Walking In the Fear of God

[seed_time_harvest]

Thats what happens when youre tempted..satan comes in your mind..heart..whatever..

There Is possession and there Is oppression.

 

[justpassinthrough]

and what did Judas do to give Satan this right? im not aware of any scripture on that. not to mention, if Judas was a bad guy all along there would be no need for Satan to possess him in the first place.

But one of His disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, who would betray Him, said, 5 “Why was this fragrant oil not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?” 6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief, and had the money box; and he used to take what was put in it. John 12:4-6



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[justpassinthrough]

Satan come into anyone..tempt tgen in any way but WE still have a choice to give IN to temptation or not..but that DOESNT mean were possessed by satan like a demon possession..we are TEMPTED like judus was

Agreed.


But one of His disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, who would betray Him, said, 5 “Why was this fragrant oil not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?” 6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief, and had the money box; and he used to take what was put in it. John 12:4-6


Judas betrayed the Lord for 30 pieces of silver.



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[Jewel5712]

Agreed.


But one of His disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, who would betray Him, said, 5 “Why was this fragrant oil not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?” 6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief, and had the money box; and he used to take what was put in it. John 12:4-6


Judas betrayed the Lord for 30 pieces of silver.



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Lol..yes..ive replied to that a couple times previously..please read my posts so i dont keep repeating myself..thanks

 

[Noblemen]

He was had a "first hand" witness to the "gospel" (Jesus)

So it's possible to preach the gospel without the cross?

 

[Jewel5712]

So it's possible to preach the gospel without the cross?

He preached what he experienced at witness just like john the baprist...

 

[Noblemen]

Someone might ask,how come Its was not possible to be born again until JESUS was crucified on the cross?

By the cross the Father's original plan of birthing His own children came (Christ in you) into effect.
Being a Christian or born again means you have Christ in you.

Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

 

[ForestGreenCook]

@forestgreen..i read the matthew 27:3 and judas ANDMITTED to the chief priests and elders he was wrong but never went to Jesus to repent and ask forgiveness...

Matthew 27:3-10 New International Version (NIV)

"3 When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. 4 “I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood.”

I would not recommend studying from the NIV version. It has changed the wording of several scriptures to conform with eternal salvation by the works of man. It has even gone so far as to eliminate entire verses. As an example, Gal 2:16, KJV, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith "OF" Jesus Christ. The NIV reads, but by the faith "IN" Jesus Christ. Can you see how they have taken Jesus's faith, and made it man's faith?

 

[Noblemen]

I would not recommend studying from the NIV version. It has changed the wording of several scriptures to conform with eternal salvation by the works of man. It has even gone so far as to eliminate entire verses. As an example, Gal 2:16, KJV, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith "OF" Jesus Christ. The NIV reads, but by the faith "IN" Jesus Christ. Can you see how they have taken Jesus's faith, and made it man's faith?

Great comment, that is an observation that is not recognized in Christianity today.
The main reason I believe is that today's translators and even some Scholars do not know how to handle that verse, as well as others. So they change it to what they think the original really means. Strange dilemma they have created for themselves and their readers.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

22 but the Writing did shut up the whole under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ may be given to those believing.

23 And before the coming of the faith, under law we were being kept, shut up to the faith about to be revealed, 24 so that the law became our child-conductor — to Christ, that by [ek] faith we may be declared righteous, 25 and the faith having come, no more under a child-conductor are we,

Sons Through Faith in Christ

26 for ye are all sons of God through [by means of] the faith in Christ Jesus, 27 for as many as to Christ were baptized did put on Christ [aorist, middle voice];

--Gal3:22-27

 

[Jewel5712]

22 but the Writing did shut up the whole under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ may be given to those believing.

23 And before the coming of the faith, under law we were being kept, shut up to the faith about to be revealed, 24 so that the law became our child-conductor — to Christ, that by [ek] faith we may be declared righteous, 25 and the faith having come, no more under a child-conductor are we,

Sons Through Faith in Christ

26 for ye are all sons of God through [by means of] the faith in Christ Jesus, 27 for as many as to Christ were baptized did put on Christ [aorist, middle voice];

--Gal3:22-27

Im lost..what reply are you commenting to?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

By the cross the Father's original plan of birthing His own children came (Christ in you) into effect.
Being a Christian or born again means you have Christ in you.

Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

That would be an excellent answer for a christian but If the person asking that question were a person that Is not reborn yet,what would be a satisfying answer to them?

 

[UnderGrace]

Thats what happens when youre tempted..satan comes in your mind..heart..whatever..

Are you saying when we are tempted we are being possessed by the devil?

 

[UnderGrace]

I would not recommend studying from the NIV version. It has changed the wording of several scriptures to conform with eternal salvation by the works of man. It has even gone so far as to eliminate entire verses. As an example, Gal 2:16, KJV, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith "OF" Jesus Christ. The NIV reads, but by the faith "IN" Jesus Christ. Can you see how they have taken Jesus's faith, and made it man's faith?

It is man's faith

Without faith it is impossible to please God.
Hebrews 11:6

 

[Jewel5712]

Are you saying when we are tempted we are being possessed by the devil?

Thats originally what nonamemcgee was suggesting way back when he said that satan went into judus etc n i told him theres a difference bettween being tempted n demin possessed..it was a long convo so please go back n review too long to repeat..lol

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Im lost..what reply are you commenting to?

Sorry , FGC's post #268.

Just suggesting we should also look at the wider context, rather than just one verse (the verse he pointed out).

 

[Noblemen]

That would be an excellent answer for a christian but If the person asking that question were a person that Is not reborn yet,what would be a satisfying answer to them?

Basically the same thing, they need to understand the plan of God before the fall. It is the power of God unto salvation.
Christians need to understand our gospel started before anything was created.
4000 years before the cross we see that no man could give God what He originally wanted, children He would literally birth Himself by Christ in them the hope of glory.
Bonified offspring of the Father. We tend to preach everything but His original intention.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

lol ok, so when Jesus was tempted Satan was "inside" the Son of the Most High? not sure about that one.

I think that when It says JESUS was led Into the wilderness to be tempted by satin that that word “tempted” In this case should have been the word “tested”.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Knowing and accepting 2 very different things and a lot KNOW there is a "higher being" but dont associate it with the God we know so your statement might be assuming much..

I think I see what you are saying,since man loved darkness why would he want someone to be lord of his life even If creation declares that all this creation In perfect harmony didn’t just happen,how would man even know how to accept JESUS,I would say Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD of GOD.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

[...] children He would literally birth Himself by Christ in them the hope of glory.
Bonified offspring of the Father. We tend to preach everything but His original intention.

Here's a post I made about that.

https://christianchat.com/threads/d...-he-wish-to-save-everyone.178416/post-3691636

Not sure you'll agree with it.