Not By Works

[BillG]

And be not conformed to (the religions of) this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Why have you put religions of in brackets when no translation that I have does so?

I can't find Bible notes stating or inferencing religion

Adam Clarke commentary


And be not conformed to this world - By this world, αιωνιτουτῳ, may be understood that present state of things both among the Jews and Gentiles; the customs and fashions of the people who then lived, the Gentiles particularly, who had neither the power nor the form of godliness; though some think that the Jewish economy, frequently termed הזה עולם olam hazzeh, this world, this peculiar state of things, is alone intended. And the apostle warns them against reviving usages that Christ had abolished: this exhortation still continues in full force. The world that now is - This present state of things, is as much opposed to the spirit of genuine Christianity as the world then was. Pride, luxury, vanity, extravagance in dress, and riotous living, prevail now, as they did then, and are as unworthy of a Christian's pursuit as they are injurious to his soul, and hateful in the sight of God

(NKJV Study Bible Notes) 12:2 Conformed means “to form” or “mold.” World is the normal word for “age” or “era.” Instead of being molded by the values of this world, the believer should be transformed, that is, changed by the renewing of the mind. Spiritual transformation starts in the mind and heart. A mind dedicated to the world and its concerns will produce a life tossed back and forth by the currents of culture. But a mind dedicated to God’s truth will produce a life that can stand the test of time. We can resist the temptations of our culture by meditating on God’s truth and letting the Holy Spirit guide (NKJV Study Bible Notes) and shape our thoughts and behaviors. (NKJV study notes)

 

[TruthTalk]

You did not expose anything, you proved me right, you proved you teach that salvation must be maintained by what we do, thus proving beyond all measure that it is not God you are entrusting, but yourself,

You can post 1000 verses which you think prove you right, but it does. Ot mean your right, you have been here for along time, so many people have shown you what those verses mean, you just attack them, like you have done myself numerous times, to be honest, why people still respond to you boggles my mind, your like a broken record.

Anyway, for those who are wondering,

who does God word? His children who have been justified,

Who obeys gods commands? Again, his children who have been justified

Who lives in sin? Impostors, who have never met God, for as john says, whoever has been born of God can not live in sin.

Hs man posts many verses, but he takes them out of context, or twists them to mean something they never were meant say. All as a means to continue in his legalistic works based self focused gospel

Studyman has left the path of reason and rightly dividing God's word. It would do all of us a world of good if he would just learn the very basic, "rules of interpretation."

Psalm119:130
The unfolding of Your words gives light; it informs the simple.

 

[Studyman]

Why have you put religions of in brackets when no translation that I have does so?

I can't find Bible notes stating or inferencing religion

Adam Clarke commentary


And be not conformed to this world - By this world, αιωνιτουτῳ, may be understood that present state of things both among the Jews and Gentiles; the customs and fashions of the people who then lived, the Gentiles particularly, who had neither the power nor the form of godliness; though some think that the Jewish economy, frequently termed הזה עולם olam hazzeh, this world, this peculiar state of things, is alone intended. And the apostle warns them against reviving usages that Christ had abolished: this exhortation still continues in full force. The world that now is - This present state of things, is as much opposed to the spirit of genuine Christianity as the world then was. Pride, luxury, vanity, extravagance in dress, and riotous living, prevail now, as they did then, and are as unworthy of a Christian's pursuit as they are injurious to his soul, and hateful in the sight of God

(NKJV Study Bible Notes) 12:2 Conformed means “to form” or “mold.” World is the normal word for “age” or “era.” Instead of being molded by the values of this world, the believer should be transformed, that is, changed by the renewing of the mind. Spiritual transformation starts in the mind and heart. A mind dedicated to the world and its concerns will produce a life tossed back and forth by the currents of culture. But a mind dedicated to God’s truth will produce a life that can stand the test of time. We can resist the temptations of our culture by meditating on God’s truth and letting the Holy Spirit guide (NKJV Study Bible Notes) and shape our thoughts and behaviors. (NKJV study notes)

You have the interpretations you believe in. I have another source. It was the religious people of the world that killed Abel. It was the religious people of the world that threatened to stone Caleb. It was the religious people of the world that deceived men for centuries. It was because of the religions of the World that Jesus came too, 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

They were lost because the religions of the land didn't teach the truth about God.

