How long until the End?

[DudleyDorite]

Dan. 8:20-22,

The ram is clearly one kingdom symbolized as one ram with 2 horns. (Other examples of the horns being part of one nation would be Dan. 7 and Rev chs 12, 13, 17.)

The horns are 2 different powers in one kingdom. (2 arms in the statue of Daniel 2.)

The Greek goat defeats the Ram.

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So, who do you think the iron nation is?

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So the smaller horn that rises FIRST and the higher horn that rose last is meaningless to you in your interpretation.

The fact that the word inferior is the word land and coupled with the word below implying less land is meaningless.

The fact that the only empire inferior to Babylon was the Medes because after the two empires became the ram that empire was 3-4 times the size of Babylon.

And it's meaningless to you that Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Daniel ascribe the taking of Babylon to the Medes..

It's easier to take a sliver out of the back side of a wildcat than it is to change the mind of a Christian. After all, if they were to change their mind, that would mean they're admitting fault, and the words, "I made a mistake" is seldom found in a Christian's vocabulary.

 

[pjharrison]

Considering all that is happening around the world, and considering all your study and research and what the Lord revealed to you, shown you, or caused you to understand... How long do you think we have until the end of all things or the end of the world as we know it? Let me point to the fact that I'm not asking you for a date and also perhaps take this opportunity to point out that a date has 4 components: a specific hour, in a specific day, in a specific month, in a specific year. In other words, how many more years do you think we have left until the Lord's return?

Now you know no one can give you a specific date and hour. But I tell you when you see aliens as they will be called, but they are really demons. The time will be three years and a half later.

 

[abcdef]

So the smaller horn that rises FIRST and the higher horn that rose last is meaningless to you in your interpretation.

It's not meaningless, as you point out. But they are still counted as one ram nation with 2 horns Dan 8. One silver nation with 2 arms Dan. 2.

Dan. 8, The goat, Greece, has one horn, that is divided into 4. But it is still the goat nation, even though it is divided into 4.

The fact that the word inferior is the word land and coupled with the word below implying less land is meaningless.

The fact that the only empire inferior to Babylon was the Medes because after the two empires became the ram that empire was 3-4 times the size of Babylon.

The symbolism of the kingdoms is related to Israel and Jerusalem. Not necessarily the land mass over the gentile nations.

And it's meaningless to you that Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Daniel ascribe the taking of Babylon to the Medes..

It's not meaningless. The symbolism must fit with all other texts.

It's easier to take a sliver out of the back side of a wildcat than it is to change the mind of a Christian. After all, if they were to change their mind, that would mean they're admitting fault, and the words, "I made a mistake" is seldom found in a Christian's vocabulary.

Are you attacking all Christians, or just me because we disagree? Why?

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So then, do you say that the iron is Greece?

Where is the Roman Empire shown in the statue of Dan. 2?

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[DudleyDorite]

It's not meaningless, as you point out. But they are still counted as one ram nation with 2 horns Dan 8. One silver nation with 2 arms Dan. 2.

Dan. 8, The goat, Greece, has one horn, that is divided into 4. But it is still the goat nation, even though it is divided into 4.




The symbolism of the kingdoms is related to Israel and Jerusalem. Not necessarily the land mass over the gentile nations.




It's not meaningless. The symbolism must fit with all other texts.




Are you attacking all Christians, or just me because we disagree? Why?

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So then, do you say that the iron is Greece?

Where is the Roman Empire shown in the statue of Dan. 2?

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So you don't see the flow of the Ram, how a smaller horn came up first, and how a taller one came up afterwards. The Medes and Persians were not one kingdom until 6 years after Darius took it. Do you deny what Daniel is saying? Or do you just don't want to admit you're wrong.
Daniel 5:31
"And Darius the Median took the kingdom, (Babylon) being about threescore and two years old."

Isaiah says God will stir up the Medes against Babylon. Why do you tell me it's the Persians? The Medes and Persians were not united into one kingdom until 6 years AFTER Darius and his hordes took it. Why deny the written Word?

