Can no longer separate sex from sin
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I can’t be talking for nobody else, but for sure I know I wouldn’t be able to create fantastic art, science, buildings or anything that those real great men has created.
I believe that the male gender is capable of creating great inventions. Simultaneously, they are capable of messing up big time. Men are, the way I see it, more diversified than women regarding intellectual abilities.
I believe that the good Lord has a Grand Plan, where men is supposed to be the Lords tools of development, and, unfortunately, destruction.
A woman’s part is being supportive of him, caring, understanding and loving. Again, I can’t speak for others, but that’s what makes me happy😊.
I believe that the male gender is capable of creating great inventions. Simultaneously, they are capable of messing up big time. Men are, the way I see it, more diversified than women regarding intellectual abilities.
I believe that the good Lord has a Grand Plan, where men is supposed to be the Lords tools of development, and, unfortunately, destruction.
A woman’s part is being supportive of him, caring, understanding and loving. Again, I can’t speak for others, but that’s what makes me happy😊.
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That's good for you ma'am, but this ain't the 1950's anymore. They're never coming back, nor should they. I for one do believe men and women are different, but I don't believe in putting anyone in boxes. The women of the early 1900s went through horrific abuse just so we could have the right to vote, and I do not want their sacrifices to be in vain.
History Princess,
I started out following this thread and feeling a lot of sympathy for you because I can relate to a lot of what you say, but now this thread just seems like your own personal space to blow off a lot of steam and blast anyone with an opinion that you see as contradictory to your own, because you believe you've seen it all and also have all the answers.
I understand sexual feelings often seeming to be more of a burden than anything else, but might I suggest that if you get a chance, use some of that extra energy to invest in researching a few books and movies that describe a world very similar to what you're calling for.
Two movies that immediately came to mind as I was reading your posts were:
In this movie, it's not necessarily sex but emotions that are seen as the enemy, because it it argued that emotions such as anger and jealousy cause people to commit crimes like murder and go to war with one another, so all emotion must be eradicated. Therefore, all citizens are force to take drugs that suppress emotions, and signs of outward emotional expression result in arrest and execution.
And here is another fairly recent movie which depicts a society very similar to what you are endorsing:
In this film, society hails the eradication of most sicknesses as a monumental triumph, and both emotion and sex are seen as being abnormal, unlawful behavior. As it seems to be a common theme in thinking such as you described in your posts, emotions are also regulated with medication and sex is strictly forbidden. Your post made it sound as if you believe you are the first person who believes in trying to eliminate sex via medication. I know that you cite sexual crimes as one reason for chemically eliminating sex, but are you aware that it already exists? I would like to suggest doing some research on the attempted chemical castration of pedophiles--apparently, it doesn't work.
But your posts make it sound as if you believe you are the first person to think of such things, because you seem to be completely unaware of the fact that others have arrived to these conclusions long ago, and some have even tried to carry them out. Check it out and see what happened when they did.
In this film (Equals), because regular sex is considered an abomination, human reproduction is carried on solely through artificial insemination, and again, any sign of emotional interaction is met with an arrest and "reprogramming" or termination by the government.
Take some time investing in the works of others who have a similar train of thought as the way that you're thinking now. I know that you're going to say this is different because you're advocating the elimination of sex and not emotions, but if you take the time to consider other's point of view (who even share similar thoughts as you), you might find some of the speculations interesting.
I also find it interesting that you seem to automatically assume that sex is a problem for everyone, and that almost everyone is going to turn into some deviant sexual criminal unless all sex drives are destroyed.
I couldn't help but think of the bottle of Captain Morgan's rum I have in the back of my kitchen pantry. I bought it for a recipe I was trying last year and haven't touched it since. I was just thinking of the time in the history of the United States when people thought the same of alcohol as you do of sex, and therefore tried to make it illegal, and it didn't go very well. I'm certainly not saying that certain things shouldn't be regulated, but what I AM saying is that it is an error to assume that everyone will misuse or abuse something that you have problems with yourself, because you are only considering your own point of view.
