WOAH, just saw this while driving over here
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maybe in your Bible.. i am well aware that most English translations have this wrong. go look up the tense of the words in Greek: that's why i'm telling you now.
Matthew 18:18-19
`Verily I say to you, Whatever things ye may bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever things ye may loose on the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens. `Again, I say to you, that, if two of you may agree on the earth concerning anything, whatever they may ask--it shall be done to them from my Father who is in the heavens
that's Youngs Literal translation above. often not very readable, but much closer to what the manuscripts actually say in many places. have a look for yourself, and think for yourself what God is doing when He says this. is He making Peter a god? or is He making them as His mouth - as you yourself said earlier?
Matthew 18:18-19
`Verily I say to you, Whatever things ye may bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever things ye may loose on the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens. `Again, I say to you, that, if two of you may agree on the earth concerning anything, whatever they may ask--it shall be done to them from my Father who is in the heavens
that's Youngs Literal translation above. often not very readable, but much closer to what the manuscripts actually say in many places. have a look for yourself, and think for yourself what God is doing when He says this. is He making Peter a god? or is He making them as His mouth - as you yourself said earlier?
Paul wrote of the victory obtained in his epistles.
Impossible to miss.
The believer can wallow in toddlerhood or move on to maturity.
So many of the members here think they can not pray,worship,study,and spend time with Jesus and walk in the same level of victory as those who fast,pray,and spend time with Jesus?
I am finding this misunderstanding of the believers walk unbelievable.
You guys serious?
Impossible to miss.
The believer can wallow in toddlerhood or move on to maturity.
So many of the members here think they can not pray,worship,study,and spend time with Jesus and walk in the same level of victory as those who fast,pray,and spend time with Jesus?
I am finding this misunderstanding of the believers walk unbelievable.
You guys serious?
That was a fairly long post. Allow me to address your points individually. Let it be known that I respect your opinion (although I might not agree with you).
My main point is this: that new wisdom (let's use the term) from God is always vindicated by scripture. Hence I was saying earlier that if you feel you have a word from God, make sure it is also supported by the revelation of God we already have, i.e. His Holy Word.
I should also add that personal revelation differs greatly from person to person. I believe that God deals with people in specific ways. We may not all share the same interpretation of the same piece of text. However, there is the common belief system that exists amongst believers which God has gifted to men and women down the centuries and that we know to be true because He also speaks it into our own hearts.
I'm slightly cynical regarding a lot of so-called "new interpretations" of scripture because a lot of it unfortunately doesn't line up with God's word. And a lot of these new divine revelations are supported by scripture that's taken out of the context it was originally intended for.
Not that I wish to pour cold water on your own personal interpretations of scripture. As long as they line up with what scripture says, its fine. But I am not a fan of approaching scripture with a set way of thinking, I prefer to allow scripture to guide my interpretations, if you follow me?
As far as your experience with your friend, that's great. That's the Holy Spirit in operation. Guess what? The Holy Spirit, the Word and God Himself all agree and when they are in harmony, we know we have divine revelation. When your interpretation of scripture doesn't line up with God's word, there's a problem.
Finally, I would just say that there is a beautiful simplicity to the scriptures as a whole. They need no forced interpretations and no further "additions" are required to make them more complete.
My main point is this: that new wisdom (let's use the term) from God is always vindicated by scripture. Hence I was saying earlier that if you feel you have a word from God, make sure it is also supported by the revelation of God we already have, i.e. His Holy Word.
I should also add that personal revelation differs greatly from person to person. I believe that God deals with people in specific ways. We may not all share the same interpretation of the same piece of text. However, there is the common belief system that exists amongst believers which God has gifted to men and women down the centuries and that we know to be true because He also speaks it into our own hearts.
I'm slightly cynical regarding a lot of so-called "new interpretations" of scripture because a lot of it unfortunately doesn't line up with God's word. And a lot of these new divine revelations are supported by scripture that's taken out of the context it was originally intended for.
