God called me a goat

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The OP came here to ask que from his heart and i don't think it's nice for us to argue here.. Take your arguments somewhere else and i understand what Brad and firstlovedbyhim are saying.. And i agree with that. If we do not have anything more of encouragement and help then i suggest we take our arguments into a private place. :)
 
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Jewel5712 said:
So does Satan . NOT saying tgats what happened to you..but decernment is crucial :)
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Agree! Discernment is crucial. That is why more information must be given. Discernment of spirits is a gift of Christrians. This can become a long drawn out debate and discussion that can lead to people becoming argumentative or can be easily settled by honest , open communication on the part of Devin D. There may be more for us to learn with this discussion than putting all things down as superstitious nonsense. The complexity of God and all life demands a rational and faithful approach to all issues. I pray Devin reveal , what caused tremendous sadness. God Bless!
 
blue_ladybug

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Jewel5712 said:
So does Satan . NOT saying tgats what happened to you..but decernment is crucial :)
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True, but why he would want to comfort us, is beyond my understanding. He's not God, he can't perform miracles.. And he isn't psychic, he cannot read our minds.
 
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Remove the uncertainty from your heart. Study Gods word and allow Gods Holy Spirit to witness with your spirit that you are God's.

Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

God does not speak by visions or dreams. God speaks through His word.

I do not know the specifics of how you came to know Christ but you must develop a foundation on Gods word to provide you a stable walk with the Lord.

Find a good church and live in the word of God. Doubts will soon fade away and be replaced with full assurance.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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FirstLovedByHim said:
I understand what you are saying, but not all outward signs are of the devil. Superstitiousness would imply that this person believes in things that are pagan related. That would then imply that God has never used His creation to give man an answer. If one were to believe that- then a great portion of the bible would have to be omitted from teaching. The truth of the matter is, none of us knows what upset this seeking soul. Once we know this, then I believe we can know the motive of the heart and if the answer is of God or the devil. You may want to rest on the quote by Christ: " An evil and adulterous generation seeks a sign, and all they will receive is the sign of Jonah"...
But Christ was speaking of an evil adulterous people in that reply, who seek signs and proof from God to believe.He was not addressing people of faith. Again, the scriptures are full of God giving outward signs , meaning- using His creation to give answer. I believe that is all Brad 47 means , I do not think he is negating the Word. God Bless!
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It has been my experience when God gives someone a sign/vision/dream it is for the purpose of edification. The only times God convicted me of something I was doing wrong, it was always from another human. It may have been a drunk in the gutter or some other unobvious messenger. I always feel it when God speaks to me. Even when the message convicts me, it never comes in an accusatory manner. It is more like a soft suggestion there may be a better way.

Satan on the other hand, always accuses. Whether in dreams/vision/signs/messengers his manner gives him away. Therefore, if you get a sign and it upsets you and seems harsh it must be from your enemy. The way of love is never harsh and it is always encouraging. :cool:
 
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blue_ladybug said:
True, but why he would want to comfort us, is beyond my understanding. He's not God, he can't perform miracles.. And he isn't psychic, he cannot read our minds.
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With all due respect, satan can read the mind of the unstable , those not solid in those matters of God and can perform lying signs and wonders. Scripture is pretty clear on that. What is also true , he can try and pursuade a believer he is "God" giving answer. He does after all appear as an angel of light. That is why I say again, judgement must be reserved until the facts are known concerning motive.

So , now lets probe since Devin is not saying. Hypothetically speaking- let's say Devin is upset about something someone or others have done against his faith, would God reveal him as a goat or would God be saying someone /they- are the goat or goats? Now, if Devin has been acting contrary to Christian living would God be saying he is a goat? More complicated yet, if Devin is a backslider like what happens to many Christians over time, would God who knows his end -calls him a goat? He then is not predestined and elected as saved and will NOT continue to run his race and win? Lastly, if God said he is a goat, then he is lost forever, and can not be saved for we know in scripture sheep and goats are very different. Is God saying give up don't bother, once a goat always a goat-predestined to fail and never purposed for glory? God would never call a fallen believer a goat if He knows they are going to get back up and run their race and win. A goat is a completely lost soul like a weed.

A stumbling Christian is like St.Paul, and even Peter or doubting Thomas never a goat or weed simply weak and incomplete. But fashioned from the foundation of the world to be purposed for and in Christ and made complete.

Again, the context of the sorrow can only be revealed by Devin.
 
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Deade said:
It has been my experience when God gives someone a sign/vision/dream it is for the purpose of edification. The only times God convicted me of something I was doing wrong, it was always from another human. It may have been a drunk in the gutter or some other unobvious messenger. I always feel it when God speaks to me. Even when the message convicts me, it never comes in an accusatory manner. It is more like a soft suggestion there may be a better way.