Isaiah 13:17
"Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, ie. (Babylon)

Jeremiah says God would raise up the spirit of the Medes against Babylon. Why do you deny that? You haven't given me one shred of evidence to support Cyrus and the Persians as the ones who took Babylon.

Jeremiah 51:11 Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the LORD hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance
of his temple.

Daniel 6: 28 clearly states Darius reigned BEFORE Darius. What problem do you have accepting that?

Daniel 6:28 So this Daniel prospered in the reign of Darius, AND in the reign of Cyrus the Persian.

This verse clearly mentions Darius' first year in power over Babylon. Why do you deny that?
Daniel 11:1 Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him.

This verse says Darius set 120 princes over the kingdom of Babylon. Why do you deny that?
Daniel 6:1 It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

This verse is Darius' last year in power over the entire kingdom before he reigned over the Northern province of the kingdom. Why deny it?
Ezra 6:15 And this house was finished on the third day of the month Adar, which was in the sixth year of the reign of Darius the king.

I believe Gods Word when it says "inferior land." I believe God's Word when it says Darius took Babylon.

I believe God's Word when it says Daniel prospered in the reign of Darius, AND in the reign of Cyrus the Persian. Clearly indicating Darius reigned first.

It's disappointing, and it's common practice for the typical Christian to deny God's Word when it clearly refutes them because they cannot admit they are in error.

"The greatest impediment Christians have obtaining truth is when they think they already have it."

Are you attacking all Christians, or just me because we disagree? Why?

I'm not on the attack. I'm just showing people how difficult it is to change the mind of a misled Christian in denial!

 

[abcdef]

So you don't see the flow of the Ram, how a smaller horn came up first, and how a taller one came up afterwards. The Medes and Persians were not one kingdom until 6 years after Darius took it. Do you deny what Daniel is saying? Or do you just don't want to admit you're wrong.
Daniel 5:31
"And Darius the Median took the kingdom, (Babylon) being about threescore and two years old."

Isaiah says God will stir up the Medes against Babylon. Why do you tell me it's the Persians? The Medes and Persians were not united into one kingdom until 6 years AFTER Darius and his hordes took it. Why deny the written Word?

Isaiah 13:17
"Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, ie. (Babylon)

Jeremiah says God would raise up the spirit of the Medes against Babylon. Why do you deny that? You haven't given me one shred of evidence to support Cyrus and the Persians as the ones who took Babylon.

Jeremiah 51:11 Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the LORD hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance
of his temple.

Daniel 6: 28 clearly states Darius reigned BEFORE Darius. What problem do you have accepting that?

Daniel 6:28 So this Daniel prospered in the reign of Darius, AND in the reign of Cyrus the Persian.

This verse clearly mentions Darius' first year in power over Babylon. Why do you deny that?
Daniel 11:1 Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him.

This verse says Darius set 120 princes over the kingdom of Babylon. Why do you deny that?
Daniel 6:1 It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

This verse is Darius' last year in power over the entire kingdom before he reigned over the Northern province of the kingdom. Why deny it?
Ezra 6:15 And this house was finished on the third day of the month Adar, which was in the sixth year of the reign of Darius the king.

I believe Gods Word when it says "inferior land." I believe God's Word when it says Darius took Babylon.

I believe God's Word when it says Daniel prospered in the reign of Darius, AND in the reign of Cyrus the Persian. Clearly indicating Darius reigned first.

It's disappointing, and it's common practice for the typical Christian to deny God's Word when it clearly refutes them because they cannot admit they are in error.

"The greatest impediment Christians have obtaining truth is when they think they already have it."


I'm not on the attack. I'm just showing people how difficult it is to change the mind of a misled Christian in denial!

Again, Who is the iron, Greece? I have to assume, since you are not explaining it.


The passage in Dan. 8 shows that the Greek Empire is divided into 4 parts.

The iron of the statue in Dan. 2 shows a division into 2 parts at the legs, and then a division into 10 parts at the toes.

But it doesn't show a division into 4 parts, as the passage in Dan. 8 points out about Greece. Can you explain this contradiction in your theory?

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[DudleyDorite]

Again, Who is the iron, Greece? I have to assume, since you are not explaining it.


The passage in Dan. 8 shows that the Greek Empire is divided into 4 parts.