I often wonder as well why God allowed sex when He knew it would cause so many problems in a sinful world, but for some reason, He chose to allow it, just as when Paul asked God to take away the "thorn in his flesh", God told him no, because His power was made perfect in weakness.
God's answer doesn't seem to be in taking away one's weakness, but rather, expecting that person to rely all the more on Him to bear it. I personally believe that we will never be able to completely eliminate the feelings God put in us because that's how He designed us, for whatever reason.
The chemical elimination of sex, feelings, and emotion would be like trying to keep the Titanic afloat, or to continue building the Tower of Babel. But, then again, that's just MY opinion.
I know you won't find this answer very helpful and will probably just blast me as you've done with so many others who have tried to offer suggestions here, and that's all right. I'm just writing this reply as a way of stating some alternative points of view, which I know you don't accept, because the only one you accept is your own.
I also read your post a while back in which you said you have a tendency to exaggerate things, so it makes me wonder if you're going through an especially challenging time that's causing you to vent so much anger and bitterness. I do hope that things get better for you, and your plight will be in my prayers.
I started out following this thread and feeling a lot of sympathy for you because I can relate to a lot of what you say, but now this thread just seems like your own personal space to blow off a lot of steam and blast anyone with an opinion that you see as contradictory to your own, because you believe you've seen it all and also have all the answers.
I understand sexual feelings often seeming to be more of a burden than anything else, but might I suggest that if you get a chance, use some of that extra energy to invest in researching a few books and movies that describe a world very similar to what you're calling for.
Two movies that immediately came to mind as I was reading your posts were:
In this movie, it's not necessarily sex but emotions that are seen as the enemy, because it it argued that emotions such as anger and jealousy cause people to commit crimes like murder and go to war with one another, so all emotion must be eradicated. Therefore, all citizens are force to take drugs that suppress emotions, and signs of outward emotional expression result in arrest and execution.
And here is another fairly recent movie which depicts a society very similar to what you are endorsing:
In this film, society hails the eradication of most sicknesses as a monumental triumph, and both emotion and sex are seen as being abnormal, unlawful behavior. As it seems to be a common theme in thinking such as you described in your posts, emotions are also regulated with medication and sex is strictly forbidden. Your post made it sound as if you believe you are the first person who believes in trying to eliminate sex via medication. I know that you cite sexual crimes as one reason for chemically eliminating sex, but are you aware that it already exists? I would like to suggest doing some research on the attempted chemical castration of pedophiles--apparently, it doesn't work.
But your posts make it sound as if you believe you are the first person to think of such things, because you seem to be completely unaware of the fact that others have arrived to these conclusions long ago, and some have even tried to carry them out. Check it out and see what happened when they did.
In this film (Equals), because regular sex is considered an abomination, human reproduction is carried on solely through artificial insemination, and again, any sign of emotional interaction is met with an arrest and "reprogramming" or termination by the government.
Take some time investing in the works of others who have a similar train of thought as the way that you're thinking now. I know that you're going to say this is different because you're advocating the elimination of sex and not emotions, but if you take the time to consider other's point of view (who even share similar thoughts as you), you might find some of the speculations interesting.
I also find it interesting that you seem to automatically assume that sex is a problem for everyone, and that almost everyone is going to turn into some deviant sexual criminal unless all sex drives are destroyed.
I couldn't help but think of the bottle of Captain Morgan's rum I have in the back of my kitchen pantry. I bought it for a recipe I was trying last year and haven't touched it since. I was just thinking of the time in the history of the United States when people thought the same of alcohol as you do of sex, and therefore tried to make it illegal, and it didn't go very well. I'm certainly not saying that certain things shouldn't be regulated, but what I AM saying is that it is an error to assume that everyone will misuse or abuse something that you have problems with yourself, because you are only considering your own point of view.
