BIBLE VERSES EXPLAINING SOME TEACHINGS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

[FirstLovedByHim]

How do you know Mary soul able to hear a billion catholic, is she God?

Are you God? You speak in earthly terms. Why bother working if you do not believe Christ? You assume every Catholic is even praying, are you God? I am defending Mother Mary not every Catholic but every Christian who believes in the reward of hard work on earth. I care not , their denomination. Within all Denominations there is devotion to Mother Mary even some Protestants do, hence the Lutheran Rosary,
Orthodox - The Rule of Theotokos. So it is not just a Catholic thing ex.... It is a Christian thing. Mary was with the first Church and with all believers after- throughout time. No one denomination holds claim over her. I do not believe in all things in all the existing denominations but I do embrace the truth they hold, and Mother Mary is a Truth all should hold.

 

[Jackson123]

Are you God? You speak in earthly terms. Why bother working if you do not believe Christ? You assume every Catholic is even praying, are you God? I am defending Mother Mary not every Catholic but every Christian who believes in the reward of hard work on earth. I care not , their denomination. Within all Denominations there is devotion to Mother Mary even some Protestants do, hence the Lutheran Rosary,
Orthodox - The Rule of Theotokos. So it is not just a Catholic thing ex.... It is a Christian thing. Mary was with the first Church and with all believers after- throughout time. No one denomination holds claim over her. I do not believe in all things in all the existing denominations but I do embrace the truth they hold, and Mother Mary is a Truth all should hold.

Why you ask If I am God? I am not able to hear billion or million or thousand people pray in the same time in hundreds different place. So I am not God

Not every catholic pray to Mary, but at least oN sunday in thousand church in south america pray to Mary. Is she omnipresent like God?

 

[Jackson123]

If I believed HALF the lies on this thread about the Catholic Church, I would hate her TWICE as much.

Jamees is a beginner and English is a second language. I agree with his content, but not his style. Flooding with off topic misrepresentations is not fair. Standard anti-Catholic replies often goes in 15 directions at once, and his tactic is the same and it doesn't work.

You say, you agree with his content, why you say not fair.

Let follow deductive Logic model

Aristoteles the father of deductive Logic give example

All human are mortal

Socrates is human

So Socrates is mortal.

That mean:
A you agree with his content
B his content is not fair

C. You agree with not fair

 

[Miri]

John 21:25 NKJV
[25] And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written
one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that
would be written. Amen.



First the thingy you posted is hard to see. But going straight to the
first about not everything is in the bible. Yes Jesus did lots of
things not recorded as the bible would be too big to record them all.

That doesn’t mean we can make it up as we go along. Anything which
contradicts the bible is not permissible. Otherwise anything would go
and everyone could do as they please using these verses. So it’s just
plain silly to use them in that way. No one with right thinking would
ever use these verses in that way.

The verses to justify purgatory don’t mean that at all. For example those
that nothing unclean enters heaven. How do they possibly confirm purgatory.
They confirm the existence of sin and the need to be clean but that’s about it.
There is no add on that says “so God creadted purgotory”.

 

[epostle]

Oral must concistance with writing.

Catholic teaching and history are not inline with bible.

How you prove from the bible peter is the first pope in rome

[Act 28 indicate PAul. Either you believe bible or catholic.

Catholic bishops discerned inspired books from fake books, preserved and compiled them. Several Catholic Councils over 3.5 centuries canonized them, and was finally made binding on all the churches at the beginning of the 4th century. The Bible is a Catholic book. Historically, the Bible came to us through the Catholic Church. That is a hard fact that even Luther agrees with. BUT, the Catholic Church is merely a custodian of the Scriptures, she does not claim to own the truths within it.

Either you accuse bible Lie or catholic Lie.
Why you believe in Lie?

If it were not for the Tradition of the Episcopate, you would have no Bible. Did you know that the authority of Scripture is a Catholic Tradition?

 

[epostle]

You say, you agree with his content, why you say not fair.

Let follow deductive Logic model

Aristoteles the father of deductive Logic give example

All human are mortal

Socrates is human

So Socrates is mortal.