The iron of the statue in Dan. 2 shows a division into 2 parts at the legs, and then a division into 10 parts at the toes.

But it doesn't show a division into 4 parts, as the passage in Dan. 8 points out about Greece. Can you explain this contradiction in your theory?

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That's it. You let the two arms and legs fool you. I did explain as much as I'm going to explain. Now it's getting fruitless. Believe what you like. I know what I believe and why I believe it and that's all that counts. Let those who read this thread decide for themselves.

An old woman once said, "the way prophecy is written it's meant to fool us." You're proof!

 

[abcdef]

That's it. You let the two arms and legs fool you.

No, I just explained that their are other scriptures to be taken into account that relate to placement of nations in the time line.

I did explain as much as I'm going to explain. Now it's getting fruitless.

We only scratched the surface.

All you have done is taken a prophetic viewpoint of an outdated historian from 1900 years ago and tried to maintain it in these modern times of knowledge and understanding.

Believe what you like. I know what I believe and why I believe it and that's all that counts.

You have taking your scriptures and applied them in a narrow viewpoint without considering other applicable passages.

Let those who read this thread decide for themselves.

Hmmm, they usually do anyway.

An old woman once said, "the way prophecy is written it's meant to fool us." You're proof!

Was that old woman your mama? She is saying that Jesus is deceiving us, meaning to fool us, instead of speaking the truth to us. She is a liar!

Serious students know that prophecies are to build faith, trust, and love for Jesus. To bring strength and courage in times of weakness, and hope in times of depression.

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[abcdef]

This planet is coming to an end when Jesus comes for the kingdom as shown in Rev 11:15 and the 7th/last trumpet.

The events show restored to Israel Jerusalem, present day, falling to the powers from across the Euphrates, Iran and the gentile nations.

How long will it be before Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies?

When it does, 3 1/2 days later, Jesus comes for the kingdom and this planet is turned to fire.

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[RickyZ]

When will the 'rapture' be?
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Luke 12: 16And he told them this parable: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded an abundant harvest. 17He thought to himself, ‘What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.’

18“Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store my surplus grain. 19And I’ll say to myself, “You have plenty of grain laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.” ’

20“But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you.
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It could be today for any one of us.

 

[notuptome]

When will the 'rapture' be?
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Luke 12: 16And he told them this parable: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded an abundant harvest. 17He thought to himself, ‘What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.’

18“Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store my surplus grain. 19And I’ll say to myself, “You have plenty of grain laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.” ’

20“But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you.
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It could be today for any one of us.

The rapture is not about individuals but the entire church body. That could happen at any time.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[abcdef]

When will the 'rapture' be?
*
Luke 12: 16And he told them this parable: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded an abundant harvest. 17He thought to himself, ‘What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.’

18“Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store my surplus grain. 19And I’ll say to myself, “You have plenty of grain laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.” ’

20“But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you.
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It could be today for any one of us.

RZ,

2 Peter 3:9-13, Peter told of a time when the elements would burn, comparing it to the flood of Noah's day. But his reference to the new heavens and earth indicate that he is additionally pointing to the eternal place after death. This is showing the time line that after the elements melt, then the eternal heavens and earth will be revealed.

Imagine if you were Noah. Noah knew that the end of his world was coming, for years and years. Long enough to build a massive ark that could sustain life through the months of sever weather and drifting.

What was it like for Noah? Preaching the end of his world? And what about as the time came closer? Years, to months, to days?

I think, that when Noah went into the ark, just at the end, that his heart was breaking. How many could have been saved?

But maybe not. He had preached the saving grace of God for years. Everybody had heard and rejected, heard again and rejected again,.... and then heard again and rejected again.

Maybe he was ready to go. He had laid up his treasures in the ark, brought the seeds of a new beginning and a new life, and made sure that everyone that could be saved were in the ark of the covenant of God.

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Now, in the spirit of Noah we preach the same message. Save yourself, your family, your friends, neighbors and enemies. Tell them to get into the ark of the covenant of Jesus. Whosoever will may come.

