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John146

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Does your church and pastor truly believe this? Does your pastor ever correct God's word?
Yes we believe this and we abide by it, there's no need to correct God's Word because it is perfect.[/QUOTE]

Really? I'm curious to which Bible you use. If you truly believe this, then there's only one Bible that's the perfect word of God and all others are false. Which one?
 
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pjharrison

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Well that's exactly why God appointed shepherds to lead us dumb sheep, there's no way any sheep can learn how to defend itself on it's own. We need to be taught how to defend ourselves by those who God appointed to teach us.

Hell is full of "Christians" who rebelled against God's appointed shepherd and went out on their own as rouge sheep. They are quickly deceived by the master of deception, who know exactly how to destroy them. The Bible says "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge", it's speaking about the foolish proud Christians who wanted to do it their way.

Satan deceives Christians today, using the same trap as he used on Eve. He tells his victims that they will become wise and that God is withholding valuable information which would liberate them if they knew it. This is where the term "Liberal" came from, today's Liberal Church allows it's congregation to indulge in all kinds of sinful lifestyles.

I would urge you to find a Church that preaches the whole counsel of God, as a matter of utmost importance. You need to come under a faithful shepherd to lead you on the narrow path, it's far to dangerous to walk that road alone.
When you leave this world, you will face God alone, that clutch that rely on will not be there.
 
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pjharrison

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Well that's exactly why God appointed shepherds to lead us dumb sheep, there's no way any sheep can learn how to defend itself on it's own. We need to be taught how to defend ourselves by those who God appointed to teach us.

Hell is full of "Christians" who rebelled against God's appointed shepherd and went out on their own as rouge sheep. They are quickly deceived by the master of deception, who know exactly how to destroy them. The Bible says "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge", it's speaking about the foolish proud Christians who wanted to do it their way.

Satan deceives Christians today, using the same trap as he used on Eve. He tells his victims that they will become wise and that God is withholding valuable information which would liberate them if they knew it. This is where the term "Liberal" came from, today's Liberal Church allows it's congregation to indulge in all kinds of sinful lifestyles.

I would urge you to find a Church that preaches the whole counsel of God, as a matter of utmost importance. You need to come under a faithful shepherd to lead you on the narrow path, it's far to dangerous to walk that road alone.
Well that's exactly why God appointed shepherds to lead us dumb sheep, there's no way any sheep can learn how to defend itself on it's own. We need to be taught how to defend ourselves by those who God appointed to teach us.

Hell is full of "Christians" who rebelled against God's appointed shepherd and went out on their own as rouge sheep. They are quickly deceived by the master of deception, who know exactly how to destroy them. The Bible says "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge", it's speaking about the foolish proud Christians who wanted to do it their way.

Satan deceives Christians today, using the same trap as he used on Eve. He tells his victims that they will become wise and that God is withholding valuable information which would liberate them if they knew it. This is where the term "Liberal" came from, today's Liberal Church allows it's congregation to indulge in all kinds of sinful lifestyles.

I would urge you to find a Church that preaches the whole counsel of God, as a matter of utmost importance. You need to come under a faithful shepherd to lead you on the narrow path, it's far to dangerous to walk that road alone.
The teachers, prophet, evangelist, pastors and apostles, that are servants of God are not associated with local Churches.
They live by faith. They go where God sends them. The pastors of the local churches can be voted in or out by the congregation unless he owns the church. You can't vote the servants of god in or out. That should tell you something.
 

Slayer

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It's not a reformatting of Gods Word, you have misrepresented our position. You had to dig very deep and all you could come up with is a play on words
So that... can you dig a little deeper and shed more light on what the Bible teaches that the church is made up of? Or that what is church to you? Accordingly Acts 2:41 says "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. " Are not those saved and baptized are really the one belonging to the church and not those only exercising faith and repentance?

Thanks,[/QUOTE]
You are talking about a miraculous event that happened 2000 years ago, of' course those 3000 who were converted would have gone away and exercised faith and repentance from the day until they died. We must repent many times every single day and we must live by faith all the time, these are not one of events and then we live happily ever after.

When a person is converted they enter into mortal combat against their flesh, and the battle rages for the rest of their life. We are not saved until the end, so we must remain faithful until the end. Those who fall away were never chosen by God, they never were predestined to be one of His elect.
 

Slayer

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This whole post contradicts what you have been saying on many threads. No "Christian". No "sheep" are going to be in hell. So either these were NEVER Christians, or you DON'T believe in Eternal Security. Not possible to have it both ways.
As you can see I put the inverted commas around the word "Christian" and "sheep", meaning those who claim to be "Christian"

The Bible tells us that many will come to Jesus on that day saying "Lord, Lord, didn't we cast out demons and do great things in your name", then He will say "depart from me you workers of iniquity, for I never knew you".

The point is, these who come to Him believed they were Christians. They performed many wonders in His name, these are not the outright unbelievers who never believed in Him. These are people who attended Church all their lives and lived as Christians, they gave lots of money to the Church and helped the poor and sacrificed much for the Lord.

This describes the 90% of so called Christians who are in for a rude shock, our pastor warns us about these "Christians" all the time. They are deceived and they deceive others, they are the same types of hypocrites as those who crucified Christ. They are religious on the outside but wicked on the inside.
 