I often wonder as well why God allowed sex when He knew it would cause so many problems in a sinful world, but for some reason, He chose to allow it, just as when Paul asked God to take away the "thorn in his flesh", God told him no, because His power was made perfect in weakness.
God's answer doesn't seem to be in taking away one's weakness, but rather, expecting that person to rely all the more on Him to bear it. I personally believe that we will never be able to completely eliminate the feelings God put in us because that's how He designed us, for whatever reason.
The chemical elimination of sex, feelings, and emotion would be like trying to keep the Titanic afloat, or to continue building the Tower of Babel. But, then again, that's just MY opinion.
I know you won't find this answer very helpful and will probably just blast me as you've done with so many others who have tried to offer suggestions here, and that's all right. I'm just writing this reply as a way of stating some alternative points of view, which I know you don't accept, because the only one you accept is your own.
I also read your post a while back in which you said you have a tendency to exaggerate things, so it makes me wonder if you're going through an especially challenging time that's causing you to vent so much anger and bitterness. I do hope that things get better for you, and your plight will be in my prayers.
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Thank you for your words and prayers.
I have heard of the first movie, and I understand fiction is a way for us to explore the potential consequences of things that are either not possible in real life or too dangerous to explore in real life. I don't get my morality from movies though. However, since we're talking about movies and TV, allow me to recommend some of my own.
http://nwamotherlode.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/sherlock.jpg
https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/original/1UZIbhH4y5OZVNpbgtwDYKdq6MH.jpg
https://img.thedailybeast.com/image...osters/151023-lendof-james-bond-03_ecavax.jpg
This show and Spock in this movie, as well as James Bond to an extent. Pretty much demonstrate the kind of mind that I have to live with. One that thinks almost completely logically and has either never had the chance to have a romance, or were simply never interested.
There's a reason Sherlock Holmes and James Bond are regarded as two of the greatest fictional characters of all time. Casino Royale was the first Bond movie to portray him as he originally was in the books, a man of few words, he gets in, he gets out, he gets the job done. In the prologue we see him get his kills that make him a double-0 agent.
As he kills this one guy, you get a quick flash of the guy's family photo. This set up to portray that Bond is a cold, dark assassin. He will take you out, even if you're a family man. If that's his job, he's gonna get the job done.
Not to mention there's a scene where it looks like he might get with this one lady, but once he gets the info he needs, he leaves, he doesn't sleep with her. He's an assassin on the job.
This movie also pretty much explained why he has these sexual escapades. He falls in love with a woman known as Vesper Lynd, and she ends up betraying him and even allows herself to drown. And when Bond gets on the phone with M, he says, "Forget about it. The b*tch is dead."
Sherlock Holmes is much the same. Maybe not as cold as James Bond, but he's never been interested in romance 'cause he thinks almost completely logically, trying to explain emotions to him is like trying to explain calculus to a 3-year-old. He doesn't understand it. Not that he doesn't have emotions, that's just not his default way of thinking. In fact he considers himself married to his job. And he does it not because he has this moral drive. He does it because he's egotistical and wants people, both law-abiding and criminals, to know that he's smart.
And just like Bond, if he has a job that needs to be done, he's gonna get it done. And he doesn't let petty emotion get in his way. Take this scene from "A Scandal in Belgravia."
Sherlock Holmes: Sentiment is a chemical defect found in the losing side.
Irene Adler: Sentiment? What are you talking about?
Sherlock Holmes: You.
Irene Adler: Oh, look at the poor man. You don't actually think I was interested in you? Why? Because you're the great Sherlock Holmes, the clever detective in the funny hat?
