Not By Works

Studyman · Aug 20, 2018

John 13:
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

How did Jesus love His Disciples?

Matt. 10:
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Matt. 16:
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Yes, Jesus gave us a New Commandment. As I have loved you, so love one another. But where did He say His instructions in the Law and Prophet are gone? He didn't Cee, He said exactly the opposite. Who is it that teaches He destroyed His Word's in the Law and Prophets? It isn't Him Cee, it's the same voice that tricked Eve.

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It also said the mystery was there all along. It's just that folks were not allowed to SEE IT.

I never said the old Testament was the same as the New Testament. What I did was show you what the Creator of the New Covenant said the New Covenant was. Religious man teach the New Covenant was the elimination of the Law and Prophets, the old Testament. Jesus, as the Word of God, says the New covenant is the change of the Priesthood. And that the instructions of God are still here and will still be here after he comes back.

Is. 66
16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

For me it's about what religious man says VS. what the Word of God actually says. And given I see this, and you must admit, it is compelling. But you have a choice as do we all. Do you listen to God or the other voices?

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Studyman · Aug 20, 2018

As I have said. I am interested in what the scriptures say.

Rom. 11:
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree,(Gentiles) wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

It's hard not to interpret this to mean we are not to "Walk even as Jesus walked".

Especially given His Holy Words. "For Salvation is of the Jews".

But like I said, I can show you the scripture, but religious traditions is hard to break away from. Especially of you don't really "believe" them.

It was the Law though, at least until the Seed came. Then He created a "better MINISTRY".

And he showed his belief by following the instructions of God as it is written.

Gen. 26:
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

It is this Faith that we seek after.

Thank God for His Mercy and for His Word. I have belief, but Lord God, help me in my unbelief..

UnderGrace · Aug 20, 2018

VCO said:

They typically make my head hurt

Cee · Aug 20, 2018

Studyman said:

Well the Bible says sin is transgression of God's instruction. If we look at the examples of Faith God had written for our admonition, what does it show us?. For instance, if God says, let's says "17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him," Or let's use another example God had written for us.

Gen. 12:
1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

So if Abraham had Faith, which the scriptures all say that he did, then what would he do in response to this command?

Would he do as his Lord commanded? Or would he doubt the promise of God and say in his heart. "I am already saved" God knows that in the day I reject His instruct, "THEN" my eyes will be open as Eve was convinced.

Here we have two perfect example of faith. Eve, was given instruction from God and was convinced to reject it in favor of a voice which was not God. And He had written for us another example of man who was also given instruction from God. And what did these do?

Eve chose this action. "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food", she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat.

Abram chose another path. "So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him".

One of these people is an example of no faith. And one of these people is an example or true faith.

Romans 14:
22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.

So Cee, in the examples of faith that I posted, which of the two condemned themselves and which of the two didn't condemn themselves?

23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Which person in the two examples I gave from the Word, there are many more, showed their action were not of faith in God? Please try and just rid your mind of man's preaching for a moment and honestly just answer this question. Did Abram exhibit Faith in God, or his own mind? Did Eve exhibit Faith in God, or her own mind. Which of the two were called "Faithful" and which of the two were called "sinful"?

Matt. 5:
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire

Who is Jesus talking about here? Is it not the corrupt Pharisees who "Taught for Doctrines the Commandments of men"? Who was in charge of administering God's Laws? Was it not the corrupt Priesthood?

And what did "THEY" of Old Time preach?

Matt. 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

And what did the Word which became Flesh, the Word which was before Abraham. The Word which Abraham saw and was glad, the man Jesus say before He became Flesh Cee?

Lev. 19:
17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

So Cee, "THEM" of Old Time taught part of God's Law, at least according to Jesus, like "an eye for an eye", but they omitted the more important parts of God's Laws. like showing Mercy to your brother.

This is what the Bible teaches. Religious man teaches that the "Them of old Time" was God. That God didn't teach righteousness in the OT, that Jesus had to come and correct Him, set Him straight. It is an insidious lie Cee, One that I hope you can discern and escape from.

If you don't mind I would like to address the rest of your reply in another post.

I figured out why your posts are so long. And nothing against you, but you reply to arguments that you create.

I didn’t say righteousness wasn’t taught in the OT. I said a greater requirement is placed on believers because Jesus is dealing with our hearts now.

And you’re seriously jumping over hoops to try to disagree with me.

It’s a simple fact that Jesus took the OT 10 Commandments and increased our observance to our heart motivations.

He showed them it wasn’t what went into a man, but what came out. He told them to even lust after a woman was sin. To even have anger or call a brother idiot is sin.

Your agenda is clear to me. You want the NT to be the kinda new because then you can use it to preach your observance of the Law. Because you keep the Sabbath.

