Sabbath

[JaumeJ]

Neither I nor anyone whom I know who believes Jesus Christ is under the law.

Yet, we all know the law is not destroyed because Jesus teaches it is not, but He is fulfilling it in us all.

Therefor we do our best to obey the law still even though we are only saved by grace, His merciful sacrifice on the cross.

I have no need to read teh law nor to quote it to others in order to prove any point of the Word for Jesus has delineated all on how the law is to be approached by all who believe Him, yet so many run to the Old Testament in order to prove points about what we should obey without showing reference to our Teach on this simple subject.

Either a saved individual ultimately learns from Jesus Christ or he does not........the latter is in darkness and should not be heeded when "explaing" fleshly understanding..

I know the Sabbath of the Lord is a gift from the Father just for me and for all who can receive it.

Here is a thought to consider, Abraham and the Hebrews were given the Gospel of Jesus Christ before teh law, so who named the two parts of the Bible the Old and the New Testament? And why, if the Gosple predates any law?

 

[Studyman]

="Grandpa, post: 3686419, member: 93985"]Christ is not Gods Law.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 5:
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Jer. 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

Matt. 13:
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Christ is God's Law.

Ball one!

Christ is not words in our hearts and mind.

Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God

Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Romans 10:
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Eph. 6:
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Rev. 14:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God

Christ is the Walking talking Word of God. Eve and the Pharisees were convinced they could separate their Salvation from the Word of God and rely on their own words in their mind and heart. They were deceived. Religions and religious traditions come and go. But God's WORDS Last forever.

Having Christ in our minds is having God's Word's in our mind. You can't have one without the other.

Ball 2.

The law is not of faith. Galatians tells us this.

Ex. 20:
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

This is a Law of Faith.

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

This is a Law of faith.

Lev. 19:
15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

These are all part of the "Law of Faith" that the Word of God, which became Flesh, created for us. It's in your Bible.

The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time had "Omitted" the Law of Faith, at least according to the Jesus of the Bible.

Matt. 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time followed parts of God's Word, the tithing parts as it is written.

Num. 18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.

So we know the Jews who were "Bewitching" the Galatians taught part of God's Law, the parts He gave to the Levites, and omitted the parts of greater importance, like Mercy, Judgment, and Faith, all parts of God's Law.

Your preaching implies that the Jews were trying to convince the Galatians to follow all of God's Commandments, but that is a false teaching. They were trying to get the Galatians to follow "THEIR" religion which gave importance to the "WORKS OF THE LAW" (tithes, animal sacrifice for atonement of sins) all part of a "Priesthood" that Abraham didn't have. But as Jesus said, they omitted the "Law of Faith".

So the Law Paul was speaking to, that Hebrews said was "changed" was the Levitical Priesthood "works of the law" for the cleansing of sins which was added to God's Law 430 years after Abraham.

This "Law of Works" was not of Faith as Hebrews 7,8,9, and 10 clearly tells us. Paul confirms this in Romans 3.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by (the law of) faith without the deeds of the law (of works).

Regarding the Law of faith, Paul has this to say.

Rom. 2:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Ball 3.

That's what we would call strike one, strike two and strike three. Next batter...

Your judgment of LB is in error.

Ball 4. Time to change the pitcher.

 

[Dan_473]

I believe we have talked about the use of His name a number of times, Im not going to re quote each time but I will reply to the lines you made, im numbering your uote then go accordingly:

1.
Jeremiah 16:19-21, "O YHWH, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles will come to You from the ends of the earth, and will say: Surely our fathers have inherited nothing but lies and vanity of no use at all! Do men make gods for themselves? Yes, but they are powerless! Therefore behold, I will make them to know--this time I will teach them My power and might; and they will know that My Name is YHWH!"

Jeremiah 12:14-17, "This is what YHWH says against all My evil neighbors who touch the inheritance which I have caused My people Israyl to inherit: Behold, I will pluck them up from off their land, and I will pluck up the house of Yahdah from among them. And it will come to pass, after I have plucked them out, that I will return and have compassion on them, and bring them back; everyone to his heritage and everyone to his land. And it will come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of My people, to vow by My Name, saying; As surely as YHWH lives--as they once taught My people to vow by Baal (Lord) then they will be established in the midst of My people. But if they do not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, says YHWH."