That mean:
A you agree with his content
B his content is not fair

C. You agree with not fair

First I didn't say his content was not fair. I said that flooding back with 15 different topics is not fair, and Gamees was not much better.

Please, please, please use the quote feature. Correcting misquotes is a big waste of time. Worse, the one who quotes me falsely usually forgets my reply anyway.

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[Jackson123]

I do not understand what is your respon correlation with the subject.

First I didn't say his content was not fair. I said that flooding back with 15 different topics is not fair, and Gamees was not much better.

Please, please, please use the quote feature. Correcting misquotes is a big waste of time. Worse, the one who quotes me falsely usually forgets my reply anyway.

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So the content is fair.

What is in the content?



In the content, flooding 15 different topic.

Don't you say flooding 15 different topic is not fair?

Why you not say the content is not fair.

Can you Give Example when James flooding 15 different topic.?

 

[epostle]

Why you ask If I am God? I am not able to hear billion or million or thousand people pray in the same time in hundreds different place. So I am not God

Heaven is not a room down the hall. There is no time or space in heaven. Hearing many at once does not make a person omniscient, but it shows a childish view of heaven.

Not every catholic pray to Mary, but at least oN sunday in thousand church in south america pray to Mary. Is she omnipresent like God?

No. Mary is an ordinary human being with extraordinary holiness.

Catholics don't "pray to" Mary. Pray to is shorthand for asking her to go to God on my behalf, then God may or may not answer it, not Mary. She talked to her Son one earth, but for some reason you think her personal relationship with her Son died with her body???
"Pray" is another word that often gets its meaning changed.
We use "pray" in the older sense: To ask.
"Pray" is falsely defined to mean "worship".

Mary can do NOTHING without God. No miracle done by her intercession can be done without God. Mary takes prayers to God, and God may or may not answer them. Mary has no authority to answer prayers, but blessed with influence.

Mariology is the study of Mary.
Maryolatry is the worship of Mary, it is a heresy condemned by the Church and an insult to Catholics, just so you know.

The Bible tells us to honor certain people. The extra honor we give to Mary IS THE SAME KIND! We worship God and nobody/nothing else.
Talking about Mary apart from Jesus is WRONG!

REDEEMER IN THE WOMB
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[epostle]

I do not understand what is your respon correlation with the subject.

So the content is fair.

What is in the content?



In the content, flooding 15 different topic.

Don't you say flooding 15 different topic is not fair?

Why you not say the content is not fair.

Can you Give Example when James flooding 15 different topic.?

"15" is not a literal number. Hyperbole is a literary device, even Jesus used it. It means "exaggerate to make a point". Please don't argue with me over trivial matters.

 

[Jackson123]

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Heaven is not a room down the hall. There is no time or space in heaven. Hearing many at once does not make a person omniscient, but it shows a childish view of heaven.

No. Mary is an ordinary human being with extraordinary holiness.

Catholics don't "pray to" Mary. Pray to is shorthand for asking her to go to God on my behalf, then God may or may not answer it, not Mary. She talked to her Son one earth, but for some reason you think her personal relationship with her Son died with her body???
"Pray" is another word that often gets its meaning changed.
We use "pray" in the older sense: To ask.
"Pray" is falsely defined to mean "worship".

Mary can do NOTHING without God. No miracle done by her intercession can be done without God. Mary takes prayers to God, and God may or may not answer them. Mary has no authority to answer prayers, but blessed with influence.

Mariology is the study of Mary.
Maryolatry is the worship of Mary, it is a heresy condemned by the Church and an insult to Catholics, just so you know.

The Bible tells us to honor certain people. The extra honor we give to Mary IS THE SAME KIND! We worship God and nobody/nothing else.
Talking about Mary apart from Jesus is WRONG!

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REDEEMER IN THE WOMB
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Heaven is not a room Down the hall, but catholic in mexico pray from a room Down the hall. Any way, can you show me a verse that Mary able to hear thausand pray?

Indonesian catholic worship Mary statue, they pray and bow infront Mary statue, in one of their pray they ask Mary to manage their mind, they ask Mary to guide them. How Mary guide them? Can Mary talk to them?