Sherlock Holmes: No...[Takes her hand and leans in to whisper] because I took your pulse. Elevated. Your pupils dilated. I imagine John Watson thinks love’s a mystery to me, but the chemistry is incredibly simple and very destructive. When we first met, you told me that a disguise is always a self-portrait, how true of you, the combination to your safe – your measurements. [Holds up her phone] But this, this is far more intimate. This is your heart, and you should never let it rule your head. [He starts entering digits] You could have chosen any random number and walked out of here today with everything you worked for. But you just couldn't resist it, could you? I've always assumed that love is a dangerous disadvantage. Thank you for the final proof.
[She grabs his hand, desperate. Tears are starting to form]
Irene Adler: Everything I said. It's not real. I was just playing the game.
Sherlock Holmes: I know. And this is just losing.
[He holds up her phone, having finally deduced her password. It reads I AM S-H-E-R LOCKED]
Irene Adler's little crush on him was what ultimately got her caught. I know how people think. I know how people think I think.
With that, let's move onto Spock. Spock is about the closest you can get to a person with high-functioning autism. He doesn't fit in with either humans or Vulcans. He has emotions, but he also thinks very logically like Vulcans do.
His father even says, "Emotions run deep within our race. In many ways, more deeply than in humans. Logic therefore is a defense mechanism. To control your emotions to make sure that they don't control you."
It's not that people with high-functioning autism don't feel emotion. If anything, we may feel more emotion than most people. The issue is that I've seen and experienced what happens when I or someone else gives into that in a moment of weakness.
And it costs them or me A LOT. Just earlier I had a very nasty fight with a loved one where I was screaming and saying all sorts of bad things, 'cause I felt that was the only way to get their attention. In hindsight, I see how awful that was. I gave into intense emotion, and I really hurt that person. They may forgive me but the guilt remains.
In Star Trek 2009, Spock Prime tells Kirk that a captain can be relieved of their duties if they're emotionally compromised. He tells Kirk to go and make his younger self see that. Spock has been keeping all this rage about his mother's murder bottled up, and it results in this scene happening.
Kirk: What's it like? Not to feel anger or heartbreak, or the need to stop at nothing to avenge the death of the woman who gave birth to you?
Spock: Back away from me-
Kirk: You feel nothing! It must not even compute for you! You never loved her! [Spock attacks Kirk in anger]
Sarek: [Spock is choking Kirk] Spock!
Spock: [breaks off; to McCoy] Doctor, I am no longer fit for duty. I hereby relinquish my command on the grounds that I have been emotionally compromised. Please note the time and date in the ship's log.
So you see where I'm coming from? I have huge, huge regrets because of times when I acted out emotionally. And I've seen too many times people choosing feelings over facts. It's one reason why half of all marriages end in divorce. People get bored with their spouses and fall out of love just as fast as they fell into it. Plus, STDs and unwanted pregnancies do not care how much you don't want them. They're going to happen because you chose emotion over reason.
I have heard of the first movie, and I understand fiction is a way for us to explore the potential consequences of things that are either not possible in real life or too dangerous to explore in real life. I don't get my morality from movies though. However, since we're talking about movies and TV, allow me to recommend some of my own.
http://nwamotherlode.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/sherlock.jpg
https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/original/1UZIbhH4y5OZVNpbgtwDYKdq6MH.jpg
https://img.thedailybeast.com/image...osters/151023-lendof-james-bond-03_ecavax.jpg
This show and Spock in this movie, as well as James Bond to an extent. Pretty much demonstrate the kind of mind that I have to live with. One that thinks almost completely logically and has either never had the chance to have a romance, or were simply never interested.
There's a reason Sherlock Holmes and James Bond are regarded as two of the greatest fictional characters of all time. Casino Royale was the first Bond movie to portray him as he originally was in the books, a man of few words, he gets in, he gets out, he gets the job done. In the prologue we see him get his kills that make him a double-0 agent.
As he kills this one guy, you get a quick flash of the guy's family photo. This set up to portray that Bond is a cold, dark assassin. He will take you out, even if you're a family man. If that's his job, he's gonna get the job done.
