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Slayer said:
Those who will come to Jesus and say, Lord, Lord and mention all of those things they did in His name are people who believed they were Christians. They lived their life thinking they were true believers, but they will be exposed as hypocrites on that day.

So we are not talking about those who never attended Church and never made a profession of faith, we are talking about those who appeared to be devout Christians and done a lot for their Church. It's a warning tot hose who profess to be Christians but never gave God 100% commitment.
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well i agree with your first paragraph , these people will be exposed because they were relying on their own works for salvation , instead of Christ alone ! Jesus will say " depart from me , i never knew you " Interesting that it says the ones who will enter are the ones who " Do the Work of my father in heaven " John 6:29 This is the work of God , that you believe in whom he sent "

Not because they didnt give God 100% committment , do any of us really do that 24 / 7 ?
 
ljs said:
well i agree with your first paragraph , these people will be exposed because they were relying on their own works for salvation , instead of Christ alone ! Jesus will say " depart from me , i never knew you " Interesting that it says the ones who will enter are the ones who " Do the Work of my father in heaven " John 6:29 This is the work of God , that you believe in whom he sent "

Not because they didnt give God 100% committment , do any of us really do that 24 / 7 ?
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They will be known by thier "friuts"..cant have a "fruit tree" withoit initial salvation..salvation those isnt lost or won by works..
 
ljs said:
well i agree with your first paragraph , these people will be exposed because they were relying on their own works for salvation , instead of Christ alone ! Jesus will say " depart from me , i never knew you " Interesting that it says the ones who will enter are the ones who " Do the Work of my father in heaven " John 6:29 This is the work of God , that you believe in whom he sent "

Not because they didnt give God 100% committment , do any of us really do that 24 / 7 ?
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Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15


He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4


Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9


Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. James 4:4


JPT
 
justpassinthrough said:
Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15


He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4


Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9


Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. James 4:4


JPT
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So..what happems when we are tempted n sin? God doesnt rate sin..a lie to Him is the same as murder..we sin every day whether thought or deed...

So..a person can be tempted to murder..act it out..repent..is he not then FORGIVEN dispite there being consiquemces for his actions? He wont lose his salvation..just proves hes human and falls to sin like we all do...
 
Slayer said:
Our pastor doesn't keep tabs but he makes it very clear that we must give generously and even sacrificially, because that's what God commands us to do. We know who serious God is about this command, he will cast those who didn't give generously into the lake of fire.
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Have you ever noticed what year and make of car your pastor drives?
Have you been to his house?


Remember how He dealt with that unprofitable servant in the parable of the talents, He cast him into the outer darkness where there was wailing and gnashing of teeth. God is testing each of us to see how much we give, if we don't give sacrificially He will say "I was hungry and you didn't feed me, I was naked and you didn't clothe me".
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You misunderstand the parable of the talents. It isn't about money. It is about the gifts , the talents, the creator gives to each one of us. And how we then choose to use them in his service. Or not. And our accountability in that regard.
This does not mean we have to work to keep the grace filled irrevocable gift of God's salvation. It means, when we are blessed to be saved from our former identity as worldly and fail to then use the gifts, the talents, God has given us to serve his purpose, we will make accounting of why. Why we squandered what we had to work with so as to be servants to those in need of our talents.

I don't need to elaborate because I'm sure you know how serious God is about giving, He will cast those who didn't give enough into he lake of fire. So giving sacrificially is a must for Christians, it's not optional[/QUOTE] I'd appreciate you posting the scripture or scriptures that teach that very thing word for word please.
If your pastor has taught this I would imagine he would cite the scripture from whence his teaching was derived.
 
Jewel5712 said:
So..what happems when we are tempted n sin? God doesnt rate sin..a lie to Him is the same as murder..we sin every day whether thought or deed...

So..a person can be tempted to murder..act it out..repent..is he not then FORGIVEN dispite there being consiquemces for his actions? He wont lose his salvation..just proves hes human and falls to sin like we all do...
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If he repents.
 
GRASSESANDDRAGONFLIES said:
Have you ever noticed what year and make of car your pastor drives?
Have you been to his house?


You misunderstand the parable of the talents. It isn't about money. It is about the gifts , the talents, the creator gives to each one of us. And how we then choose to use them in his service. Or not. And our accountability in that regard.
This does not mean we have to work to keep the grace filled irrevocable gift of God's salvation. It means, when we are blessed to be saved from our former identity as worldly and fail to then use the gifts, the talents, God has given us to serve his purpose, we will make accounting of why. Why we squandered what we had to work with so as to be servants to those in need of our talents.

I don't need to elaborate because I'm sure you know how serious God is about giving, He will cast those who didn't give enough into he lake of fire. So giving sacrificially is a must for Christians, it's not optional
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I'd appreciate you posting the scripture or scriptures that teach that very thing word for word please.
If your pastor has taught this I would imagine he would cite the scripture from whence his teaching was derived.[/QUOTE]

Lol..my pastor makes less than most of the congregation and i go to a MINORITY church..lol.
 
justpassinthrough said:
If he repents.
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So it kinda refutes some of your scripture you posted to make your point... Somtimes people repeat the same sin..doesnt mean they INTEND to but they have a weakness and Satan targets the weaknesses in our lives..doesnt mean we wont go to heaven or constantly living in sin..
 