Can the dead talk to the living ? Is there any verse in the bible God allow the dead talk to the living? My definition the dead is physical dead.

I use Google to Translate one of their pray

Submission of Prayer to Our Lady
Posted on October 17, 2014
Our Lady, Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ,
You are the noblest Queen of the World.
Be our Queen.
Show us the way to holiness,
and guide us so as not to get lost.
Manage our minds,
so we just look for the right one.
Get on with our will,
so we only want good.
Control our hearts,
so that we love each other as brothers.
Manage ourselves each and all family members.
Manage all citizens, all nations,
and world leaders.
You are to become their all-round rope
in firm unity.
Manage all humanity.
Open the path of faith for those who don't know
Your Son Jesus.
Help that all nations unite
live in harmony and peace.
Shade all humanity,
especially those who are persecuted and chased.
Beat them in oppression,
and light them in darkness,
to remain faithful to Jesus, Your Son.
Deliver all of our requests
to your Son,
The Emperor of the Kingdom of Peace,
where every prayer request is granted,
every burden of heart is lightened,
and all weaknesses are healed.
May everyone who knows His power,
and put hope in Him,
once upon a time seeing the splendor of your Son's kingdom,
who is with the Father and the Holy Spirit,
life and power, now and all time.
Amen.

 

[Jackson123]

"15" is not a literal number. Hyperbole is a literary device, even Jesus used it. It means "exaggerate to make a point". Please don't argue with me over trivial matters.

Ok now use real number, give Example James flooding with 1 or 2 different topic.

I believe James not talking different topic. For Example about not everything Jesus did written.

Than James explain that some time catholic use this verse to justify the purgatory doctrine. Yes purgatory is different topic. But the correlation is obious.

 

[epostle]

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Heaven is not a room Down the hall, but catholic in mexico pray from a room Down the hall. Any way, can you show me a verse that Mary able to hear thausand pray?

Indonesian catholic worship Mary statue, they pray and bow infront Mary statue, in one of their pray they ask Mary to manage their mind, they ask Mary to guide them. How Mary guide them? Can Mary talk to them?

Can the dead talk to the living ? Is there any verse in the bible God allow the dead talk to the living? My definition the dead is physical dead.

I use Google to Translate one of their pray

Submission of Prayer to Our Lady
Posted on October 17, 2014
Our Lady, Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ,
You are the noblest Queen of the World.
Be our Queen.
Show us the way to holiness,
and guide us so as not to get lost.
Manage our minds,
so we just look for the right one.
Get on with our will,
so we only want good.
Control our hearts,
so that we love each other as brothers.
Manage ourselves each and all family members.
Manage all citizens, all nations,
and world leaders.
You are to become their all-round rope
in firm unity.
Manage all humanity.
Open the path of faith for those who don't know
Your Son Jesus.
Help that all nations unite
live in harmony and peace.
Shade all humanity,
especially those who are persecuted and chased.
Beat them in oppression,
and light them in darkness,
to remain faithful to Jesus, Your Son.
Deliver all of our requests
to your Son,
The Emperor of the Kingdom of Peace,
where every prayer request is granted,
every burden of heart is lightened,
and all weaknesses are healed.
May everyone who knows His power,
and put hope in Him,
once upon a time seeing the splendor of your Son's kingdom,
who is with the Father and the Holy Spirit,
life and power, now and all time.
Amen.

That's six topics. I KNOW that Jesus loved His mother, but you have no proof text.

 

[Jackson123]

That's six topics. I KNOW that Jesus loved His mother, but you have no proof text.

I do not understand what do you mean when you say :you have No Proof text?

Jesus love every body,

Jesus love Mary, Jesus love me, and you.

1 John 4:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.


I believe Jesus is God how about you? If you believe Jesus is God, The word : for God is love, mean Jesus is love

What do you mean by No proof text. 1 John 4:8 is proof text

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

Why you ask If I am God? I am not able to hear billion or million or thousand people pray in the same time in hundreds different place. So I am not God

Not every catholic pray to Mary, but at least oN sunday in thousand church in south america pray to Mary. Is she omnipresent like God?