Not to mention there's a scene where it looks like he might get with this one lady, but once he gets the info he needs, he leaves, he doesn't sleep with her. He's an assassin on the job.
This movie also pretty much explained why he has these sexual escapades. He falls in love with a woman known as Vesper Lynd, and she ends up betraying him and even allows herself to drown. And when Bond gets on the phone with M, he says, "Forget about it. The b*tch is dead."
Sherlock Holmes is much the same. Maybe not as cold as James Bond, but he's never been interested in romance 'cause he thinks almost completely logically, trying to explain emotions to him is like trying to explain calculus to a 3-year-old. He doesn't understand it. Not that he doesn't have emotions, that's just not his default way of thinking. In fact he considers himself married to his job. And he does it not because he has this moral drive. He does it because he's egotistical and wants people, both law-abiding and criminals, to know that he's smart.
And just like Bond, if he has a job that needs to be done, he's gonna get it done. And he doesn't let petty emotion get in his way. Take this scene from "A Scandal in Belgravia."
Sherlock Holmes: Sentiment is a chemical defect found in the losing side.
Irene Adler: Sentiment? What are you talking about?
Sherlock Holmes: You.
Irene Adler: Oh, look at the poor man. You don't actually think I was interested in you? Why? Because you're the great Sherlock Holmes, the clever detective in the funny hat?
Sherlock Holmes: No...[Takes her hand and leans in to whisper] because I took your pulse. Elevated. Your pupils dilated. I imagine John Watson thinks love’s a mystery to me, but the chemistry is incredibly simple and very destructive. When we first met, you told me that a disguise is always a self-portrait, how true of you, the combination to your safe – your measurements. [Holds up her phone] But this, this is far more intimate. This is your heart, and you should never let it rule your head. [He starts entering digits] You could have chosen any random number and walked out of here today with everything you worked for. But you just couldn't resist it, could you? I've always assumed that love is a dangerous disadvantage. Thank you for the final proof.
[She grabs his hand, desperate. Tears are starting to form]
Irene Adler: Everything I said. It's not real. I was just playing the game.
Sherlock Holmes: I know. And this is just losing.
[He holds up her phone, having finally deduced her password. It reads I AM S-H-E-R LOCKED]
Irene Adler's little crush on him was what ultimately got her caught. I know how people think. I know how people think I think.
With that, let's move onto Spock. Spock is about the closest you can get to a person with high-functioning autism. He doesn't fit in with either humans or Vulcans. He has emotions, but he also thinks very logically like Vulcans do.
His father even says, "Emotions run deep within our race. In many ways, more deeply than in humans. Logic therefore is a defense mechanism. To control your emotions to make sure that they don't control you."
It's not that people with high-functioning autism don't feel emotion. If anything, we may feel more emotion than most people. The issue is that I've seen and experienced what happens when I or someone else gives into that in a moment of weakness.
And it costs them or me A LOT. Just earlier I had a very nasty fight with a loved one where I was screaming and saying all sorts of bad things, 'cause I felt that was the only way to get their attention. In hindsight, I see how awful that was. I gave into intense emotion, and I really hurt that person. They may forgive me but the guilt remains.
In Star Trek 2009, Spock Prime tells Kirk that a captain can be relieved of their duties if they're emotionally compromised. He tells Kirk to go and make his younger self see that. Spock has been keeping all this rage about his mother's murder bottled up, and it results in this scene happening.
Kirk: What's it like? Not to feel anger or heartbreak, or the need to stop at nothing to avenge the death of the woman who gave birth to you?
Spock: Back away from me-
Kirk: You feel nothing! It must not even compute for you! You never loved her! [Spock attacks Kirk in anger]
Sarek: [Spock is choking Kirk] Spock!
Spock: [breaks off; to McCoy] Doctor, I am no longer fit for duty. I hereby relinquish my command on the grounds that I have been emotionally compromised. Please note the time and date in the ship's log.