It was the religious people of the world that yelled "Crucify Him". It was the religious people of the religion of the land that rushed and stoned Stephen to death. So for me it isn't the "world" "rocks, trees, it is the people of the world that I must not be conformed to.. And it isn't the heathen or the non believers who will deceive or create religious traditions which will cause me to go astray, it is the religious people of the world.

Remember that it was the only God of Abraham preaching people in the world that were trying to convert the gentiles to their religion, and they were also trying to turn the Apostles to their religion which Jesus said was "Doctrines created form the Commandments of Men".

A person who is seeking God will not listen to pagans or heathens, but they would listen to those who "Come in Christ's Name", or a person who is disguised as an Apostle of Christ or a religion that has a statue of a long haired men's hair shampoo model as their god.

Many people are already involved in the religions of the World just like those Pharisees. But Jesus still told them to "repent".

So in my understanding Paul is saying to all people,

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to (the religions of) this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[Studyman]

Studyman has left the path of reason and rightly dividing God's word. It would do all of us a world of good if he would just learn the very basic, "rules of interpretation."

Psalm119:130
The unfolding of Your words gives light; it informs the simple.

I understand the impact of Christ's Words on religious man through out the history of the Bible. It's always the same.

I must "conform" to your religious traditions regardless of what the Word says or I am a reprobate.

Ecc. 12:
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

I'm sticking with the Jesus of the Bible.

 

[BillG]

You have the interpretations you believe in. I have another source. It was the religious people of the world that killed Abel. It was the religious people of the world that threatened to stone Caleb. It was the religious people of the world that deceived men for centuries. It was because of the religions of the World that Jesus came too, 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

They were lost because the religions of the land didn't teach the truth about God.

It was the religious people of the world that yelled "Crucify Him". It was the religious people of the religion of the land that rushed and stoned Stephen to death. So for me it isn't the "world" "rocks, trees, it is the people of the world that I must not be conformed to.. And it isn't the heathen or the non believers who will deceive or create religious traditions which will cause me to go astray, it is the religious people of the world.

Remember that it was the only God of Abraham preaching people in the world that were trying to convert the gentiles to their religion, and they were also trying to turn the Apostles to their religion which Jesus said was "Doctrines created form the Commandments of Men".

A person who is seeking God will not listen to pagans or heathens, but they would listen to those who "Come in Christ's Name", or a person who is disguised as an Apostle of Christ or a religion that has a statue of a long haired men's hair shampoo model as their god.

Many people are already involved in the religions of the World just like those Pharisees. But Jesus still told them to "repent".

So in my understanding Paul is saying to all people,

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to (the religions of) this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

I'm going by the Bible and it's study notes, along with biblical scholar's.

That's my sources.

What is your other source?
One that states religion in Romans 12.

Romans 12:1 is a no brainer to a genuine beliver

 

[Studyman]

I'm going by the Bible and it's study notes, along with biblical scholar's.

That's my sources.

What is your other source?
One that states religion in Romans 12.

Romans 12:1 is a no brainer to a genuine beliver

I'm going by the Bible and it's study notes, along with biblical scholar's.

That's my sources.

What is your other source?
One that states religion in Romans 12.

Romans 12:1 is a no brainer to a genuine beliver

Well there you go Billy.

 

[BillG]

Well there you go Billy.

That made me laugh.

Where do you go to for research and learning and understanding and interpretation?

 

[BillG]

Well there you go Billy.

PS what do you mean by that

 

[TruthTalk]

You have the interpretations you believe in. I have another source. It was the religious people of the world that killed Abel. It was the religious people of the world that threatened to stone Caleb. It was the religious people of the world that deceived men for centuries. It was because of the religions of the World that Jesus came too, 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

They were lost because the religions of the land didn't teach the truth about God.