Jewel5712 said:
I'd appreciate you posting the scripture or scriptures that teach that very thing word for word please.
If your pastor has taught this I would imagine he would cite the scripture from whence his teaching was derived.
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Lol..my pastor makes less than most of the congregation and i go to a MINORITY church..lol.[/QUOTE] Jesus walked everywhere he went. Except that one time when he fulfilled the Messianic prophecy and rode an ass into the town on what we now refer to as palm Sunday.

I ventured to a search engine to look for pictures of the homes of so called mega-church pastors. Amazing!
The opportunities all those rooms could afford as shelter for the local homeless within just a mile range of that pastor's church. Or, the opportunity those lands could afford to allow homeless veterans a safe place to walk and breathe in fresh air. While the rooms would afford them sanctuary and an opportunity to bathe and not eat out of a dumpster.
Or, make nurseries for babies in need of fostering. Because their mom's were pro-life just not up to taking care of that new life.

And the monies spent on their fancy cars. One such pastor drives a Rolls Royce. Imagine the number of vans that single price tag could buy. And then the transportation that would be provided to bring less fortunate to church, or to the doctor. Or, bring meals to them, in a program sponsored by that church.

But mega-churches carry one glaring truth that covers every single one broadcasting on television. 30+ thousand congregants can't be served by a pastor who is called to shepherd them in God's light. And published books and recorded media are no exception. It's a business. Not a calling. That's very sad.
What money does buy such pastors fails to let them realize what a true shepherd is called to do as a servant of God's people is priceless.
 
Slayer said:
Our pastor doesn't keep tabs but he makes it very clear that we must give generously and even sacrificially, because that's what God commands us to do. We know who serious God is about this command, he will cast those who didn't give generously into the lake of fire.

Remember how He dealt with that unprofitable servant in the parable of the talents, He cast him into the outer darkness where there was wailing and gnashing of teeth. God is testing each of us to see how much we give, if we don't give sacrificially He will say "I was hungry and you didn't feed me, I was naked and you didn't clothe me".

I don't need to elaborate because I'm sure you know how serious God is about giving, He will cast those who didn't give enough into he lake of fire. So giving sacrificially is a must for Christians, it's not optional
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Does your pastor also teach that the following passage applies to "the Church which is His body":

"28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory [see also Matt25:31-34 for its timing], ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." [see also Lk22:30,16,18 and Matt26:29].


Does he grasp the distinction between Revelation 19:7 [re: "the Marriage" involving the "Bride/Wife [SINGULAR]"] and Revelation 19:9 [re: the "marriage FEAST/SUPPER" involving the INVITED "guests [PLURAL]"]? Or does he just blur it (and all related passages) all together indistinguishably?? Sounds as though he does the latter.

Not many grasp the difference.
 
Does your pastor properly teach that the following passage applies directly to, for, and about Israel:

Hosea 5:15-6:3 -

15 I will go and return to my place, till they [Israel] acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they [Israel] will seek me early [/earnestly].

6:1 Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.


[Ezek37:12-14,20-23; Dan12:1-4,10; Rom11:15[25]; Isa26:16-21; Jn6:39 (distinct from v.40); etc--all about Israel's "future"]


See also Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." THEN the meal!
 
dcontroversal said:
See there ya go folks.....the Apostles creed <--the definition of what a Christian MUST BELIEVE.....and it has nothing to do with being able to handle anything and or understanding the different views on scriptgure...wake up...the BIBLE defines what I must believe, NOT some Apostle Creed written AFTER the bible was given, and as far as the rest of your post = less than nothing and just your Presbyterian opinion.....
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You obviously don't understand Christian history. You just tilt at windmills figuratively speaking. You are trying to claim in this post that Presbyterians created the Apostles Creed. 390 AD is the first copy of it bet ancient documents say it was created in 312 by the elders. Did you bother to use Google to verify your blatant attempt to try to discredit my statements. Obviously not since you reverted to the tactic of using the method of fallacious ad hominem attacks instead. Try researching first before posting with your foot in your mouth again. Here is a discussion about the differences with scripture and the different views Calvinist and Armenians have of these scriptures.

https://www.xenos.org/essays/calvinism-arminianism-controversial-passages
 
5 minute rule again

Obviously any dissenting ideas from you are totally rejected by you saying they are not Biblical. The early elders had that same problem. Google it. The Apostles Creed was created to be the core beliefs and everything else was agree to disagree. You obviously can't handle disagreement. Why do you think there are so many different gospel preaching denominations? You need to look at history of the early church. Get your head out of the sand and review ancient church history and why the elders in the 300's did
 
Endoscopy said:
You obviously don't understand Christian history. You just tilt at windmills figuratively speaking. You are trying to claim in this post that Presbyterians created the Apostles Creed. 390 AD is the first copy of it bet ancient documents say it was created in 312 by the elders. Did you bother to use Google to verify your blatant attempt to try to discredit my statements. Obviously not since you reverted to the tactic of using the method of fallacious ad hominem attacks instead. Try researching first before posting with your foot in your mouth again. Here is a discussion about the differences with scripture and the different views Calvinist and Armenians have of these scriptures.

https://www.xenos.org/essays/calvinism-arminianism-controversial-passages
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I never said nor implied anything that you assume.....and I need no Apostle's creed written in 390 A.D. to tell me what the bible teaches.....and you should pay attention to your own ridiculous arguments.......
 
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