So you see where I'm coming from? I have huge, huge regrets because of times when I acted out emotionally. And I've seen too many times people choosing feelings over facts. It's one reason why half of all marriages end in divorce. People get bored with their spouses and fall out of love just as fast as they fell into it. Plus, STDs and unwanted pregnancies do not care how much you don't want them. They're going to happen because you chose emotion over reason.
This is one big reason why abuse is so widespread in the church, because we prioritize love for perpetrators over love for victims. I've read about only one pastor who found out that his own father, his church's pastor, had been molesting and abusing women and girls for decades. And instead of saying, "Oh, you're wrong! I love my father! He would never do that!" He believed them.
Although he was devastated, he had the backbone to turn his father in. He didn't allow his love for his father to cloud his judgment. And that's what I'm gonna say to someone in that position. "Oh, boo hoo, your loved one is going to jail because they molested children? Too bad. They made a choice they knew was wicked and wrong. Whether you love them or not, scum like that belong in a jail cell."
Although he was devastated, he had the backbone to turn his father in. He didn't allow his love for his father to cloud his judgment. And that's what I'm gonna say to someone in that position. "Oh, boo hoo, your loved one is going to jail because they molested children? Too bad. They made a choice they knew was wicked and wrong. Whether you love them or not, scum like that belong in a jail cell."
Thank you for being so open and for sharing, History Princess.
I definitely agree that people will often choose emotion over reason, but for some reason, God sees fit to let this be. I don't know why but I do intend to list that as one of my many questions for Him when I get to heaven.
Because we are made in the image of God, the emotions we experience (and often cater to) are modeled after those feelings God experiences Himself. This has always been a person interest of mine. I am most interested in the passages in which God is expressing emotion: joy, delight, anger, sorrow, vengeance, and even a form of "regret" (the Bible says that before the flood, God could see that every inclination of man's heart was evil and He was sorry that He had placed man on the earth.)
However, I would argue, and I could be wrong, that even God Himself gives in to emotions, because He chose to give man another chance. This defies all logic, and to me, can only be explained by an unexplainable love that God must have for His creations.
Another favorite story of mine is when King David's disobedience brings about a plague and destroying angel who is killing people right and left, and God says eventually, "STOP." It's as if even God, in carrying out a decree of punishment that He saw fit, could only handle so much when it came to the suffering of His creations.
But I know the big question is, why does He allow them to suffer at all. Again, I have to ask that one to my list of questions.
Thank you for hearing me out. I can tell from your posts that you have a need to blow of steam, but often regret the aftermath, and therefore take out the steam from blowing off the original steam in places like this forum. Believe me, it's something we all do. I understand where you're coming from and will pray that God will help you find better ways to channel your frustrations (and that He will show you other means of getting people's attention.)
As a final thought... You definitely seem to have a vast knowledge of the Star Trek universe, which I know would give you something in common to talk about with several people here (and Wisebeardman would be one of them.) If you find some of the examples fro these shows helpful, maybe you'd want to start a thread looking for other people who are familiar with them, in order to start a discussion about what you found interesting or notable in some of the episodes?
God bless you and I hope you find what you're looking for.
I definitely agree that people will often choose emotion over reason, but for some reason, God sees fit to let this be. I don't know why but I do intend to list that as one of my many questions for Him when I get to heaven.
Because we are made in the image of God, the emotions we experience (and often cater to) are modeled after those feelings God experiences Himself. This has always been a person interest of mine. I am most interested in the passages in which God is expressing emotion: joy, delight, anger, sorrow, vengeance, and even a form of "regret" (the Bible says that before the flood, God could see that every inclination of man's heart was evil and He was sorry that He had placed man on the earth.)
However, I would argue, and I could be wrong, that even God Himself gives in to emotions, because He chose to give man another chance. This defies all logic, and to me, can only be explained by an unexplainable love that God must have for His creations.