2.
One I have never said a person is "condemmed" for using Jesus, but the name Jesus DID NOT EXIST when Peter was alive, it was not until the 16th century that the letter "J" was made. and to say that "we dont know the vowels" Hebrew vowels did not exist until sometime from 600ad to 1200ad, and they knew His name just fine for thousands of years. The meaning of His name comes from a root word "hayah" and it means to exist, YHWH means the self existant one, NO OTHER being can claim that the are self existant.
ALso:

Jeremiah 23:5-6, “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall raise for Dawiḏ a Branch of righteousness, and a Sovereign shall reign and act wisely, and shall do right-ruling and righteousness in the earth. In His days Yehuḏah shall be saved, and Yisra’yl dwell safely. And this is His Name whereby He shall be called: ‘יהוה our Righteousness.”​

3.
I would say we are in full agreement here, very beautiful, that is why I love Yahshua/Yahushua so much... YHWH is Salvation!

4.
We agree here.

5.
I agree about the Sept. maybe maybe not about good choices, my point was that it was common to replce YHWH with theos/kyrios, same as we see in the "NT" when speaking of the Father. Also that if the ones who knew hebrew and greek better than anyone on the planet thought those were viable translateble words, I think the same for using YHWH for theos/kyrios. If it is talking about YHWH how could someone have a problem with the use of YHWH for theos/kyrios but not have a prioblem with the use of theos/kyrios for YHWH, aslo theos/kyrios were use for nearly any pagan god of the greeks, they are titles, not "divine" as many scholrs claim, if they were divine Paul would have not use theos for satan right?

6.
we are here, my reasons are as stated above, it is rather a title showning some type of power rather than a word linked to YHWH only.

7&8.
No its not based on one line, its based on many things, Yahshua's teaching, the religious groups of that day, the teaching of the apostles, history, manuscripts, and manuscript deviation, and much more. I have studied this topic for years with all the things mentioned aboive and fact is we were not alive at that time but I dont go in the direction of a doctrine unless it has a lot of evidence pointing in that direction. Im not saying it is the original Matt, but its content is more original than anything we have is the grammar is compared to the aramaic and greek it is not even debatable and yes the people that lived in times post Messoah say Matt wrote His gospel in greek and it was translated into other languages. I take the grammatical evidence as first importance however.

9.
this is true and honeslty there is not major diviation in doctrine but there are serious errors that are not in Hberew version of matt, to me, having spent much of my life seeking truth I enjouy every shred of truth I can get, even if I have to have some times of unertianity.

10.
well you may be and if we look at the surface probably are right about this, however this view does not include Paul's past nor hellenistic influence. and to say that is not important is not true, even if one changes their past experience shapes who they are, sometimes makes you better to go through difficulties, and the hellenistic influence, if this did not exist the Septuagint and the NT would not be in greek. To say exaclty what impact this htad is WAY too much to talk about here, one would need to read a number of hisotry books and study the times and culture and know the Scriptures well to have real insogth. but in the end I would not say it's of 100% vital importance to know truth, but something to further uinderstand the nuiance and details.

so I'm curious then, do you make vows today saying "As surely as YHWH lives"? if so, do you just pronounce those four letters, or do you add vowels?

did the early Christians make vows that way? I can't think of a place in the new Testament where they do, is there one?

you're right that no one is condemned for using the name of Jesus. Now, the prophet Joel says that it will come about in that day that whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Joel uses God's personal name there. Peter says it was being fulfilled on the day of Pentecost and he later says that there's no other name available to humans by which we are saved. now, if God's personal name is available to humans today, then there's two names Available To Us by which we can be saved.

you're correct that they knew for thousands of years how to pronounce God's name. But we don't know today. And yes the root that it comes from is known, that is it I am, or I cause to be, or some other variation?