You really missed the part of inherited reward. We are told we gain family and inherit a placement in heaven over souls. If you do not want your saintly dues that is your problem. But it is clear Christ says that is our reward in heaven. All esteem given to the saints is esteem given to Christ , hence , the BODY OF CHRIST.And this esteem I speak of is too in scripture. SOLA SCRIPTURA, scripture alone has all the answers we need to know what is acceptable or not. And the prophecy and understanding the language of scripture can only be given by the Holy Spirit.. Now about esteem:

Christian Living 1 Thessalonians 5:12-14
12But we ask you, brothers, to acknowledge those who work diligently among you, who preside over you in the Lord and give you instruction. 13In love, hold them in highest regard because of their work. Live in peace with one another. 14And we urge you, brothers, to admonish the unruly, encourage the fainthearted, help the weak, and be patient with everyone.…

Well who is among us to this day? The saints of the Bible, because they have left through the written word their roles in teaching. Who preseide over us IN THE LORD?, The apostles, 24 elders Mother Mary and all holy people of the Bible John the Baptist, Abraham ex......
Their work is how we learn about God. We are told to esteem them and to live in peace- do condemn those who do just that.
Esteem:
es·teem
əˈstēm/
noun
noun: esteem

1. 1.
   respect and admiration, typically for a person.

acclaim, approbation, appreciation, favor, recognition, honor, reverence;
verb
verb: esteem; 3rd person present: esteems; past tense: esteemed; past participle: esteemed; gerund or present participle: esteeming

1. 1.
   respect and admire.

value, regard, acclaim, appreciate, like, prize, treasure, favor, revere

Venerate :
ven·er·ate
ˈvenəˌrāt/
verb
verb: venerate; 3rd person present: venerates; past tense: venerated; past participle: venerated; gerund or present participle: venerating

1. regard with great respect; revere.

reverence, worship, hallow, hold sacred, exalt, vaunt, adore, honor, respect, esteem

Esteem and venerate are the same. Now I do not believe every person the RCC calls a saint is, as too with all other denominations. I accept many but not all. It is safe to stay within the saints of the bible for sure, you could never go wrong . That is who I will tout for this purpose of explanation.
Something I have learned through study about RC, Orthodox (All) , and Protestantism (All) , each have something they want to convey to the other. But out of the desire to be the head cop on the block they fight against each other and discredit any truth from the other.
Sola Scripura- Scripture Alone is true in the fact, it is by that in which you test and make doctrine.

All Scripture is God-Breathed 2Timothy 3:15-17
…15From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is profitable for doctrine (making doctrine), for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.…

I do not believe in Papal Infallibility, for the simple fact that if a Pope says something untrue and is proven by the Word to have, then he is fallible. And through testing many doctrines by scripture of the RCC there are many things found to be fallible. Do not tell a Catholic that. They tend to tout Papal tradition over the Word. I test all denominational doctrine in all.


People should not be scared to go to scripture to prove any man's doctrine. If the doctrine can not be found , the doctrine has been rejected by Christ. People need to put aside their indoctrination and preconceived notions and start talking about what we have here in denominations. Once only what is truth in each is understood, then all that which is false is rejected . And Christ words have come to pass and will because they are truth.

The Lesson of the Fig Tree
Matthew 24 :32-35

32Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its branches become tender and sprout leaves, you know that summer is near. 33So also, when you see all these things, you know that He is near, right at the door. 34Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.


We are in the season of correction. Those who refuse it and continue to cling to falsehoods will perish with all falsehoods. I choose to His words which remain. God Bless!

 

[garee]

Are you God? You speak in earthly terms. Why bother working if you do not believe Christ? You assume every Catholic is even praying, are you God? I am defending Mother Mary not every Catholic but every Christian who believes in the reward of hard work on earth. I care not , their denomination. Within all Denominations there is devotion to Mother Mary even some Protestants do, hence the Lutheran Rosary,
Orthodox - The Rule of Theotokos. So it is not just a Catholic thing ex.... It is a Christian thing. Mary was with the first Church and with all believers after- throughout time. No one denomination holds claim over her. I do not believe in all things in all the existing denominations but I do embrace the truth they hold, and Mother Mary is a Truth all should hold.