Another favorite story of mine is when King David's disobedience brings about a plague and destroying angel who is killing people right and left, and God says eventually, "STOP." It's as if even God, in carrying out a decree of punishment that He saw fit, could only handle so much when it came to the suffering of His creations.
But I know the big question is, why does He allow them to suffer at all. Again, I have to ask that one to my list of questions.
Thank you for hearing me out. I can tell from your posts that you have a need to blow of steam, but often regret the aftermath, and therefore take out the steam from blowing off the original steam in places like this forum. Believe me, it's something we all do. I understand where you're coming from and will pray that God will help you find better ways to channel your frustrations (and that He will show you other means of getting people's attention.)
As a final thought... You definitely seem to have a vast knowledge of the Star Trek universe, which I know would give you something in common to talk about with several people here (and Wisebeardman would be one of them.) If you find some of the examples fro these shows helpful, maybe you'd want to start a thread looking for other people who are familiar with them, in order to start a discussion about what you found interesting or notable in some of the episodes?
God bless you and I hope you find what you're looking for.
Ancient theologians and medieval theologians would disagree with you about God giving into emotion. God has a trait called immutability, meaning he's not prone to wild mood swings like people are.
And as I keep saying, animals act on emotion. We have the ability to think reasonably. We protect children, the disabled and the elderly. Those are same types of categories animals choose when they go hunting.
In all honesty, if you were to ask me which one I prefer, love or fairness, I would choose fairness. I know, God doesn't give us what we deserve. I love God, and I know he's always right, but I don't have to agree with or like everything he does. For one thing, I'm sick of people using grace as an excuse to not turn people in for terrible crimes. You can't tell me people don't do that.
I've always been very rules oriented than feelings oriented 'cause that's how my brain works. And that's why relationships have always been a mystery to me, 'cause there's no rulebook. And asking me to just stop following rules is like asking me to stop breathing. It's not something I can just turn on and off.
I've never been a girly-girl for one thing. I've never been into flashy clothes, jewelry, or makeup. I always thought, "Why look good if I'm so uncomfortable wearing this?" I've also always been introverted and shy and I was never one to do what everyone else did. I was content to do my own thing.
Even so, having never dated at 24 years old, despite how often I get out, I've essentially missed what a lot of people consider a rite of passage. I can't relate to all this relationship theology, 'cause I've never been in love or really have gotten close to anyone, 'cause I pretty much just don't have that capability.
You can't imagine how isolating it is not to feel fully human, and to have it shoved in your face literally every day. I'm the only young person in my big extended family who isn't married or has a significant other, and the only one who's never had one period.
I've spent more than one night crying about it, being lonely and wanting relationships, but not being able to have them 'cause God apparently didn't want to wire me that way. And yes, it's made me very angry and resentful. But you know what? Sometimes, I like being angry, as long as I don't act out on it. It makes me feel like my voice matters and that it's important. At times, the only person I can really count on is me.
I've tried relating to God in having a "relationship" with him. Believe me, I tried hard. And nothing changed. It felt unnatural and forced, trying to relate to someone I can't sense with my five natural senses. And since I don't view God or relate to him the same way everyone else does, it makes it all the more isolating.
I actually am not a Trekkie at all, I only watched it 'cause my sister wanted to. But I got really into it.
And as I keep saying, animals act on emotion. We have the ability to think reasonably. We protect children, the disabled and the elderly. Those are same types of categories animals choose when they go hunting.
In all honesty, if you were to ask me which one I prefer, love or fairness, I would choose fairness. I know, God doesn't give us what we deserve. I love God, and I know he's always right, but I don't have to agree with or like everything he does. For one thing, I'm sick of people using grace as an excuse to not turn people in for terrible crimes. You can't tell me people don't do that.
I've always been very rules oriented than feelings oriented 'cause that's how my brain works. And that's why relationships have always been a mystery to me, 'cause there's no rulebook. And asking me to just stop following rules is like asking me to stop breathing. It's not something I can just turn on and off.