I'm not sure we're in agreement hear about the New Testament Apostles and Prophets knowing Greek and Hebrew better than anyone else on the planet. if we use John as an example, as I understand it common people back then didn't really know Hebrew, and if John wrote the Gospel the letters and revelation, he doesn't seem to know Greek very well. under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the New Testament writers use Lord when they come to the Divine name in the Old Testament quotes. now, if we replace that word Lord with the Divine name, aren't we essentially going backwards? that's how it looks to me.

I don't think theos/kyrios are interchangeable with YHWH. they are titles, but YHWH is a personal name.

are you saying that Jesus taught that the book we call Matthew was written in Hebrew?

of course you can choose to believe that Matthew was originally written in Hebrew. that would be a scholarly choice. when Paul was writing his letters two churches in Greek areas, did he write them in Hebrew? or John writing to the seven churches in Asia?

I'm not sure what you're getting at at the end of your post there. Are you saying that Paul or John actually were coerced by Jewish rabbis in the areas that they were writing to? that they would have used God's name otherwise?

 

[Shamah]

1so I'm curious then, do you make vows today saying "As surely as YHWH lives"? if so, do you just pronounce those four letters, or do you add vowels? did the early Christians make vows that way? I can't think of a place in the new Testament where they do, is there one?

2 you're right that no one is condemned for using the name of Jesus. Now, the prophet Joel says that it will come about in that day that whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Joel uses God's personal name there. Peter says it was being fulfilled on the day of Pentecost and he later says that there's no other name available to humans by which we are saved. now, if God's personal name is available to humans today, then there's two names Available To Us by which we can be saved.

3 you're correct that they knew for thousands of years how to pronounce God's name. But we don't know today. And yes the root that it comes from is known, that is it I am, or I cause to be, or some other variation?

4 I'm not sure we're in agreement hear about the New Testament Apostles and Prophets knowing Greek and Hebrew better than anyone else on the planet. if we use John as an example, as I understand it common people back then didn't really know Hebrew, and if John wrote the Gospel the letters and revelation, he doesn't seem to know Greek very well. under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the New Testament writers use Lord when they come to the Divine name in the Old Testament quotes. now, if we replace that word Lord with the Divine name, aren't we essentially going backwards? that's how it looks to me.

5 I don't think theos/kyrios are interchangeable with YHWH. they are titles, but YHWH is a personal name.

6 are you saying that Jesus taught that the book we call Matthew was written in Hebrew?

7 of course you can choose to believe that Matthew was originally written in Hebrew. that would be a scholarly choice. when Paul was writing his letters two churches in Greek areas, did he write them in Hebrew? or John writing to the seven churches in Asia?

8 I'm not sure what you're getting at at the end of your post there. Are you saying that Paul or John actually were coerced by Jewish rabbis in the areas that they were writing to? that they would have used God's name otherwise?

1 This is the last thing Yahshua said to the pharisee types as He left bayith YHWH/Solomon's Temple:

Matthew 23:38-39,38 “See! Your house is left to you laid waste, Jer 22:5."39 for I say to you, from now on you shall by no means see Me, until you say, ‘Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of יהוה!’ ” Psa 118:26." and in Hebrew Mat when he sees the women at the tomb, Yahshua says, "YHWH has saved you" rather than "greetings:, finally anytime some takes bread and "blesses" they are not blessing the bread they are saying blessing to YHWH. So similar but that exact phrase, which is found a number of times in the "OT" one we don't know everything they said and two read the passage closely, that passage is about the Gentiles that are enemies of His people, that they should basically trust and follow Him... and I pronounce it Yah - Weh not Yah - Way, but many think it is Yahuwah/Yahuah, I know it is not Yahovah/Yahowah, but honestly I don't break fellowship over pronunciation

2 Well Joel 2:32 is clear:

Joel 2:31-32,31 the sun is turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of יהוה."32 “And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of יהוה shall be delivered. For on Mount Tsiyon and in Yerushalayim there shall be an escape as יהוה has said, and among the survivors whom יהוה calls.