We can be ready to go. We can lay up our treasures in heaven (the treasures are the souls that you helped save from the eternal fires), the seeds of the new beginning are God's blessings of eternal life, and looking for the joy that comes when we see the ones that heard and obeyed Jesus receiving their reward of eternal life.

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So now, here we are. The gospel has been preached for 1000's of years, hundreds of generations.

But there is coming a time when the door of the ark will be closed by God.

When that is, is a healthy Christian debate and one of the joys of God's Word. Searching, stimulating the Spirit, drawing closer to God through His Word.

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But now I will tell you that the time, when the door will be closing, is here.

Maybe a few years, months maybe, I really don't know. But things are happening now that will lead to the end of Israel and the fall of Jerusalem by Iran and the other gentile powers.

According to the story of the 2 Witnesses, 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls, Jesus comes for the kingdom and this planet ends in the fire that melts the elements.

You as a Christian are in the Spirit of Noah. You are Noah in a world that is coming to an end.

As the day approaches,........Preach the gospel.

Once the battle of Armageddon starts in full, it looks like it will only be a matter of days until Jerusalem falls and Jesus comes for the kingdom 3 1/2 days later.

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[abcdef]

The rapture is not about individuals but the entire church body. That could happen at any time.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

not,

Hmm, well actually, it can't.

It must come in agreement with the scriptures that describe it and the surrounding events.

If we look at examples of the resur/rapt, we sometimes will see a description of events leading up to and surrounding the resur/rapt.

For example, I believe that Jesus comes for the kingdom at the 7th trumpet, Rev 11:15. So I look at the events leading up to that event to try to get some insight. Like the 6th trumpet is before the 7th trumpet.

 

[notuptome]

not,

Hmm, well actually, it can't.

It must come in agreement with the scriptures that describe it and the surrounding events.

If we look at examples of the resur/rapt, we sometimes will see a description of events leading up to and surrounding the resur/rapt.

For example, I believe that Jesus comes for the kingdom at the 7th trumpet, Rev 11:15. So I look at the events leading up to that event to try to get some insight. Like the 6th trumpet is before the 7th trumpet.

Believe what you want but the rapture is the initial event for the end of the age. The trumpets are during the tribulation and the rapture is pre-tribulation. The church does not go through the tribulation. Unsaved folks and Israel go through the tribulation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[abcdef]

Believe what you want but the rapture is the initial event for the end of the age.

not,

What is the time that we are in right now? Do you have a scripture that refers to our time? The time before the resur/rapt? Or is it a blank?

The trumpets are during the tribulation

The trumpets are the time from 70 ad approx. until the resur/rapt.. (Seals, 37 ad until 70 ad.)

Trumpets are showing the withdrawing of blessings on the broken natural branches for rejecting the gospel kingdom.

According to Rev 14:7, the first 4 trumpets are on the 4 parts of creation, or wherever the broken natural branches are in creation.

Trumpets 5-7 show the time of restoration of the natural branches to Jerusalem and the final events of planet earth.

The tribulation was from 70 ad until Israel was restored to control of Jerusalem in 1967. (Completing the statue of Daniel 2.)

and the rapture is pre-tribulation.

Rev 4:1-2, does not show a resur/rapt.

Revelation is not one time line. It is repeating the same story over and over from different points of view.

The church does not go through the tribulation. Unsaved folks and Israel go through the tribulation.

The trib was 70 ad through 1967. The description is about the natural broken branches mainly. The kingdom enjoys a relationship with the Father through Jesus.

The blessings and "wraths" in the Bible are symbolizes by things like the lion and lamb together, they both have the spirit of the Lamb, the Holy Spirit through Jesus in the gospel kingdom. The wraths are symbolized by a broken relationship with Jesus, the sun and moon do not give 1/3 part of their light.

The scriptures revolve around Jesus and Israel, the kingdom is Israel, wild and natural branches. The things described and the symbols all center on the natural branches and their restoration to Jerusalem, ending the times of the gentiles that began in 70 ad, Lk 21:20-24, (they fall by the sword in 70 ad, they use guns now, so the descriptions in Matt 24, Mk 13, and Lk 21, are history).