It was the religious people of the world that yelled "Crucify Him". It was the religious people of the religion of the land that rushed and stoned Stephen to death. So for me it isn't the "world" "rocks, trees, it is the people of the world that I must not be conformed to.. And it isn't the heathen or the non believers who will deceive or create religious traditions which will cause me to go astray, it is the religious people of the world.

Remember that it was the only God of Abraham preaching people in the world that were trying to convert the gentiles to their religion, and they were also trying to turn the Apostles to their religion which Jesus said was "Doctrines created form the Commandments of Men".

A person who is seeking God will not listen to pagans or heathens, but they would listen to those who "Come in Christ's Name", or a person who is disguised as an Apostle of Christ or a religion that has a statue of a long haired men's hair shampoo model as their god.

Many people are already involved in the religions of the World just like those Pharisees. But Jesus still told them to "repent".

So in my understanding Paul is saying to all people,

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to (the religions of) this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Studyman, you do add your words to Gods word; the word "World" does not imply, "the religions of", this is a false interpretation of God's word and you should confess and repent for teaching false doctrine on an international Christian website.

Please learn the proper rules of interpretation or stop teaching your false doctrine over an international Christian website, its a shame what you are doing, repent.

​

Definition: Nothing in this definition implies of, "religion", as Studyman teaches.
a space of time, an age
NASB Translation
age (20), ages (6), ancient time (1), beginning of time (1), course (1), eternal (2), eternity (1), ever* (2), forever (27), forever and ever (20), forevermore (2), long ago (1), never* (1), old (1), time (1), world (7), worlds (1).

Parallel Passage: "World", (Kosmos); does not refer to a religious system as Studyman teaches.

HELPS Word-studies
2889 kósmos (literally, "something ordered") – properly, an "ordered system" (like the universe, creation); the world.

Do Not Love the World
15) Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16) For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. 17) The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever.

 

[TruthTalk]

That made me laugh.

Where do you go to for research and learning and understanding and interpretation?

Your Church and discipleship should offer programs and classes to teach basic skills of interpretation. If not find a Church that does. Many cults were started by the misuse of the bible, Remember the Guyana Tragedy and cult leader Jim Jones, poisoned laced cool aid.

That's what concerns me about Studyman and his counterfeit gospel, where will he be in 10yrs from now. Plus the bible is full of warnings about "false teachers."

God bless!

 

[Seohce]

if "all things" He commanded means the Law of Moses ((as some say)) then what grounds is there to set aside sacrifice, meat and drink, feasts and new moon festivals, clothing, beard trimming, tithes to the temple the Levite and the poor, purifications, separation from the ritually unclean, forbidding to marry Gentiles, jubilee, death penalties for sin, circumcision of the flesh and all other things in the Law - - yet command ritual sabbath proscriptions and deeds?
isn't it all or nothing? what grounds are there in scripture to separate the Law into parts and disregard some and judge one another by others?

or does He speak of His own commands while He walked among men in the flesh?

no one i know of preaches disobedience. i hear them say obey the royal law, believe in His work, and walk in Him without fear of condemnation, knowing that He is who upholds us and has sanctified us. do good because it's who He created us to be, and declared us in Him to be, not in order to become unleavened but because He has already made us unleavened by His word.

what matters is a new creation - - amen, walk that way! but don't think the walking is the creation of the new creature. the creatures are born long before their legs learn to walk.

Titus 3:5 He saved us not by works of righteousness which we had done, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration, and by the renewing of the Holy Ghost,


THE RIHTEOUSNEßS OF THE JEWS WAS THROUGH THE LAW.


Deuteronomy 6:24-25 The Lord commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the Lord our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today. And if we are careful to obey all this law before the Lord our God, as he has commanded us, THAT WILL BE OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.”


THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRISTIANS (NEW CREATION/MAN) IS THROUGH FAITH.