Devotion to Mother Mary ?

Its a Catholic thing. If some of the Protestant groups venerate the things seen .They broke of from Luther who would never venerate a form of worship a human called fathers for the invisible work of God .

To cut to the chase Catholicism is founded on necromancy (.seeking the work of worker with familiar spirits as disembodied workers they must as a law of the fathers call Patron saints .

Remove that foundation and they have nothing to stand on , Catholicism simply makes the word of God without effect. It is why they hate sola scriptura) believing all things written in the law and the prophets. It make the oral traditions of the fathers which they call divine without effect . No man can serve two teaching masters , the things of God and those of men

Below is the law of the Catholic fathers that usurps the work of the Holy Spirit not seen.

Note.... (purple in parenthesis) my added comments

(Catechism 101...Law of the father) #80 "Sacred Tradition (the oral tradition first and foremost) and Sacred Scripture (the subservient) , then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal." Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age".

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

You really missed the part of inherited reward. We are told we gain family and inherit a placement in heaven over souls. If you do not want your saintly dues that is your problem. But it is clear Christ says that is our reward in heaven. All esteem given to the saints is esteem given to Christ , hence , the BODY OF CHRIST.And this esteem I speak of is too in scripture. SOLA SCRIPTURA, scripture alone has all the answers we need to know what is acceptable or not. And the prophecy and understanding the language of scripture can only be given by the Holy Spirit.. Now about esteem:

Christian Living 1 Thessalonians 5:12-14
12But we ask you, brothers, to acknowledge those who work diligently among you, who preside over you in the Lord and give you instruction. 13In love, hold them in highest regard because of their work. Live in peace with one another. 14And we urge you, brothers, to admonish the unruly, encourage the fainthearted, help the weak, and be patient with everyone.…

Well who is among us to this day? The saints of the Bible, because they have left through the written word their roles in teaching. Who preseide over us IN THE LORD?, The apostles, 24 elders Mother Mary and all holy people of the Bible John the Baptist, Abraham ex......
Their work is how we learn about God. We are told to esteem them and to live in peace- do condemn those who do just that.
Esteem:
es·teem
əˈstēm/
noun
noun: esteem

1. 1.
   respect and admiration, typically for a person.

acclaim, approbation, appreciation, favor, recognition, honor, reverence;
verb
verb: esteem; 3rd person present: esteems; past tense: esteemed; past participle: esteemed; gerund or present participle: esteeming

1. 1.
   respect and admire.

value, regard, acclaim, appreciate, like, prize, treasure, favor, revere

Venerate :
ven·er·ate
ˈvenəˌrāt/
verb
verb: venerate; 3rd person present: venerates; past tense: venerated; past participle: venerated; gerund or present participle: venerating

1. regard with great respect; revere.

reverence, worship, hallow, hold sacred, exalt, vaunt, adore, honor, respect, esteem

Esteem and venerate are the same. Now I do not believe every person the RCC calls a saint is, as too with all other denominations. I accept many but not all. It is safe to stay within the saints of the bible for sure, you could never go wrong . That is who I will tout for this purpose of explanation.
Something I have learned through study about RC, Orthodox (All) , and Protestantism (All) , each have something they want to convey to the other. But out of the desire to be the head cop on the block they fight against each other and discredit any truth from the other.
Sola Scripura- Scripture Alone is true in the fact, it is by that in which you test and make doctrine.

All Scripture is God-Breathed 2Timothy 3:15-17
…15From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is profitable for doctrine (making doctrine), for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.…

I do not believe in Papal Infallibility, for the simple fact that if a Pope says something untrue and is proven by the Word to have, then he is fallible. And through testing many doctrines by scripture of the RCC there are many things found to be fallible. Do not tell a Catholic that. They tend to tout Papal tradition over the Word. I test all denominational doctrine in all.