But the OT and the NT are miles, miles, apart. We have a far better covenant and our righteousness is based on Christ 100%.

Cee · Aug 20, 2018

Studyman said:

John 13:
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

How did Jesus love His Disciples?

Matt. 10:
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Matt. 16:
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Yes, Jesus gave us a New Commandment. As I have loved you, so love one another. But where did He say His instructions in the Law and Prophet are gone? He didn't Cee, He said exactly the opposite. Who is it that teaches He destroyed His Word's in the Law and Prophets? It isn't Him Cee, it's the same voice that tricked Eve.

...

It also said the mystery was there all along. It's just that folks were not allowed to SEE IT.

I never said the old Testament was the same as the New Testament. What I did was show you what the Creator of the New Covenant said the New Covenant was. Religious man teach the New Covenant was the elimination of the Law and Prophets, the old Testament. Jesus, as the Word of God, says the New covenant is the change of the Priesthood. And that the instructions of God are still here and will still be here after he comes back.

Is. 66
16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

For me it's about what religious man says VS. what the Word of God actually says. And given I see this, and you must admit, it is compelling. But you have a choice as do we all. Do you listen to God or the other voices?

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You ignored the obvious verse. A man who lays down His life for His friends is the greatest example of love. This is how Jesus loved His disciples.

gb9 · Aug 20, 2018

Cee said:

I figured out why your posts are so long. And nothing against you, but you reply to arguments that you create.

I didn’t say righteousness wasn’t taught in the OT. I said a greater requirement is placed on believers because Jesus is dealing with our hearts now.

And you’re seriously jumping over hoops to try to disagree with me.

It’s a simple fact that Jesus took the OT 10 Commandments and increased our observance to our heart motivations.

He showed them it wasn’t what went into a man, but what came out. He told them to even lust after a woman was sin. To even have anger or call a brother idiot is sin.

Your agenda is clear to me. You want the NT to be the kinda new because then you can use it to preach your observance of the Law. Because you keep the Sabbath.

But the OT and the NT are miles, miles, apart. We have a far better covenant and our righteousness is based on Christ 100%.

if I may add- this is why studyman demonizes the Pharisees . they add commands on top of the Torah, creating a super legalistic system that , since they created it, they could change it at their will. as he does.

PS · Aug 21, 2018

Studyman said:

He did.

Talebearers, who often pervert the truth, are among the unrighteous, as are all those who pervert the Word of God. The lesson is for all of us.

The death of Ishmael would not appease the sin's of anyone, and even though God intervened, people continued to make human and animal sacrifice, even though all that is needed is faith. Heb 11:8 It was faith that made Abraham obey when God called him to go out to a country which God had promised to give him. He left his own country without knowing where he was going.

After hundreds of years God made a NEW COVENANT with mankind and we no longer make sacrifice, other than to offer up our hearts to God in sacrifice to Him in faith believing as in the following scripture.

This is the end of the Old Covenant God made with mankind and the opening of a new beginning with God who became flesh for our salvation, thereby ending a works based salvation in a NEW COVENANT God made with man, for which I praise and thank God with all my heart. Salvation cannot be found any other way. The Old Covenant is ended.

VCO · Aug 21, 2018

Studyman said:

This should answer your QUESTION:

Commentary on Romans.

If you are from California, you may know what this is, but if not, you may not know.

This is a GRAFT of a English Walnut Tree, and it is deliberately Grafted into the Black Walnut Trunk. The Black Walnut Trunk has much deeper roots, and is naturally more bug proof, and disease proof. BUT NEVER WILL THE ENGLISH WALNUT GRAFTED IN, PRODUCE BLACK WALNUTS. Just because Gentiles are Grafted IN, DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE NOW ISRAEL. ISRAEL are like the BLACK WALNUTS, and Grafted IN Branches will NOT produce Black Walnuts. Yes we are Indebted to the Jews, because the origins of our FAITH, is from the JEWS, but WE GENTILES WILL NEVER BE ISRAEL.

Now I will give you even More Information. The WORD CHURCH, is NOT IN THE ORIGINAL BIBLE Anywhere. When Jesus said this verse, He actually Said:

Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
18 `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;

LOOK IT UP, the GREEK WORD ekklêsia meant only an ASSEMBLY as in a Religious Congregation. I am not sure when they substituted the WORD CHURCH for ASSEMBLY, but it stuck, and NOW, VERY FEW EVEN KNOW THAT JESUS SAID, "I will build my assembly." I personally think they did a Great Disservice by Changing that Word to Church. When Jesus first said that, He was NOT talking to the N.T. Assembly. He was talking to the Last of the O.T. Assembly. The Church or N.T. Assembly did not start until HIS death on the Cross at the earliest.

I do not know how so MANY have misunderstood these following Verses:

John 10:14-18 (NASB)
14 "I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me,
15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.
17 "For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again.
18 "No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father."