Romans 9:30-32 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, A RIGHTEOUSNESS THAT IS BY FAITH; but ISRAEL, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it NOT BY FAITH but as if it were by works. THEY stumbled over the “stumbling stone.”


IF YOU ARE A JEW WHOSE RIGHTEOUSNESS IS THROUGH THE LAW ….IT IS "NOT BY WORKS".(ephesians 2:8-deuteronomy 6:24-25)

WHETHER YOU'RE A GENTILE OR A JEW, IF YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS IS THROUGH FAITH , YOU ARE;

..God's workmanship created in
Christ Jesus TO DO GOOD WORKS which He has PREPARED IN ADVANCE FOR US TO DO . ( ephesians 2:10)



“NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAD DONE" REFERS TO THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE JEWS WHICH WAS THROUGH THE LAW. (titus 3:5, eph 2:8-9)


PAUL’S QUESTION IS:


Romans 3:31 Do we, then, NULLIFY the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.


HE ALSO SAID,


Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith NULLIFY God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”


GOD PUTS AND WRITES THE LAW IN OUR HEARTS AND MINDS.


Hebrews 8:10 This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.


Hebrews 10:16 “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.”


...NOT JUST TO THE JEWS WHO WERE CIRCUMCISED IN THE FLESH BUT ALSO TO THOSE WHO WERE CIRCUMCISED IN THE HEART.


Romans 2:28-29 A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is CIRCUMCISION OF THE HEART, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God.


AND CHRISTIANS ARE ABLE TO FULFILL AND UPHOLD THE LAW IN THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS BECAUSE OF THE LOVE THAT WAS POURED INTO THEIR HEARTS.


Romans 5:5 And hope does not disappoint us, because GOD HAS POURED OUT HIS LOVE INTO OUR HEARTS by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.


AND THEREFORE, “LOVE IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW.”(romans 13:10)


galatians 6

2 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.


1 John 3:16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.


1 John 5:2-3 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,


2 John 1:6 AND THIS IS LOVE; THAT WE WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you WALK IN LOVE.


Romans 10:9-10 That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your HEART that you BELIEVE and are JUSTIFIED, and it is with your MOUTH that you CONFESS and are SAVED.


1 John 3:18 Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but WITH ACTIONS AND IN TRUTH.


Romans 8:4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be FULLY MET IN US, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.


John 14:15 “IF YOU LOVE ME, YOU WILL OBEY WHAT I COMMAND.”


Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?


26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD also.


17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18how that they told you THERE SHOULD BE MOCKERS IN THE LAST TIME, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 19These be they who separate themselves, sensual, HAVING NOT THE SPIRIT.


15Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 THEY PROFESS THAT THEY KNOW GOD; but IN WORKS THEY DENY HIM, being ABOMINABLE, and DISOBEDIENT, and unto every good work REPROBATE.


13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, BE SOBER, and HOPE TO THE END FOR THE GRACE that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 AS OBEDIENT CHILDREN, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15 but as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 because it is written, BE YE HOLY; FOR I AM HOLY.


OBEDIENCE LEADS TO RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH LEADS TO HOLINESS AND THE RESULT IS ETERNAL LIFE. (romans 6:16-23)

 

[Seohce]

eternally grateful said:

You did not expose anything, you proved me right, you proved you teach that salvation must be maintained by what we do, thus proving beyond all measure that it is not God you are entrusting, but yourself,

You can post 1000 verses which you think prove you right, but it does. Ot mean your right, you have been here for along time, so many people have shown you what those verses mean, you just attack them, like you have done myself numerous times, to be honest, why people still respond to you boggles my mind, your like a broken record.

Anyway, for those who are wondering,

who does God word? His children who have been justified,

Who obeys gods commands? Again, his children who have been justified

Who lives in sin? Impostors, who have never met God, for as john says, whoever has been born of God can not live in sin.

Hs man posts many verses, but he takes them out of context, or twists them to mean something they never were meant say. All as a means to continue in his legalistic works based self focused gospel


truthtalk said:
Studyman has left the path of reason and rightly dividing God's word. It would do all of us a world of good if he would just learn the very basic, "rules of interpretation."