People should not be scared to go to scripture to prove any man's doctrine. If the doctrine can not be found , the doctrine has been rejected by Christ. People need to put aside their indoctrination and preconceived notions and start talking about what we have here in denominations. Once only what is truth in each is understood, then all that which is false is rejected . And Christ words have come to pass and will because they are truth.

The Lesson of the Fig Tree
Matthew 24 :32-35

32Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its branches become tender and sprout leaves, you know that summer is near. 33So also, when you see all these things, you know that He is near, right at the door. 34Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.


We are in the season of correction. Those who refuse it and continue to cling to falsehoods will perish with all falsehoods. I choose to His words which remain. God Bless!

I choose to be His words which remain. That is what I meant. Sometimes 5min. is not enough time to make grammatical changes. God Bless!

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

Devotion to Mother Mary ?

Its a Catholic thing. If some of the Protestant groups venerate the things seen .They broke of from Luther who would never venerate a form of worship a human called fathers for the invisible work of God .

To cut to the chase Catholicism is founded on necromancy (.seeking the work of worker with familiar spirits as disembodied workers they must as a law of the fathers call Patron saints .

Remove that foundation and they have nothing to stand on , Catholicism simply makes the word of God without effect. It is why they hate sola scriptura) believing all things written in the law and the prophets. It make the oral traditions of the fathers which they call divine without effect . No man can serve two teaching masters , the things of God and those of men

Below is the law of the Catholic fathers that usurps the work of the Holy Spirit not seen.

Note.... (purple in parenthesis) my added comments

(Catechism 101...Law of the father) #80 "Sacred Tradition (the oral tradition first and foremost) and Sacred Scripture (the subservient) , then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal." Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age".

You better continue reading what I have said . I do not tout Catholic definitions I test them according to the Word. Learn who we are in Christ. You deny others what Christ says is their due, so too shall this be for you, labor without reward.

 

[Jackson123]

You really missed the part of inherited reward. We are told we gain family and inherit a placement in heaven over souls. If you do not want your saintly dues that is your problem. But it is clear Christ says that is our reward in heaven. All esteem given to the saints is esteem given to Christ , hence , the BODY OF CHRIST.And this esteem I speak of is too in scripture. SOLA SCRIPTURA, scripture alone has all the answers we need to know what is acceptable or not. And the prophecy and understanding the language of scripture can only be given by the Holy Spirit.. Now about esteem:

Christian Living 1 Thessalonians 5:12-14
12But we ask you, brothers, to acknowledge those who work diligently among you, who preside over you in the Lord and give you instruction. 13In love, hold them in highest regard because of their work. Live in peace with one another. 14And we urge you, brothers, to admonish the unruly, encourage the fainthearted, help the weak, and be patient with everyone.…

Well who is among us to this day? The saints of the Bible, because they have left through the written word their roles in teaching. Who preseide over us IN THE LORD?, The apostles, 24 elders Mother Mary and all holy people of the Bible John the Baptist, Abraham ex......
Their work is how we learn about God. We are told to esteem them and to live in peace- do condemn those who do just that.
Esteem:
es·teem
əˈstēm/
noun
noun: esteem

1. 1.
   respect and admiration, typically for a person.

acclaim, approbation, appreciation, favor, recognition, honor, reverence;
verb
verb: esteem; 3rd person present: esteems; past tense: esteemed; past participle: esteemed; gerund or present participle: esteeming

1. 1.
   respect and admire.

value, regard, acclaim, appreciate, like, prize, treasure, favor, revere

Venerate :
ven·er·ate
ˈvenəˌrāt/
verb
verb: venerate; 3rd person present: venerates; past tense: venerated; past participle: venerated; gerund or present participle: venerating

1. regard with great respect; revere.

reverence, worship, hallow, hold sacred, exalt, vaunt, adore, honor, respect, esteem

Esteem and venerate are the same. Now I do not believe every person the RCC calls a saint is, as too with all other denominations. I accept many but not all. It is safe to stay within the saints of the bible for sure, you could never go wrong . That is who I will tout for this purpose of explanation.
Something I have learned through study about RC, Orthodox (All) , and Protestantism (All) , each have something they want to convey to the other. But out of the desire to be the head cop on the block they fight against each other and discredit any truth from the other.
Sola Scripura- Scripture Alone is true in the fact, it is by that in which you test and make doctrine.

