Will The Holy Spirit Remain After The Rapture?
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That's not what those scriptures mean. This what will happen after the Great tribulation, 1 Thes:4: 16-17
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
The whole title to this thread is complete nonsense. Why? Matt put it nicely very early. He said:
When Christ comes back next, He will stay and take over the world system. Nobody is in heaven and nobody is going to heaven.
1 Thess. 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"
Acts 1:11 "Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."
When Christ comes back next, He will stay and take over the world system. Nobody is in heaven and nobody is going to heaven.
1 Thess. 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"
Acts 1:11 "Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."
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The Holy Spirit was sent to us to teach and guide us in our walk with Christ. He is the one that restrains.
Paul says he is taken away. No need for him here as we are taken also.
Paul also said we are not subject to wrath so why would God leave his children to suffer???
IMO those that are killed because they would not bow enter into the millennium by there own blood which is why perhaps Satan returns to tempt men away again.
It may be a weak attempt to explain the martyrs but perhaps there is someone who can give a more detailed answer.
Paul says he is taken away. No need for him here as we are taken also.
Paul also said we are not subject to wrath so why would God leave his children to suffer???
IMO those that are killed because they would not bow enter into the millennium by there own blood which is why perhaps Satan returns to tempt men away again.
It may be a weak attempt to explain the martyrs but perhaps there is someone who can give a more detailed answer.
It would seem the old heavens and earth will go up in smoke as annihilated. The Holy Spirit will not be annihilated along with the corrupted earth . It a pagan idea to think creation is not separate from its Creator .We do not know Christ after the rudiments of this world. He cannot be found under a microscope .
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John3:8
Many beleive that after we die we will be judged individually and then according to the outcome of a trial the sentence will be carried out . But the dead know nothing they have no spirit that can raised to be judged. There temporal spirit return to the father and their bodies return to the dust The final judgment is the execution not a trial . He who believes not is already been judged .
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John3:8
Many beleive that after we die we will be judged individually and then according to the outcome of a trial the sentence will be carried out . But the dead know nothing they have no spirit that can raised to be judged. There temporal spirit return to the father and their bodies return to the dust The final judgment is the execution not a trial . He who believes not is already been judged .
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There will be no rapture, the only other way is to die. This is after the great tribulation. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 16For the LORD himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the LORD in the air. And so we will be with the LORD forever.
The idea I don't like is the notion held by many that where Paul states in Romans that all Israel will be saved he means that salvation
of the Jews does not depend on belief in Christ as Lord and Messiah but on ethnic origin alone. The Bible teaches that the true Israel
includes everyone who believes whether they are Jewish or not. Gods plan set out in the Bible is for a redeemed and restored Universe
In order for a Jewish remnant to be saved the Holy Spirit needs to be present as he was on the day of Pentecost and has been ever since.
of the Jews does not depend on belief in Christ as Lord and Messiah but on ethnic origin alone. The Bible teaches that the true Israel
includes everyone who believes whether they are Jewish or not. Gods plan set out in the Bible is for a redeemed and restored Universe
In order for a Jewish remnant to be saved the Holy Spirit needs to be present as he was on the day of Pentecost and has been ever since.
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The antichrists (many) are those who rejected Christ coming in the flesh for a one time outward demonstration. The veil is rent signaling the beginning of the last days, as the last time.
In verses 26 and 27 we are warned of the wiles of the devil the spirit (singular) of the antichrists (many) .In so much they we do not need a man seen to teach us rather than the unsen Holy Spirit that abides in the believer.
We walk by faith, the unseen eternal and not by sight, the temporal as that seen. We simply do not wrestle against flesh and blood as the things seen
The unbelieving Jew needs to hear and believe the gospel .Have the faith that comes from hearing God not seen They have set up a wailing wall as that seen against, as it is written
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.1 John 2:18-25
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 John 2:18-25
In verses 26 and 27 we are warned of the wiles of the devil the spirit (singular) of the antichrists (many) .In so much they we do not need a man seen to teach us rather than the unsen Holy Spirit that abides in the believer.
We walk by faith, the unseen eternal and not by sight, the temporal as that seen. We simply do not wrestle against flesh and blood as the things seen
The unbelieving Jew needs to hear and believe the gospel .Have the faith that comes from hearing God not seen They have set up a wailing wall as that seen against, as it is written
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.1 John 2:18-25
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 John 2:18-25
Paul doesn't state who the restrainer is. In 2 Thessalonians 2 he assures the church that the day of the Lord has not come because
false teachers are spreading lies about his second coming, (they still are), He goes on to say this
Let no one deceive you in any way for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first
and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition who opposes and exalts himself
against every so called god or object of worship so he takes his seat in the temple of God proclaiming
himself to be God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you. And you know what
is restraining him now so that he will be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already
at work, only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. And then the lawless one
will be revealed and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by his
appearing and his coming.
2 Thessalonians 2: 3-8
In this passage Paul doesn't state who the restrainer is. It is assumed to be the Holy Spirit but could really
be the Archangel Michael who according to Jewish belief is the protector of Israel. Its Michael who is sent to Daniel
and who casts Satan and his host out of Heaven.
Gods wrath is poured out on the earth at Christ second coming when the saints are raptured and the Antichrist
is destroyed with the breath of his mouth. The righteous dead are resurrected and those alive will go with them
to meet the Lord in the air as he descends to the mount of olives.
false teachers are spreading lies about his second coming, (they still are), He goes on to say this
Let no one deceive you in any way for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first
and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition who opposes and exalts himself
against every so called god or object of worship so he takes his seat in the temple of God proclaiming
himself to be God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you. And you know what
is restraining him now so that he will be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already
at work, only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. And then the lawless one
will be revealed and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by his
appearing and his coming.
2 Thessalonians 2: 3-8
In this passage Paul doesn't state who the restrainer is. It is assumed to be the Holy Spirit but could really
be the Archangel Michael who according to Jewish belief is the protector of Israel. Its Michael who is sent to Daniel
and who casts Satan and his host out of Heaven.
Gods wrath is poured out on the earth at Christ second coming when the saints are raptured and the Antichrist
is destroyed with the breath of his mouth. The righteous dead are resurrected and those alive will go with them
to meet the Lord in the air as he descends to the mount of olives.