Psalm119:130
The unfolding of Your words gives light; it informs the simple.


seohce said:
16 These people are grumblersand faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

 

[Seohce]

19Go ye therefore, and TEACH ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


OUR LORD JESUS BEFORE GOING BACK TO THE FATHER INSTRUCTED HIS DISCIPLES TO TEACH OBEDIENCE UNTO ALL NATIONS.


IF ANYONE WOULD TEACH THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD’S WORD, TEACHINGS, LAWS AND COMMANDS, IS NOT NECESSARY OR PART OF SALVATION, DOES HE NOT TEACH CONTRARY TO THE LORD’S TEACHINGS?


WHEN THE LORD SAID THAT “IF YOU WANT TO ENTER LIFE, OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS”, AND SOMEONE ELSE WOULD SAY THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD WILL NOT SAVE ANYONE BECAUSE “FAITH ALONE SAVES”. IS IT NOT A CLEAR REJECTION, NULLIFICATION, DISRESPECT, DISOBEDIENCE, UNBELIEF AND MOCKERY OF GOD’S WORD?


15Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16They profess that they know God; BUT IN WORKS THEY DENY HIM, being ABOMINABLE, and DISOBEDIENT and unto every good work REPROBATE.


4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, TURNING THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO (A LICENSE FOR) LASCIVIOUSNESS, and DENYING the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.


...Teaching for doctrines the commandments of men….Full well ye reject the commandment of God... making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.(mark 7:6-13)


...because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.(isaiah 5:20-24)


...Be not deceived; GÒD IS NOT MOCKED: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. 9And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. 10As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.(galatians 6:7-10)


32who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are WORTHY OF DEATH, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things COMETH THE WRATH OF .GOD ÙPON THE CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE


MAN GOT SEPARATED FROM GOD BECAUSE OF THE SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE WHEN MAN WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT WHO SAID THAT “...Ye shall not surely die.”(genesis 3:4)


DÈCEIVERS OF THIS AGE SAYS THE SAME THING;


“YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE (PERIßH / BE CONDEMNED). ONCE YOU'RE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS ßAVED. JUST HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS (OF RIGHTEOUSNESS / ÒBEDIENCE) AND YOU WILL POSSESS ETERNAL LIFE THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE.



IS IT NOT APPOINTED FOR MEN TO DIE ONCE AND FACE JUDGMENT AFTER? (hebrews 9:27-28)


11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw THE DEAD, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOÙND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.


“FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD”


JESUS HAS NOT FOUND YOUR WORKS COMPLETE IN THE SIGHT OF GOD. REMEMBER THEREFORE WHÀT YOU HEARD AND RECEIVED. OBEY IT, AND REPENT.(revelations 3:1-6)



47And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48HE THAT REJECTETH ME, and RECEIVETH NOT MY WORDS, hath one that judgeth him: THE WORD THAT I HAVE SPOKEN, THE SAME SHALL. JUDGE HIM IN THE LAST DAY. 49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I KNOW THAT HIS COMMANDMENT IS LIFE EVERLASTING: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

 

[TruthTalk]

That made me laugh.

Where do you go to for research and learning and understanding and interpretation?

Hi again BillG, I know this is a familiar verse to you and bears repeating that all that glitters is not gold and some who would bear the name Christian are in name only, or pretenders.

2Corinthians11:14
No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

Proverbs18:15
The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge, for the ears of the wise seek it out.

God bless!

 

[Studyman]

That made me laugh.

Where do you go to for research and learning and understanding and interpretation?

Gosh,

I thought I made the case for my understanding in a detailed and concise manner taking the entire Bible and the Word's of the Lord, along with the examples He had written for my admonition. I'm not sure, given the biblical history of religious man, that I should just accept just anybody's interpretation of scriptures. Especially "Scholars" given that the catholic Church was the only "Christian" religion for centuries and now many know they were teaching doctrines of men, the same as the Mainstream preachers of Christ's time.