NOTICE: He is speaking to the last of the O.T. ASSEMBLY, and the OTHER Sheep He must Bring also, is the N.T. ASSEMBLY. NOW, when do we become Part of the Same ASSEMBLY? Obviously it has not happened yet, and it will be at the Rapture, or the Calling Out of the ASSEMBLY HE HAS BUILT. THEN WE WILL BE ONE ASSEMBLY. And Even then we will not be ISRAEL, we will be:

John 1:12-13 (NASB)
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

O.T. ASSEMBLY are those who BELIEVED GOD would send a MESSIAH.

N.T. ASSEMBLY are those who BELIEVE GOD Did send a MESSIAH.

One final Thought. WHEN the Second Coming, to set up the 1000 Year Kingdom with Christ Ruling the World from Jerusalem, actually happens, the Mortals to repopulate ISRAEL, will be the 144,000 and their descendants; AND THEY WILL STILL BE IN ISRAEL.
Read Zech. 14:1-21.[/quote]

blue_ladybug · Aug 21, 2018

UnderGrace said:

I don't even bother reading insanely long posts.. lol

BIG waste of time.

blue_ladybug · Aug 21, 2018

Cee said:

Look Cee, I'm not gonna ask again. GIMME THAT COOOKIEEEE!!!! Just hand it over quietly and I won't hurt you.. LOL

lightbearer · Aug 21, 2018

The Rest to which Israel was to enter was the Gospel. This is testified via verses 1 and 2. If they and we enter into this rest; the Gospel GOD speaks of the Sabbath again; verses 3 and 4.

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith ( Christ; the Word in our hearts and mouths; that is the Word of Faith in which we preach) in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest (the Gospel), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For HE spake in a certain place (Mt Sinai in the giving of the Commandments; because that is the instance to which GOD spoke of the Seventh Day) of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again (HE speaks), If they shall enter into my rest (the Gospel). Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein (the Gospel, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in (the Gospel) because of unbelief (rebellious hardhearted stiff necked disobedience): Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore (back to verses 3 and 4) a rest (a Sabbath Keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from HIS ( on the Seventh Day because in this place again GOD speaks).

As GOD did from HIS is a DIRECT COMPARISON. We cease from work like GOD did. GOD did not cease from trying to work out HIS own righteousness outside of Christ. GOD rested the Seventh Day from all HIS work which HE had made. Physical labor not Spiritual!
(Heb 4:1-10 KJV)

PS said:

No contradiction. Two different rests being distinguished by two different Greek words. Sentence structure makes a distinction between the two also.

There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbatismo; a Sabbath Keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (Kataplausis; the Gospel), he also hath ceases from his own works, as God did from HIS ( on the Seventh Day because in this place again GOD speaks)
Two different rests. The Gospel and a Sabbath keeping as was kept like GOD. If you follow the sentence structure you will notice a Sabbath keeping remains to the people of GOD. Those who have entered into there rest; the Gospel also cease from from their own works as GOD did from HIS.

As was said above As GOD did from HIS is a DIRECT COMPARISON. We cease from work like GOD did. GOD did not cease from trying to work out HIS own righteousness outside of Christ LIKE WE DO. GOD rested the Seventh Day from all HIS work which HE had made. Physical labor not Spiritual!

PS said:

Jesus' work was a Spiritual work done to minister to others and further the Gospel. Not a physical work which purpose was for himself; a Spiritual one.

gb9 · Aug 21, 2018

Cee said:

lightbearer said:

The Rest to which Israel was to enter was the Gospel. This is testified via verses 1 and 2. If they and we enter into this rest; the Gospel GOD speaks of the Sabbath again; verses 3 and 4.

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith ( Christ; the Word in our hearts and mouths; that is the Word of Faith in which we preach) in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest (the Gospel), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For HE spake in a certain place (Mt Sinai in the giving of the Commandments; because that is the instance to which GOD spoke of the Seventh Day) of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again (HE speaks), If they shall enter into my rest (the Gospel). Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein (the Gospel, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in (the Gospel) because of unbelief (rebellious hardhearted stiff necked disobedience): Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore (back to verses 3 and 4) a rest (a Sabbath Keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from HIS ( on the Seventh Day because in this place again GOD speaks).

As GOD did from HIS is a DIRECT COMPARISON. We cease from work like GOD did. GOD did not cease from trying to work out HIS own righteousness outside of Christ. GOD rested the Seventh Day from all HIS work which HE had made. Physical labor not Spiritual!
(Heb 4:1-10 KJV)
No contradiction. Two different rests being distinguished by two different Greek words. Sentence structure makes a distinction between the two also.