All Scripture is God-Breathed 2Timothy 3:15-17
…15From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is profitable for doctrine (making doctrine), for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.…

I do not believe in Papal Infallibility, for the simple fact that if a Pope says something untrue and is proven by the Word to have, then he is fallible. And through testing many doctrines by scripture of the RCC there are many things found to be fallible. Do not tell a Catholic that. They tend to tout Papal tradition over the Word. I test all denominational doctrine in all.


People should not be scared to go to scripture to prove any man's doctrine. If the doctrine can not be found , the doctrine has been rejected by Christ. People need to put aside their indoctrination and preconceived notions and start talking about what we have here in denominations. Once only what is truth in each is understood, then all that which is false is rejected . And Christ words have come to pass and will because they are truth.

The Lesson of the Fig Tree
Matthew 24 :32-35

32Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its branches become tender and sprout leaves, you know that summer is near. 33So also, when you see all these things, you know that He is near, right at the door. 34Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.


We are in the season of correction. Those who refuse it and continue to cling to falsehoods will perish with all falsehoods. I choose to His words which remain. God Bless!

If I understand correctly, you believe that after you die, you become like Christ able to hear billion people pray to you, able to protect all people oN earth. Am I correct?

I do not think It is what the bible say brother. Yes we go to heaven, but we aren't become God. Yes we are part of the Christ body, but It not make us Christ.

We are part of Christ body AS soon AS we accept Him. We are part of Christ body now. Is that mean we are able to hear million people pray to us? Not me, I do not know about you.

If any body pray to me, I Will say Sorry, I am the body If Christ, but I am a human and please pray to the loving Christ directly. He is billion time more than me.

The fact that I am the body of Christ doesn't make me omnipotent or omnipresent.

I think you misinterprate what is the body of Christ mean.

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

If I understand correctly, you believe that after you die, you become like Christ able to hear billion people pray to you, able to protect all people oN earth. Am I correct?

I do not think It is what the bible say brother. Yes we go to heaven, but we aren't become God. Yes we are part of the Christ body, but It not make us Christ.

We are part of Christ body AS soon AS we accept Him. We are part of Christ body now. Is that mean we are able to hear million people pray to us? Not me, I do not know about you.

If any body pray to me, I Will say Sorry, I am the body If Christ, but I am a human and please pray to the loving Christ directly. He is billion time more than me.

The fact that I am the body of Christ doesn't make me omnipotent or omnipresent.

I think you misinterprate what is the body of Christ mean.

No sincere prayer is what is received. Are you God, what do you know, have been to heaven?
You do not know the extent of abilities in heaven. If Christ teaches " If you say to this mountain cast thy self into the sea and believe in faith- it will be received. You seem to not realize because of indoctrination and not in brotherly love but hate, the Rosary , The Rule of Theotoks, and yes even the Lutheran Rosary only ask for Mary and the saints to pray for us. Not to mention the life of Christ is meditated on through the mysteries. Only God gives answer.
Rev.8:3-4
…3Then another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, along with the prayers of all the saints, on the golden altar before the throne. 4And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose up before God from the hand of the angel.
Revelation 5:8
8 And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints;

Is mother Mary a saint? Are the apostles saints? Again if you have read, where is the saints reign from and who is it over?

 

[UnderGrace]

This is senseless bashing and your self acclaimed expertise on the above topics is based on ignorance and prejudice. None of your straw man arguments has any basis in reality. Learn from Catholic sources, not from anti-Catholic bigots.

I was Catholic, learned from Catholic sources, even read their scholars a while back.
They are off the mark so to speak in so much.
It is quite sad really, the Eucharist and the sacraments do not save, only Jesus saves.

Sometimes one has to question everything they have been taught and start fresh.
I will admit I do find the Catholic bashing difficult sometimes but for the most part it is all true, Truth supersedes emotional attachment.