When Jesus comes for the kingdom, wild and natural branches, there will be no second chances. That is, when Jesus comes for the kingdom of Israel (the church), this planet ends in fire.

ALL the trumpets have blown, except the 7th/last trumpet, that will sound after Jerusalem falls.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yes, for the cause of Christ.

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[notuptome]

not,

What is the time that we are in right now? Do you have a scripture that refers to our time? The time before the resur/rapt? Or is it a blank?




The trumpets are the time from 70 ad approx. until the resur/rapt.. (Seals, 37 ad until 70 ad.)

Trumpets are showing the withdrawing of blessings on the broken natural branches for rejecting the gospel kingdom.

According to Rev 14:7, the first 4 trumpets are on the 4 parts of creation, or wherever the broken natural branches are in creation.

Trumpets 5-7 show the time of restoration of the natural branches to Jerusalem and the final events of planet earth.

The tribulation was from 70 ad until Israel was restored to control of Jerusalem in 1967. (Completing the statue of Daniel 2.)




Rev 4:1-2, does not show a resur/rapt.

Revelation is not one time line. It is repeating the same story over and over from different points of view.




The trib was 70 ad through 1967. The description is about the natural broken branches mainly. The kingdom enjoys a relationship with the Father through Jesus.

The blessings and "wraths" in the Bible are symbolizes by things like the lion and lamb together, they both have the spirit of the Lamb, the Holy Spirit through Jesus in the gospel kingdom. The wraths are symbolized by a broken relationship with Jesus, the sun and moon do not give 1/3 part of their light.

The scriptures revolve around Jesus and Israel, the kingdom is Israel, wild and natural branches. The things described and the symbols all center on the natural branches and their restoration to Jerusalem, ending the times of the gentiles that began in 70 ad, Lk 21:20-24, (they fall by the sword in 70 ad, they use guns now, so the descriptions in Matt 24, Mk 13, and Lk 21, are history).

When Jesus comes for the kingdom, wild and natural branches, there will be no second chances. That is, when Jesus comes for the kingdom of Israel (the church), this planet ends in fire.

ALL the trumpets have blown, except the 7th/last trumpet, that will sound after Jerusalem falls.




Yes, for the cause of Christ.

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Ok no point in discussing this as you are convinced you are the expert. Preterism is complete heresy. First man restored Israel in 1967 not God. We may see out of the land again before God restores them. The temple was destroyed in 70 AD but Christ is not sitting on the throne of David in Jerusalem. So many obvious things are not yet to illustrate your theology is not biblical.

Nothing to discuss.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[abcdef]

Ok no point in discussing this as you are convinced you are the expert.

not,

We all learn from each other. I have learned a great deal from everyone here on CC. Even those that I may sometimes disagree with.

Preterism is complete heresy.

There seems to be some truth in most prophetic theories. The identification of entities and events in the time line is the variation.

First man restored Israel in 1967 not God.

If no nation can exist against the will of God, then this present day Israel must exist by the will of God.

If Israel exists today by the will of God, then shall we say that it is by chance, or by the exclusive will of men?

We may see out of the land again before God restores them.

According to Lk 21:20-24, 24, the restoration of Israel to military control of Jerusalem is all that is required to end the times of the gentiles.

The temple was destroyed in 70 AD but Christ is not sitting on the throne of David in Jerusalem.

Jesus sits on the eternal throne of David right now in Jerusalem in heaven Heb 12:18-24, 22, 24.

So many obvious things are not yet to illustrate your theology is not biblical.

Like what? How about a couple of examples? one maybe?

Nothing to discuss.

If you only play chess with someone who is never as good as you are,

Then you will never learn to improve your game.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The truth is not found by running away, even though sometimes, somehow it seems to catch up to us.

We must turn and confront the truth whether we want to or not.

Even if the truth is not what we thought, even if the truth is painful and bitter, we must face it.

Jesus said that He was the truth, we will face Him. Some truths are better confronted now. (Salvation issues)

And there are some truths that must be run down, hunted down from every path and brought the the light.

These are the prophetic truths. Searched and studied, the scriptures have been read billions of times, many for enlightenment and understanding, many like us, looking for His coming. Hungering and thirsting after the things that are truth, the meat of the Word.