But It's OK Billy. I share my understanding, you don't agree. This has been going on for a long time.

I'm OK with it.

 

[dcontroversal]

You have the interpretations you believe in. I have another source. It was the religious people of the world that killed Abel. /QUOTE]

One of the most ignorant statements I have seen bolded above....

a. First is was ONE man that killed ABEL NOT RELIGIOUS PEOPLE
b. The ONE man that killed ABEL was a LOST man
c. THE ONE man that was LOST and KILLED ABEL is later identified as a FALSE teacher in JUDE
d. AND the ONE man that killed ABEL who was also was lost and a false teacher PEDDLED WORKS

No need to even address the rest of the drivel in the post....you cannot even get the third line right.....

 

[VCO]

Rom. 12:
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to (the religions of) this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

It's always about what God's Word teaches VS. what religious man preaches for me EG.

I know we will never agree, I just wanted to expose your false teaching that those who trust the Christ and His instructions do not do so because they believe that God needs their help to save them.

It's called "Being faithful". But you can't understand such a concept because you have been convinced man does not participate in their own salvation.

Luke 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead

Luke 6:
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Keep up the Study Man, because you have not arrived at the whole truth Yet.

 

[Studyman]

Keep up the Study Man, because you have not arrived at the whole truth Yet.

Now there is something I agree with. You too VCO, if you are His He will reveal your errors to you. Just make sure not to stone the messenger as did the Mainstream preachers of HIS Time..

 

[VCO]

God's Salvation existed long before I was even born. His Salvation existed before I even knew Him, or of Him.

So in this respect, I had nothing to do with His Salvation. I didn't create it, my participation doesn't change it and I have never even implied anything differently. But the Bible is clear, not every one is saved.

Matt. 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

I don't believe in your religion VCO. Because Jesus doesn't teach what you preach. According to Him, we have a Covenant together.

He doesn't repent for me, He doesn't carry my cross for me, and He doesn't follow Him Self for me. He gives me the strength to do these things, but I must humble myself to Him and His Salvation plan first. This is called repentance.

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

None of the scriptures you posted, even in your new age translation, refutes this belief.

I know "many" will never agree because Jesus also teaches this:

Luke 16:
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead

WE are Labourers together to reconcile me to God. You can find another way if you like, "many" have tried, and maybe you have.

But the Bible teaches that only Faith in the Christ of the Bible leads to eternal life. And faith without works is dead. Since we all have "works" every day, should we follow the works created by God which He before ordained that we should walk in them? Or should our works be determined by which religious franchise we belong to?

Since He is the Rock, He never changes contrary to religious traditions which change from generation to generation, and His Word's Last forever while religious men come and go with each passing generation.

So though your religion sounds appealing, and there are "many" who have chosen to enter in through it, I am going to stick with the Christ and His Works.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

First of all, HOW DO YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING THAT I BELIEVE IN AND TEACH ? ? ?
I am a Conservative Evangelical style of Christian, so DO YOU KNOW WHAT ALL WE TEACH AND BELIEVE ? ? ?

You talk a good game, but then you throw in the paragraph, that I highlighted in dark fuscia, and therefore you come across like YOU ARE ADDING TO YOUR SALVATION, which is a lie. NONE of those things you mentioned in that paragraph, adds ANYTHING to your SALVATION. It is a Gift of GOD. What you are describing is the CHANGE IN ATTITUDE, because our once DEAD human spirit, is NOW ETERNALLY ALIVE. It WILL have a New Nature, that is in tune with GOD, and because of that NEW NATURE:

YOU WILL REPENT WITH THE HELP OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!
YOU WILL CARRY YOUR CROSS WITH THE HELP OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!
YOU WILL FOLLOW CHRIST IN YOUR DAILY WALK, WITH THE HELP OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

You say you HUMBLED yourself, YET, it appears you are TAKING CREDIT FOR EVERYTHING THE HOLY SPIRIT IS DOING THROUGH AND IN YOU. How about you HUMBLE YOURSELF to the point that EVERYTHING YOU DO as a Christian, YOU GIVE THE GLORY TO CHRIST and THE HOLY SPIRIT IN YOU, for doing it, like PAUL DID.