I've never been a girly-girl for one thing. I've never been into flashy clothes, jewelry, or makeup. I always thought, "Why look good if I'm so uncomfortable wearing this?" I've also always been introverted and shy and I was never one to do what everyone else did. I was content to do my own thing.
Even so, having never dated at 24 years old, despite how often I get out, I've essentially missed what a lot of people consider a rite of passage. I can't relate to all this relationship theology, 'cause I've never been in love or really have gotten close to anyone, 'cause I pretty much just don't have that capability.
You can't imagine how isolating it is not to feel fully human, and to have it shoved in your face literally every day. I'm the only young person in my big extended family who isn't married or has a significant other, and the only one who's never had one period.
I've spent more than one night crying about it, being lonely and wanting relationships, but not being able to have them 'cause God apparently didn't want to wire me that way. And yes, it's made me very angry and resentful. But you know what? Sometimes, I like being angry, as long as I don't act out on it. It makes me feel like my voice matters and that it's important. At times, the only person I can really count on is me.
I've tried relating to God in having a "relationship" with him. Believe me, I tried hard. And nothing changed. It felt unnatural and forced, trying to relate to someone I can't sense with my five natural senses. And since I don't view God or relate to him the same way everyone else does, it makes it all the more isolating.
I actually am not a Trekkie at all, I only watched it 'cause my sister wanted to. But I got really into it.
I would disagree about God not giving into emotion at times, because there is nothing logical about keeping a bunch of disobedient creatures in existence (let alone dying for them), but yet He does and did so.
If God always played by what's fair, He would just have allowed us all to die for disobeying Him.
And, I have always wondered why God was willing to send Jesus to die for humans, but not for angels.
However, again, that's just my opinion and observation, but that's just me.
When it comes to fairness, have you ever seen the movie, "I, Robot", in which Will Smith's character is devastated because a robot logically chooses to save him from drowning instead of a young girl? I know that logic can be seen as a bit different than fairness, but the robot simply did the calculations and concluded that Will Smith's character had a proportionately greater chance at survival, so it saved him and left the little girl to drown. I would argue that this would be one challenge that would arise when implementing your view of always choosing "fairness", because people would then argue what the exact definition of "fairness" would be.
At any rate... It definitely sounds like you have a lot going on in your life, as well of a host of conclusions as to how the world should be changed because of them, and I understand that.
I wish you the best, and will continue praying for you.
P.S. Your comment about liking being angry... Seems to describe about 95% of people now days, and is a large contributing factor as to why many of the atrocities of the world that you've mentioned repeatedly happen.
Maybe eliminating sex isn't the answer, but learning to manage anger better might be a good start (including my own.)
If God always played by what's fair, He would just have allowed us all to die for disobeying Him.
And, I have always wondered why God was willing to send Jesus to die for humans, but not for angels.
However, again, that's just my opinion and observation, but that's just me.
When it comes to fairness, have you ever seen the movie, "I, Robot", in which Will Smith's character is devastated because a robot logically chooses to save him from drowning instead of a young girl? I know that logic can be seen as a bit different than fairness, but the robot simply did the calculations and concluded that Will Smith's character had a proportionately greater chance at survival, so it saved him and left the little girl to drown. I would argue that this would be one challenge that would arise when implementing your view of always choosing "fairness", because people would then argue what the exact definition of "fairness" would be.
At any rate... It definitely sounds like you have a lot going on in your life, as well of a host of conclusions as to how the world should be changed because of them, and I understand that.
I wish you the best, and will continue praying for you.
P.S. Your comment about liking being angry... Seems to describe about 95% of people now days, and is a large contributing factor as to why many of the atrocities of the world that you've mentioned repeatedly happen.
Maybe eliminating sex isn't the answer, but learning to manage anger better might be a good start (including my own.)
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