Some one sees this, and some one sees that, each one learning.

Here is the truth, the iron nation of the statue in Daniel 2 is Rome.

Build on it.

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[notuptome]

The question of the OP is better asked How Long is the End? We are in the end times and have been since the Lord took His place at the right hand of the Father.

Eschatology is the one part of theology that draws more experts on a subject about which they know nothing. People love to speculate and dream about what God is going to do in the end time.

Let God be God. Live each day like it is the last day you will be on the earth. Redeem the time for the days are evil.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[abcdef]

The question of the OP is better asked How Long is the End? We are in the end times and have been since the Lord took His place at the right hand of the Father.

not,

I agree with you in a way. But then that leads to another question, how do you place the points on the time line that you define as the last days? The last days of what time period?

I mean that there are many different "last days" in scripture. Last days of the Law, last days of 70 ad Jerusalem, last days leading up to the restoration of Jerusalem, last days before the resur/rapt, last days of planet earth , etc..

You say that they started when Jesus sat down on the throne of God, exactly when did that happen in relation to earth time? I would say the Day of Pentecost was the beginning of the last days of planet earth. Yes/No?

Eschatology is the one part of theology that draws more experts on a subject about which they know nothing. People love to speculate and dream about what God is going to do in the end time.

Christians like you and I?

Let God be God. Live each day like it is the last day you will be on the earth. Redeem the time for the days are evil.

There is a time coming when the gospel will never be heard preached again on planet earth. The day of salvation is coming to an end. Not just for a few at a time through natural means, but this planet will soon be destroyed by the stone that strikes the statue in Daniel 2.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

not,

You have read the things that I have been saying. They are events that could take place soon.

Iran as the kings of the east from across the Euphrates River? United with the forces of the gentile nations Magog, Russia, Syria, etc.? The final battle of Armageddon will soon take place? Restored to Jerusalem surrounded?

If it is possible that I could be right. If it is possible that this is it.

Why wouldn't you want to know everything about it? Prove it wrong or prove it right? Wouldn't you want it explained completely?

Listen, the end is coming and people are so hung up on theories that are centuries old, that they won't hear or study some new viewpoint.

The differences are like taking a journey, one view point of the journey before you leave, and a different viewpoint of the journey after you arrive. According to the map (Bible), as I see it, we are at the point where we are about to arrive at our eternal destination.

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[notuptome]

not,

I agree with you in a way. But then that leads to another question, how do you place the points on the time line that you define as the last days? The last days of what time period?

I mean that there are many different "last days" in scripture. Last days of the Law, last days of 70 ad Jerusalem, last days leading up to the restoration of Jerusalem, last days before the resur/rapt, last days of planet earth , etc..

You say that they started when Jesus sat down on the throne of God, exactly when did that happen in relation to earth time? I would say the Day of Pentecost was the beginning of the last days of planet earth. Yes/No?




Christians like you and I?




There is a time coming when the gospel will never be heard preached again on planet earth. The day of salvation is coming to an end. Not just for a few at a time through natural means, but this planet will soon be destroyed by the stone that strikes the statue in Daniel 2.




not,

You have read the things that I have been saying. They are events that could take place soon.

Iran as the kings of the east from across the Euphrates River? United with the forces of the gentile nations Magog, Russia, Syria, etc.? The final battle of Armageddon will soon take place? Restored to Jerusalem surrounded?

If it is possible that I could be right. If it is possible that this is it.

Why wouldn't you want to know everything about it? Prove it wrong or prove it right? Wouldn't you want it explained completely?

Listen, the end is coming and people are so hung up on theories that are centuries old, that they won't hear or study some new viewpoint.

The differences are like taking a journey, one view point of the journey before you leave, and a different viewpoint of the journey after you arrive. According to the map (Bible), as I see it, we are at the point where we are about to arrive at our eternal destination.

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Wrong I do not read your misinformation. As I said before you have nothing of merit to offer.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[abcdef]

Wrong I do not read your misinformation. As I said before you have nothing of merit to offer.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

not,

OK, That's up to you.