Since Acts is a DIRECT quote of Joel above is it talking about “the Lord” or “YHWH”?

Act 2:21 ‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of יהוה / the Lord shall be saved.”

Well is we consider this next passage it begins to shine some light:

Isaiah 4:2-3,2 In that day the Branch of יהוה shall be splendid and esteemed. And the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for the escaped ones of Yisra’ĕl. 3 And it shall be that he who is left in Tsiyon and he who remains in Yerushalayim is called set-apart, everyone who is written among the living in Yerushalayim.”

Revelation 14:1-2,, “And I looked and saw a Lamb standing on Mount Tsiyon, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s Name written upon their foreheads.”

Without commenting on each passage here it could be very possible that Yahushua is “the Name” as it mean YHWH Saves.

#H3091 יְהוֹשׁוּעַ YhowShuw`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) n/p., YhowShu`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) , 1. Yahweh-saved., 2. Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the Jewish leader., [from H3068 and H3467], KJV: Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. , Root(s): H3068, H3467, Compare: H1954, H3442

DO you suggest that YHWH and Yahushua are useless and only "Jesus" is the name by men are saved? To me that would be odd because the word "Jesus" did not even exist until another 16oo years after Peter quoted Joel...

3 I believe it is pronounceable, the “it is ineffable” thing came from rabbinical pharisees, and the root word “hayah” again, and “eyer asher eyer” is commonly translated as “I am who I am” but this is not a name nor is it even accurate to the Hebrew it is translated from, its just traditionally translated this way. A mechanical translation should be IMO “I exist that I exist” or if we are translating it for meaning and not direct language “the Self Existent One”

4 On this one you misunderstood me I did not say the apostles knew Hebrew and Greek better than anyone. I said the translators of the Septuagint knew both languages better s in the ability to translate them, some may had known either of the languages better but they knew both well, that is why they were chosen to translate.

5 Well the translators interchanged them, that does not make it right but they did and theos and kyrios are used in the “NT” to talk about the Father. Yah said this name was forever.

6 what I never said this, all the grammatical evidence and historians around Yahshua’s time say Matt wrote his Gospel in Hebrew.

7 I have seen no evidence or reason to believe Paul's’ letters were written in Hebrew and the letters of Revelation, while there is a Hebrew version, or at least a fragment that I know of, I could not make any kind of informed view, only to say Greek was the common language outside Israel, but there were Jews at the “churches” abroad, but there is not certain evidence.

8 It may had been a custom they both grew up with and been so used to it they never did anything different also we have no 1st copy originals, but the bottom line is we do know know motivation. Paul did use YHWH a single time in one of the letters to the Corinthians but ever copy of it has kyrios instead.


Jeremiah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal (Lord)."

This next reading from the Talmud is the origin of the ban on the Name of the Most High (YHWH)

Talmud - Mas. Sotah 38a


"Another [Baraitha] taught: ‘On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel’ — with the use of the Shem Hameforash.15 You say that it means with the Tetragrammaton; (YHWH) but perhaps that is not so and a substituted name was used!

 

[Shamah]

Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

THe 7th day Sabbath has not been abolished;

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

any that say it has have been fooled:

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"

the 7th day Sabbath is a set apart convocation with YHWH, an appointment with Yah, a blessing and His way, but the world likes to go their own way...

Isaiah 58:11-14, “YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it.”





OH and you have been told it's only for Jews, that is a direct lie, as Scripture says different:

Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

 

[Studyman]

Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

THe 7th day Sabbath has not been abolished;

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

any that say it has have been fooled:

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"

the 7th day Sabbath is a set apart convocation with YHWH, an appointment with Yah, a blessing and His way, but the world likes to go their own way...

Isaiah 58:11-14, “YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it.”





OH and you have been told it's only for Jews, that is a direct lie, as Scripture says different:

Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

I am happy to see you back here my brother, and I am encouraged by the Wisdom of our Lord that you share.

Blessed be the Name of the Most High.