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Yes we believe this and we abide by it, there's no need to correct God's Word because it is perfect.
Really? I'm curious to which Bible you use. If you truly believe this, then there's only one Bible that's the perfect word of God and all others are false. Which one?[/QUOTE]
We use the King James Version, I don't believe that only one Bible is perfect. I'm sure there are many faithful translations, since we don't have the original texts.
 
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pjharrison

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As you can see I put the inverted commas around the word "Christian" and "sheep", meaning those who claim to be "Christian"

The Bible tells us that many will come to Jesus on that day saying "Lord, Lord, didn't we cast out demons and do great things in your name", then He will say "depart from me you workers of iniquity, for I never knew you".

The point is, these who come to Him believed they were Christians. They performed many wonders in His name, these are not the outright unbelievers who never believed in Him. These are people who attended Church all their lives and lived as Christians, they gave lots of money to the Church and helped the poor and sacrificed much for the Lord.

This describes the 90% of so called Christians who are in for a rude , our pastor warns us about these "Christians" all the time. They are deceived and they deceive others, they are the same types of hypocrites as those who crucified Christ. They are religious on the outside but wicked on the inside.
What is different about your church then?
 

Slayer

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When you leave this world, you will face God alone, that clutch that rely on will not be there.
I can tell you don't know the first thing about the Christian life or why God created His Church and appointed shepherds to teach lost sheep like you. You will most certainly face God alone but if you weren't a lost sheep, you would know that Gods people don't face Him alone. We have Christ to defend us during the trial, if you attended Church you would have learned this from your shepherd.
 

Slayer

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What is different about your church then?
The only difference with my Church is, it was established by God. He ordained it and He keeps building it and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. So our Church is not man made and we don't follow a man centered Gospel, we don't entertain or affirm sinners in their sin and we don't offer salvation as a consumer product.
 
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pjharrison

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I can tell you don't know the first thing about the Christian life or why God created His Church and appointed shepherds to teach lost sheep like you. You will most certainly face God alone but if you weren't a lost sheep, you would know that Gods people don't face Him alone. We have Christ to defend us during the trial, if you attended Church you would have learned this from your shepherd.
I was in church for years. There is a big difference now that I'm not. I can see the truth now. I have an apostle that I listen to who has helped me in my understanding of the things of God. The servants of God are not governed by the people. The pastors of the local church do not live by faith. They do not live on what God gives them, their salary is guaranteed, because they have a congregation who takes care of them.
 
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pjharrison

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The only difference with my Church is, it was established by God. He ordained it and He keeps building it and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. So our Church is not man made and we don't follow a man centered Gospel, we don't entertain or affirm sinners in their sin and we don't offer salvation as a consumer product.
Your church and all the other local churches are all cut from the same cloth. That's like the pot calling the kettle black.
 

Slayer

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The teachers, prophet, evangelist, pastors and apostles, that are servants of God are not associated with local Churches.
They live by faith. They go where God sends them. The pastors of the local churches can be voted in or out by the congregation unless he owns the church. You can't vote the servants of god in or out. That should tell you something.
All the members in my Church including the pastor and myself are Saints of God, can you imagine the saints of God stabbing the main Shepherd in the back and voting him out. That can only happen in a false Church, with reprobates for members.
 

Slayer

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Your church and all the other local churches are all cut from the same cloth. That's like the pot calling the kettle black.
Would you care to give me your name so I can pray for you, I truly believe you are lost and I really believe God will bring you back into the fold if you are willing to put your pride aside. I'm sorry for being harsh with you in other posts but that's what I do to shake people out of their comfort zone.
 

Slayer

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Your church and all the other local churches are all cut from the same cloth. That's like the pot calling the kettle black.
Got to run now, wee you in around 8 hours :)
 
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pjharrison

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All the members in my Church including the pastor and myself are Saints of God, can you imagine the saints of God stabbing the main Shepherd in the back and voting him out. That can only happen in a false Church, with reprobates for members.
But the fact is he can be voted out, because this church is man made. My point is, your church is no different than the others. Everyone think there church is better.
 
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pjharrison

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Would you care to give me your name so I can pray for you, I truly believe you are lost and I really believe God will bring you back into the fold if you are willing to put your pride aside. I'm sorry for being harsh with you in other posts but that's what I do to shake people out of their comfort zone.
That's ok. If it's the truth I want to hear it. But if not I will correct you.
 

John146

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Really? I'm curious to which Bible you use. If you truly believe this, then there's only one Bible that's the perfect word of God and all others are false. Which one?
We use the King James Version, I don't believe that only one Bible is perfect. I'm sure there are many faithful translations, since we don't have the original texts.[/QUOTE]

If the KJV is perfect, then all others are not perfect since all others contain different words and even different truths. There can be only one that stands alone as the word of God.

"A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies."
 

posthuman

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If the KJV is perfect, then all others are not perfect since all others contain different words and even different truths. There can be only one that stands alone as the word of God.

"A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies."
if it's perfect why does the kjv say they were celebrating Ishtar in Acts 12:4?

since it's not perfect, what is God telling us by the fact there is not a English translation that is? it is apparently His perfect will that there not be. why?
 

John146

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if it's perfect why does the kjv say they were celebrating Ishtar in Acts 12:4?

since it's not perfect, what is God telling us by the fact there is not a English translation that is? it is apparently His perfect will that there not be. why?
Ah, the old Easter argument...how many times do I have to answer this...but you will not accept any other answer than what?

If God did not preserve His words in the English language, why read, teach or preach from any of them?