Galatians 2:20 (HCSB)
20 and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

Romans 9:1 (NCV)
1 I am in Christ, and I am telling you the truth; I do not lie. My conscience is ruled by the Holy Spirit, and it tells me I am not lying.

Romans 7:18 (HCSB)
18 For I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh. For the desire to do what is good is with me, but there is no ability to do it.


You tell me that you do not believe my Religion. BUT I DO NOT TEACH A RELIGION, I teach an inner, personal, LOVE, relationship with the LORD, JESUS CHRIST.

You tell me that Because Jesus doesn't teach what you preach. But I TEACH what the BIBLE SAYS, and only that; and ALL SCRIPTURE IS INSPIRED BY HIM. YOU DOUBT THAT OBEDIENCE IS PART OF OUR LOVE, THAT SPAWNS FROM GOD'S LOVE IN OUR HEART, AND NEVER WAS PART OF SALVATION. Then read this:

1 John 3:14-19 (HCSB)
14 We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.
15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
16 This is how we have come to know love: He laid down His life for us. We should also lay down our lives for our brothers.
17 If anyone has this world’s goods and sees his brother in need but closes his eyes to his ⌊need⌋—
how can God’s love reside in him?
18 Little children, we must not love with word or speech, but with truth and action.
19 This is how we will know we belong to the truth and will convince our conscience in His presence,


OUR LOVING OBEDIENCE, NEVER HAS BEEN PART OF OUR SALVATION; HOWEVER IS CLEARLY PART OF GOD'S LOVE THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT POURED INTO OUR HEARTS, Rom. 5:5. Humble yourself to believe in that Truth, and you will give credit to Christ and the Holy Spirit solely, instead of taking the glory unto yourself.

 

[Seohce]

First of all, HOW DO YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING THAT I BELIEVE IN AND TEACH ? ? ?
I am a Conservative Evangelical style of Christian, so DO YOU KNOW WHAT ALL WE TEACH AND BELIEVE ? ? ?

You talk a good game, but then you throw in the paragraph, that I highlighted in dark fuscia, and therefore you come across like YOU ARE ADDING TO YOUR SALVATION, which is a lie. NONE of those things you mentioned in that paragraph, adds ANYTHING to your SALVATION. It is a Gift of GOD. What you are describing is the CHANGE IN ATTITUDE, because our once DEAD human spirit, is NOW ETERNALLY ALIVE. It WILL have a New Nature, that is in tune with GOD, and because of that NEW NATURE:

YOU WILL REPENT WITH THE HELP OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!
YOU WILL CARRY YOUR CROSS WITH THE HELP OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!
YOU WILL FOLLOW CHRIST IN YOUR DAILY WALK, WITH THE HELP OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

You say you HUMBLED yourself, YET, it appears you are TAKING CREDIT FOR EVERYTHING THE HOLY SPIRIT IS DOING THROUGH AND IN YOU. How about you HUMBLE YOURSELF to the point that EVERYTHING YOU DO as a Christian, YOU GIVE THE GLORY TO CHRIST and THE HOLY SPIRIT IN YOU, for doing it, like PAUL DID.


Galatians 2:20 (HCSB)
20 and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

Romans 9:1 (NCV)
1 I am in Christ, and I am telling you the truth; I do not lie. My conscience is ruled by the Holy Spirit, and it tells me I am not lying.

Romans 7:18 (HCSB)
18 For I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh. For the desire to do what is good is with me, but there is no ability to do it.


You tell me that you do not believe my Religion. BUT I DO NOT TEACH A RELIGION, I teach an inner, personal, LOVE, relationship with the LORD, JESUS CHRIST.