 

[posthuman]

Here is a thought to consider, Abraham and the Hebrews were given the Gospel of Jesus Christ before teh law, so who named the two parts of the Bible the Old and the New Testament? And why, if the Gosple predates any law?

who would you think

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Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in My blood, which is shed for you. ​

(Luke 22:20)

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[Shamah]

who would you think

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Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in My blood, which is shed for you. ​

(Luke 22:20)​

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new in Greek is "neos" renewed is "kainos"

2537 [e] kainē καινὴ new Adj-NFS
1242 [e] diathēkē διαθήκη covenant N-NFS

This is the Covenant ratified in Yahushua's blood,

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."


do you agree? "Law written in heart"

 

[posthuman]

new in Greek is "neos" renewed is "kainos"

2537 [e] kainē καινὴ new Adj-NFS
1242 [e] diathēkē διαθήκη covenant N-NFS

This is the Covenant ratified in Yahushua's blood,

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

this from Jeremiah is quoted in Hebrews 8:8-9 saying "it will not be like the covenant before"
the word used in Greek for "new" here is 2537 [e] kainē καινὴ in Hebrews 8:8

do not be deceived, bro.

the God who wrote Jeremiah 31:31 used the word 2319. chadash חָדָשׁ "new" in Hebrew.
the same God wrote Hebrews 8:8 and used the word 2537 kainē καινὴ as "new" in Greek.

either you've had a sip of someone's purple kool-aid or chadash also means "renewed" not new.

 

[posthuman]

"Law written in heart"

if a law was truly written in a person's heart why would it need to have a written code added to it?
the fact that something needs to be "also taught and commanded" means it isn't already present, doesn't it?

 

[posthuman]

if a law was truly written in a person's heart why would it need to have a written code added to it?
the fact that something needs to be "also taught and commanded" means it isn't already present, doesn't it?

So I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are firmly established in the truth you now have.
(2 Peter 1:12) ​

which things?

 

[Shamah]

this from Jeremiah is quoted in Hebrews 8:8-9 saying "it will not be like the covenant before"
the word used in Greek for "new" here is 2537 [e] kainē καινὴ in Hebrews 8:8

do not be deceived, bro.

the God who wrote Jeremiah 31:31 used the word 2319. chadash חָדָשׁ "new" in Hebrew.
the same God wrote Hebrews 8:8 and used the word 2537 kainē καινὴ as "new" in Greek.

either you've had a sip of someone's purple kool-aid or chadash also means "renewed" not new.

I have studied chadash very well, why are there 3 differnt entires in Strongs?
Who drinkking the kool aid?

I have studied this for years, I know exactly where I stand concerning this matter.

The Hebrew word for “new”/”re-new” is the word “chadash.” In Strong’s Concordance this one word it has 3 entries; #H2318, #H2319, and #H2320. If you look at the light blue boxes the original Hebrew word is highlighted in yellow. It is the same ancient Hebrew word for all 3 entries, however there is a difference in the words; vowel pointing. Vowel pointing was not in the original Manuscripts, and was added to the written Hebrew language from 600CE-1,100CE. Without the added vowel points it is only one word, not 3.

"New Moon" it is the same "moon" every 30 days, but it starts it's cycle over every 30 days... Again it is not a literal new moon... People misunderstand/don't understand the foresight of Yah, that He knew all that would happen before it did, it's not like He realized one day, oh I messed up, I have to change this, no but rather the physical priesthood and animal sacrifice were a placeholder, "the weak and unprofitable" a thing for the people to "have faith/works in" before Messiah came, but it was the foresight of Messiah, a way for them to understand a need for Him while letting the people have their go at it.

Psalms 81:3, “Blow the trumpet at the new moon, At the full moon, on our feast day.”

“new” is word #HH2320 חֹדֶשׁ chodesh (cho'-desh) n-m., 1. the new moon., 2. (by implication) a month., [from H2318], KJV: month(-ly), new moon. , Root(s): H2318

so it's a brand new MOON every 20 days?

and yes it is not like the prior covenant, as we may see it as minor because we did not live under a Levitical priesthood, but to who did it is a DRASTIC change, the change is explained here:

Hebrews 7:11-12, “Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed (#G3331), there is made of necessity a change (#G3346) also of the law.”