There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbatismo; a Sabbath Keeping) to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest (Kataplausis; the Gospel), he also hath ceases from his own works, as God did from HIS ( on the Seventh Day because in this place again GOD speaks)
Two different rests. The Gospel and a Sabbath keeping as was kept like GOD. If you follow the sentence structure you will notice a Sabbath keeping remains to the people of GOD. Those who have entered into there rest; the Gospel also cease from from their own works as GOD did from HIS.

As was said above As GOD did from HIS is a DIRECT COMPARISON. We cease from work like GOD did. GOD did not cease from trying to work out HIS own righteousness outside of Christ LIKE WE DO. GOD rested the Seventh Day from all HIS work which HE had made. Physical labor not Spiritual!

Jesus' work was a Spiritual work done to minister to others and further the Gospel. Not a physical work which purpose was for himself; a Spiritual one.

Hebrews 4, v.11, the writer sums up what he has been saying about the rest- he says strive to enter the rest. does one have to strive to enter the Sabbath? no.

the writer is clearly pointing to faith in Christ, not a literal Sabbath keeping.

Studyman · Aug 21, 2018

Cee said:

Jesus did more than just let a bunch of self proclaimed "children of God" ridicule, discredit and kill Him because He gave them the truth of God's Word.

but religious traditions are hard to overcome.

PS · Aug 21, 2018

lightbearer said:

There are two rests. One is Sabbath rest, but there REMAINETH another rest (v9) which we as Christians are told to labour to enter into. The second rest is the rest that comes from our belief in God. The unbeliever, even if they religiously keep the 4th commandment, will not enter into the presence of God which is the second rest.

Heb 4:9-11 KJV There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. (10) For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. (11) Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

It is true that sabbatismos means Sabbath rest, but as Christians we need to look forward to that heavenly rest from our earthly toils and troubles. Please don't sell yourself and others short. We need to encourage each other to draw closer to God in love and adoration. The first rest is something we do, the second rest is God's gift to His people who worship Him in spirit and in truth that comes from the heart and is not earned by acts of law keeping.

1. a keeping Sabbath.

2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians (R. V. sabbath rest): Hebrews 4:9. (Plutarch, de superstit. c. 3; ecclesiastical writings.)

https://biblehub.com/greek/4520.htm

Studyman · Aug 21, 2018

Cee said:

And does disobedience and dishonor and iniquity come from within or without? Look Cee, I get it. You are all set. I just don't trust the doctrines of religious man, rather, as Jesus instructed. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Luke 16:
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead

Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, (Word which became Flesh) Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

As it is to this day.

mailmandan · Aug 21, 2018

PS said:

Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" is used no where else in the Bible! Amazing that Sabbatarians would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else, in spite of the many references to Jews keeping the weekly Sabbath in the New Testament!

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary on "Rest" proves the Sabbatarian argument wrong:

A2. KATAPAUSIS (2663), in classical Greek, denotes a causing to cease or putting to rest; in the N.T., rest, repose; it is used (a) of God's rest, Acts 7:49; Heb. 3:11, 18; 4:1, 3 (twice), R.V. (1st part), "that rest" (the A.V., "rest," is ambiguous), 5, 11; (b) in a general statement, applicable to God and man, 4:10.

A4. SABBATISMOS (4520), a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, 4:10, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into Divine rest, that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God.

PS · Aug 21, 2018

mailmandan said:

Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" is used no where else in the Bible! Amazing that Sabbatarians would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else, in spite of the many references to Jews keeping the weekly Sabbath in the New Testament!

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary on "Rest" proves the Sabbatarian argument wrong:

A2. KATAPAUSIS (2663), in classical Greek, denotes a causing to cease or putting to rest; in the N.T., rest, repose; it is used (a) of God's rest, Acts 7:49; Heb. 3:11, 18; 4:1, 3 (twice), R.V. (1st part), "that rest" (the A.V., "rest," is ambiguous), 5, 11; (b) in a general statement, applicable to God and man, 4:10.

A4. SABBATISMOS (4520), a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, 4:10, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into Divine rest, that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God.

A permanent God given rest with Him.

Cee · Aug 21, 2018

Studyman said:

And does disobedience and dishonor and iniquity come from within or without? Look Cee, I get it. You are all set. I just don't trust the doctrines of religious man, rather, as Jesus instructed. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Luke 16:
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead

Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, (Word which became Flesh) Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

As it is to this day.

Yes it is. People refuse to walk in to His rest. They think they have to do something to earn it. They have to observe this or that. And they ignore the simple Scriptures that refute them.

Cee · Aug 21, 2018

Studyman said:

Yes, they are. Especially when Scripture is so clear, right?

I mean Jesus Himself says no greater love is there than this... but let’s ignore that for our own definitions.

star · Aug 21, 2018

In my devotions this morning God's Word explained how He was concerned about our acceptance of Christ's work on the Cross instead of our works and trying for accomplishments.

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