Not that I wish to pour cold water on your own personal interpretations of scripture. As long as they line up with what scripture says, its fine. But I am not a fan of approaching scripture with a set way of thinking, I prefer to allow scripture to guide my interpretations, if you follow me?
As far as your experience with your friend, that's great. That's the Holy Spirit in operation. Guess what? The Holy Spirit, the Word and God Himself all agree and when they are in harmony, we know we have divine revelation. When your interpretation of scripture doesn't line up with God's word, there's a problem.
Finally, I would just say that there is a beautiful simplicity to the scriptures as a whole. They need no forced interpretations and no further "additions" are required to make them more complete.
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yuh know, if you keep up scolding people you do not actually know, having been here such a short time, I will think that you are here to each the rest of us 'toddlers'
you have no idea what people here think or believe and actually, I am myself being cautious in how I respond to you because I see that you get dramatic paq...pretty awful quick
you joined when? less than a month ago?
and yet you know what 'so many members think?'
either that is youth speaking without thinking, pride or young in the faith
but doesn't matter...it's a bad attitude and you are basically going to alienate people
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no one said that dude
kinda weird you think someone did
for that matter, NO ONE said anything of what you seem to think they said
be happy.....seems trying to discuss with you is being told we are toddlers and have no faith...so I'll just 'toddle' on and leave you to it
I have faith people will avoid you ... mind you, there is a subset here who will agree with everything you say and in fact encourage you to be even more 'extra spiritual'
if you are still reading here and haven't given up in disgust, I'd like to point out that your display indicates you need some grounding in the word
we have no authority apart from Christ and we are not going to take over the world because NAR says we will and we are not going to bring Jesus back
only the FATHER knows the hour...not some self appointed apostle who thinks the Bible is past its' best before date
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you are parroting
who do you follow?
we've heard everything you say multiple times
again, in my case I am not a cessationist..I am sure you must know what that means since you are obviously not either
but I won't bore you with the failures of charasmatics, pentecostals, new apostolic revelation folks or word of faith adherents who are always telling us what future event is going to unfold and have no apology or are even slightly embarrassed when it does not happen
I've seen them all in my travels...thankfully I have also seen what is real
who do you follow?
we've heard everything you say multiple times
again, in my case I am not a cessationist..I am sure you must know what that means since you are obviously not either
but I won't bore you with the failures of charasmatics, pentecostals, new apostolic revelation folks or word of faith adherents who are always telling us what future event is going to unfold and have no apology or are even slightly embarrassed when it does not happen
I've seen them all in my travels...thankfully I have also seen what is real
no one said that dude
kinda weird you think someone did
for that matter, NO ONE said anything of what you seem to think they said
be happy.....seems trying to discuss with you is being told we are toddlers and have no faith...so I'll just 'toddle' on and leave you to it
I have faith people will avoid you ... mind you, there is a subset here who will agree with everything you say and in fact encourage you to be even more 'extra spiritual'
if you are still reading here and haven't given up in disgust, I'd like to point out that your display indicates you need some grounding in the word
we have no authority apart from Christ and we are not going to take over the world because NAR says we will and we are not going to bring Jesus back
only the FATHER knows the hour...not some self appointed apostle who thinks the Bible is past its' best before date
kinda weird you think someone did
for that matter, NO ONE said anything of what you seem to think they said
be happy.....seems trying to discuss with you is being told we are toddlers and have no faith...so I'll just 'toddle' on and leave you to it
I have faith people will avoid you ... mind you, there is a subset here who will agree with everything you say and in fact encourage you to be even more 'extra spiritual'
if you are still reading here and haven't given up in disgust, I'd like to point out that your display indicates you need some grounding in the word
we have no authority apart from Christ and we are not going to take over the world because NAR says we will and we are not going to bring Jesus back
only the FATHER knows the hour...not some self appointed apostle who thinks the Bible is past its' best before date
I get it al right sis.
I pushed you button big time.
Try chilling out with Jesus.
All that hate will melt away