Notice it is the same word in English “change” but in the Greek they are 2 different words?

“For the priesthood being changed (#G3331), there is made of necessity a change (#G3346) also of the law.”

If we only look at the English it is easy to misunderstand what the writer of Hebrews is seeking to tell us. Lets take a deeper look at the difference between these words:

“For the priesthood being changed (#G3331)”

“changed” is word #G3331 μετάθεσις metathesis (me-ta'-the-sis) n., transposition, i.e. transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law). [from G3346], KJV: change, removing, translation, Root(s): G3346

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
#G3331 μετάθεσις metathesis; 1) transfer: from one place to another 2) to change 2a) of things instituted or established

As in the priesthood on earth, the Levite priesthood has been abolished, and the Priesthood in the heavens, carried out by Yahshua is established. This “change” or “metathesis” is a removal of one that is replaced by another.

“there is made of necessity a change (#G3346) also of the law.”

Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
From G3346; transposition, that is, transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law):—change, removing, translation.

“change” is word #G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi (me-ta-tiy'-thee-miy) v., 1. to transfer., 2. (literally) to transport., 3. (by implication) to exchange., 4. (reflexively) to change sides. [from G3326 and G5087], KJV: carry over, change, remove, translate, turn, Root(s): G3326, G5087

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
#G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi; 1) to transpose (two things, one of which is put in place of the other) 1a) to transfer 1b) to change 1c) to transfer one's self or suffer one's self to be transferred 1c1) to go or pass over 1c2) to fall away or desert from one person or thing to another

Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
#G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi; From G3326 and G5087; to transfer, that is, (literally) transport, (by implication) exchange, (reflexively) change sides, or (figuratively) pervert:—carry over, change, remove, translate, turn.

As in the Law has been transferred, not mediated by Levites but mediated by Yahshua the High Priest. This “change” or “metatithemi” is a transferral.

 

[Shamah]

if a law was truly written in a person's heart why would it need to have a written code added to it?
the fact that something needs to be "also taught and commanded" means it isn't already present, doesn't it?

If the Holy SPirit is to remind us of the MEssiah words why do we need the Gospels?

John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."

because the WORD is how we test the Spirits to make sure they are of Yah.

 

[posthuman]

I have studied chadash very well, why are there 3 differnt entires in Strongs?
Who drinkking the kool aid?

I have studied this for years, I know exactly where I stand concerning this matter.

The Hebrew word for “new”/”re-new” is the word “chadash.” In Strong’s Concordance this one word it has 3 entries; #H2318, #H2319, and #H2320. If you look at the light blue boxes the original Hebrew word is highlighted in yellow. It is the same ancient Hebrew word for all 3 entries, however there is a difference in the words; vowel pointing. Vowel pointing was not in the original Manuscripts, and was added to the written Hebrew language from 600CE-1,100CE. Without the added vowel points it is only one word, not 3.

"New Moon" it is the same "moon" every 30 days, but it starts it's cycle over every 30 days... Again it is not a literal new moon... People misunderstand/don't understand the foresight of Yah, that He knew all that would happen before it did, it's not like He realized one day, oh I messed up, I have to change this, no but rather the physical priesthood and animal sacrifice were a placeholder, "the weak and unprofitable" a thing for the people to "have faith/works in" before Messiah came, but it was the foresight of Messiah, a way for them to understand a need for Him while letting the people have their go at it.

Psalms 81:3, “Blow the trumpet at the new moon, At the full moon, on our feast day.”

“new” is word #HH2320 חֹדֶשׁ chodesh (cho'-desh) n-m., 1. the new moon., 2. (by implication) a month., [from H2318], KJV: month(-ly), new moon. , Root(s): H2318

so it's a brand new MOON every 20 days?

and yes it is not like the prior covenant, as we may see it as minor because we did not live under a Levitical priesthood, but to who did it is a DRASTIC change, the change is explained here:

Hebrews 7:11-12, “Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed (#G3331), there is made of necessity a change (#G3346) also of the law.”