Satan on the other hand, always accuses. Whether in dreams/vision/signs/messengers his manner gives him away. Therefore, if you get a sign and it upsets you and seems harsh it must be from your enemy. The way of love is never harsh and it is always encouraging. :cool:
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I can not deny what you say, he always accuses. But did God call Devin a goat or satan? Devin was upset before this "sign" occurred . Was Devin misreading the sign ( was it answer about him or others) or was Devin behaving badly ? To me if you do nothing wrong why would you believe any accusation? I agree with what you say. I still feel the core issue is- was Devin repenting or was Devin persecuted and in confusion? For me that is the bigger issue, not the sign. Great reasoning in your response , I love hearing how other Christians perceive issues. Still yet though- there is no doubt God has and does use His Creation to give answer and / or signs.

Also, I know that sometimes in forums , setup scenarios are deployed to bring people to a particular denominational belief. Insincere scenario's also can negate crucial truths about God and leave wholes concerning God's word. What I get from this case and some of the answers given- that all outward sign's believed are all superstitious and none should be believed. Whatever the case, some great dialogue and opinions given. God Bless!
 
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DevinD said:
I was driving home today and I asked God to speak to me. I was listening to MercyMe and crying my eyes out. Then I looked up at the sun and saw a cloud. I couldn’t tell if it was a sheep or goat, but it resembled more of a goat. I researched this and saw what goat means in the Bible. I’m so upset. What am I doing wrong? How can I show God that I do love him and that I want to live my life for him?
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I was driving yesterday morning in the drizzle and I saw a rainbow. Why do you believe that you are doing something wrong because you thought that the cloud looked like a goat? Too bad it didn't look like a heart. God knows what is in your heart and I am sure that He is aware that you love Him and want to live your life for Him. Sometimes I hear thunder and see lightning in the sky but I don't take that as a sign that God is angry at me. Thunder and lightning is God's fireworks in the sky.
 
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trofimus said:
If you want a sign from God, make the test conditions to be against all odds. Like flipping a coin 20 times.

Not some wild imagination in nature that happen all the time.
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Like I said before, flipping a coin twenty times will NOT result in it landing on the same side every time. So that "test condition" is invalid.
 
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DevinD said:
I was driving home today and I asked God to speak to me.
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If Jesus came not to call the the righteous but sinners to repentance then have you considered John 9:31, just suggesting...
 
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blue_ladybug said:
Like I said before, flipping a coin twenty times will NOT result in it landing on the same side every time. So that "test condition" is invalid.
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Yes it can, I have flipped a coin and it landed on one side 20 times in a roll, it really easy to do if you know how.
 
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Zmouth said:
Yes it can, I have flipped a coin and it landed on one side 20 times in a roll, it really easy to do if you know how.
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What's there to know in how to flip a coin to make it land on the same side 20 times in a roll? It must be in the wrists. I believe the object of the exercise is to see if this was a sign from God, a sign that is manipulated by the person searching a sign is invalid as it is a result of cheating, or skill or manipulation. Certainly not sign from God.
 
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DevinD said:
I was driving home today and I asked God to speak to me. I was listening to MercyMe and crying my eyes out. Then I looked up at the sun and saw a cloud. I couldn’t tell if it was a sheep or goat, but it resembled more of a goat. I researched this and saw what goat means in the Bible. I’m so upset. What am I doing wrong? How can I show God that I do love him and that I want to live my life for him?
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Ummm....God did not call you a goat by some perceived image that you saw in the clouds.........spend more time studying the word and less time spiritualizing everything.....
 
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tourist said:
What's there to know in how to flip a coin to make it land on the same side 20 times in a roll? It must be in the wrists. I believe the object of the exercise is to see if this was a sign from God, a sign that is manipulated by the person searching a sign is invalid as it is a result of cheating, or skill or manipulation. Certainly not sign from God.
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Do you read your Bible like you read my post, a coin will always land on one side, it can't land on both side at the same time.
 
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DevinD said:
I was driving home today and I asked God to speak to me. I was listening to MercyMe and crying my eyes out. Then I looked up at the sun and saw a cloud. I couldn’t tell if it was a sheep or goat, but it resembled more of a goat. I researched this and saw what goat means in the Bible. I’m so upset. What am I doing wrong? How can I show God that I do love him and that I want to live my life for him?
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At the root of this is why are you crying your eyes out?
What did you WANT to hear from Him?
Is there a particular sin you are struggling with and hoped to see some sign that God has forgiven you?

If so, He gave that sign!!! It's the sign of the resurrection of His Beloved Son.
 
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Zmouth said:
Do you read your Bible like you read my post, a coin will always land on one side.
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OK, you win this round. Admittedly clever, but not particularly amusing. I flipped a coin once and it landed on the edge and not on one side or the other, so while your observation has merit it is not totally valid.
 
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PennEd said:
At the root of this is why are you crying your eyes out?
What did you WANT to hear from Him?
Is there a particular sin you are struggling with and hoped to see some sign that God has forgiven you?

If so, He gave that sign!!! It's the sign of the resurrection of His Beloved Son.
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Not to mention an EVIL and ADULTEROUS generation SEEKS after a sign.......
 
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tourist said:
OK, you win this round. Admittedly clever, but not particularly amusing. I flipped a coin once and it landed on the edge and not on one side or the other, so while your observation has merit it is not totally valid.
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I believe they call the outer edge the 'the out side' :cool:

Kinda like what ever goes around your house would go on the outside.
 
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