in chains in darkness.

And it baffles me why they can't stomach that angels took on human form, abandoning their heavenly bodies, and committed a heinous sin by having sex with human women.

It never says that. It is an assumption.

Why come up with these whack a doodle doctrines that it was Seth's Children that mated with unbelievers, and somehow their Children were mightier than the children of other men. Why believe that nonsense? Why are they so opposed to what the text say? I just don't get it.

The sons of God were children of Adam. The women that they took were not the children of Adam, but from other tribes of people.

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The idea was that in the garden Adam walked with God. Being with God gave Him perfection. If he had not sinned he would have continued to be perfect. But when Adam sinned, he fell from being perfect, but still maintained a relationship with God.

As Adam's descendants began to intermingle with the almost human souls, the spirit and flesh began to be diluted. As the generations passed the human souls descended from Adam fell further away from God, both spiritually and physically, losing the "closeness" of God. Jehovah worship was diluted by the intermingling of Adam's descendants with unbelieving tribes. This theme is maintained throughout the Bible. (Noah)

The concept that Adam's descendants intermingled with unbelieving tribes and produced giants, is related to the closeness of the perfection of Adam's descendants, to the perfection that comes from Adam's closeness of God, which made him perfect in soul and body.

Although the perfection was diluted in Adam's children, it was still within them in a lesser degree.

So the giants that were produced were a result of the diluted genetic perfection that remained within them.

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[John146]

Believers yoking with unbelievers have always been a problem to God. This is what happened here. And not only that, Genesis is the Seed book or book of genetics.

The seeds or principles planted in the book of Genesis will trace right through to the book of Revelations where all the seeds are matured and thus revealed.

There are no angels mixing with humans. But fallen angels or demons that possess humans does still happen though. A fallen angel is not a son of God in any case.

Do you have Scripture to prove the bold above?

Never does the seed of man with woman produce offspring of giants.

 

[John146]

The scriptures define Sons of God, as those who are led by the Spirit of God .

Satan who did enter the presence with those led by the Spirit in Job, fell. Therefore bound on earth as if with a chain. Chains restrain . The legion can break it and spread his false signs as lying wonders .

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God

New Testament principle available through the new birth. No one was born again in the OT. A son of God is any being originally created by God for His purpose. Adam was a son of God until he fell. Only through being born again, a new creature, can man now become a son of God.

 

[iamsoandso]

The scriptures define Sons of God, as those who are led by the Spirit of God .

Satan who did enter the presence with those led by the Spirit in Job, fell. Therefore bound on earth as if with a chain. Chains restrain . The legion can break it and spread his false signs as lying wonders .

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God

Yes,stongs #6440,he left Gods presence and returned to earth. This would be after 2350 and before 1750bc,Elephaz in job 22:16 mentions the flood in a past tense manner. Jobs friends decendencies (Job 2:11) and so Satan was not yet cast out at that time. In Ezekiel 28:16 he is spoken of as cast out of the mountain of God in a future manner. So in 593-571bc he is still not cast out(it is foretelling his being cast out)...

 

[abcdef]

Do you have Scripture to prove the bold above?

Never does the seed of man with woman produce offspring of giants.

Hmmm, Isn't there something called giantism? in our world today? Where giants are produced from a genetic imperfection?