Notice it is the same word in English “change” but in the Greek they are 2 different words?

“For the priesthood being changed (#G3331), there is made of necessity a change (#G3346) also of the law.”

If we only look at the English it is easy to misunderstand what the writer of Hebrews is seeking to tell us. Lets take a deeper look at the difference between these words:

“For the priesthood being changed (#G3331)”

“changed” is word #G3331 μετάθεσις metathesis (me-ta'-the-sis) n., transposition, i.e. transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law). [from G3346], KJV: change, removing, translation, Root(s): G3346

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
#G3331 μετάθεσις metathesis; 1) transfer: from one place to another 2) to change 2a) of things instituted or established

As in the priesthood on earth, the Levite priesthood has been abolished, and the Priesthood in the heavens, carried out by Yahshua is established. This “change” or “metathesis” is a removal of one that is replaced by another.

“there is made of necessity a change (#G3346) also of the law.”

Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
From G3346; transposition, that is, transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law):—change, removing, translation.

“change” is word #G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi (me-ta-tiy'-thee-miy) v., 1. to transfer., 2. (literally) to transport., 3. (by implication) to exchange., 4. (reflexively) to change sides. [from G3326 and G5087], KJV: carry over, change, remove, translate, turn, Root(s): G3326, G5087

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
#G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi; 1) to transpose (two things, one of which is put in place of the other) 1a) to transfer 1b) to change 1c) to transfer one's self or suffer one's self to be transferred 1c1) to go or pass over 1c2) to fall away or desert from one person or thing to another

Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
#G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi; From G3326 and G5087; to transfer, that is, (literally) transport, (by implication) exchange, (reflexively) change sides, or (figuratively) pervert:—carry over, change, remove, translate, turn.

As in the Law has been transferred, not mediated by Levites but mediated by Yahshua the High Priest. This “change” or “metatithemi” is a transferral.

how do you make something obsolete by renewing it

 

[posthuman]

how do you make something obsolete by renewing it

how do you make something not like itself by renewing it

 

[posthuman]

Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: “The person who does these things will live by them.” But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’”
(Romans 10:5-6)​

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why does the Holy Spirit contrast these two things as different if they are the same thing?

 

[Shamah]

how do you make something obsolete by renewing it

the levitical priesthood is not more... are you isolatingwhat is obselevete? Here explain this to me:

Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”

how does the Covenant "Stand fast" (with Yahshua) if it is abolished? Yes by our view it is radically different, however when He says "will not break" etc... that means nothing right because kainos? when kainos is not brand new, NEOS is brand new... Chadash has 3 strongs entries due to vowel points added 1,500 years later... Tell me how a new moon cycle is a chadash as in NEW MOON? and not a renewed moon? cadash...

Look I could post a 30 page study on this but none would read it, does not meanI am right but I have studied this for mare than 9 yearsm just this specific topic. and my main support is not concordance and lexicon BUT the twords of Yah like those in PS 89.... cadash...

 

[Shamah]

Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: “The person who does these things will live by them.” But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’”​

(Romans 10:5-6)​

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why does the Holy Spirit contrast these two things as different if they are the same thing?

You will have to explain what you mean here Im not getting what you are implying

 

[Shamah]

If you want I can send you a complete, well not my whole study but the complete parts to illustrate my view., actually it may be alread y posted here...

 

[lightbearer]

Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

THe 7th day Sabbath has not been abolished;

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Good post!
It is the ministration that has changed. It is still a matter of obedience but now it stems from Faith. No longer is the ministration that of ink and tables of stone but of the fleshly tables of the heart.
So Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the Word; GOD'S Law) down from above) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the Word; GOD'S Law) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; the New Covenant through which the Law is written in our hearts and in our minds) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; For Christ (the Word in our hearts and in our minds is the end of the Law (written with ink and on Tables of Stone) for righteousness to all that belief. For this Faith establishes the Law.
(Rom 10:6-8 KJV)