You tell me that Because Jesus doesn't teach what you preach. But I TEACH what the BIBLE SAYS, and only that; and ALL SCRIPTURE IS INSPIRED BY HIM. YOU DOUBT THAT OBEDIENCE IS PART OF OUR LOVE, THAT SPAWNS FROM GOD'S LOVE IN OUR HEART, AND NEVER WAS PART OF SALVATION. Then read this:

1 John 3:14-19 (HCSB)
14 We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.
15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
16 This is how we have come to know love: He laid down His life for us. We should also lay down our lives for our brothers.
17 If anyone has this world’s goods and sees his brother in need but closes his eyes to his ⌊need⌋—
how can God’s love reside in him?
18 Little children, we must not love with word or speech, but with truth and action.
19 This is how we will know we belong to the truth and will convince our conscience in His presence,


OUR LOVING OBEDIENCE, NEVER HAS BEEN PART OF OUR SALVATION; HOWEVER IS CLEARLY PART OF GOD'S LOVE THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT POURED INTO OUR HEARTS, Rom. 5:5. Humble yourself to believe in that Truth, and you will give credit to Christ and the Holy Spirit solely, instead of taking the glory unto yourself.

19Go ye therefore, and TEACH ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


OUR LORD JESUS BEFORE GOING BACK TO THE FATHER INSTRUCTED HIS DISCIPLES TO TEACH OBEDIENCE UNTO ALL NATIONS.


IF ANYONE WOULD TEACH THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD’S WORD, TEACHINGS, LAWS AND COMMANDS, IS NOT NECESSARY OR PART OF SALVATION, DOES HE NOT TEACH CONTRARY TO THE LORD’S TEACHINGS?


WHEN THE LORD SAID THAT “IF YOU WANT TO ENTER LIFE, OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS”, AND SOMEONE ELSE WOULD SAY THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD WILL NOT SAVE ANYONE BECAUSE “FAITH ALONE SAVES”. IS IT NOT A CLEAR REJECTION, NULLIFICATION, DISRESPECT, DISOBEDIENCE, UNBELIEF AND MOCKERY OF GOD’S WORD?


15Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16They profess that they know God; BUT IN WORKS THEY DENY HIM, being ABOMINABLE, and DISOBEDIENT and unto every good work REPROBATE.


4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, TURNING THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO (A LICENSE FOR) LASCIVIOUSNESS, and DENYING the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.


...Teaching for doctrines the commandments of men….Full well ye reject the commandment of God... making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.(mark 7:6-13)


...because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.(isaiah 5:20-24)


...Be not deceived; GÒD IS NOT MOCKED: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. 9And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. 10As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.(galatians 6:7-10)


32who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are WORTHY OF DEATH, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things COMETH THE WRATH OF .GOD ÙPON THE CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE


MAN GOT SEPARATED FROM GOD BECAUSE OF THE SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE WHEN MAN WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT WHO SAID THAT “...Ye shall not surely die.”(genesis 3:4)


DÈCEIVERS OF THIS AGE SAYS THE SAME THING;


“YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE (PERIßH / BE CONDEMNED). ONCE YOU'RE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS ßAVED. JUST HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS (OF RIGHTEOUSNESS / ÒBEDIENCE) AND YOU WILL POSSESS ETERNAL LIFE THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE.



IS IT NOT APPOINTED FOR MEN TO DIE ONCE AND FACE JUDGMENT AFTER? (hebrews 9:27-28)


11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw THE DEAD, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOÙND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.


“FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD”


JESUS HAS NOT FOUND YOUR WORKS COMPLETE IN THE SIGHT OF GOD. REMEMBER THEREFORE WHÀT YOU HEARD AND RECEIVED. OBEY IT, AND REPENT.(revelations 3:1-6)



47And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48HE THAT REJECTETH ME, and RECEIVETH NOT MY WORDS, hath one that judgeth him: THE WORD THAT I HAVE SPOKEN, THE SAME SHALL. JUDGE HIM IN THE LAST DAY. 49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I KNOW THAT HIS COMMANDMENT IS LIFE EVERLASTING: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.