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You will never get your pieces of the puzzle to fit together to see the completed beautiful picture.
Well the pieces may fit together but the picture is anything but beautiful.
You will never get your pieces of the puzzle to fit together to see the completed beautiful picture.
No Saint is worthy of Sainthood, we didn't earn that title we received it as a gift from God. We were all dead in our sins and trespasses when God quickened us to life and regenerated us, we received the Holy Spirit who indwells us and guides our path.I understand, as for me I'm not worthy of sainthood I'm not good only God is good.
My, MY, Roger, You sure have your hands full in trying to eternally save us, who are lost and going to hell! Don't you? Because of your lack of knowledge, you don't know that you have nothing to do with eternally saving people.So did you just wake up one day and decide that you were elect? Did you actually have a conversion experience or simply arrive at an intellectual conclusion that you are elect and thereby saved?
Did you ever acknowledge your sin before the Lord and ask Him to for give you for your sin?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I have a command to witness for Christ. I do not save anyone but I am commanded to tell everyone. Tell then the truth of a loving Savior Who died for their sins.My, MY, Roger, You sure have your hands full in trying to eternally save us, who are lost and going to hell! Don't you? Because of your lack of knowledge, you don't know that you have nothing to do with eternally saving people.
You become elect and predestined in Christ not predestined and elect to be in Christ.
Matt 5:20, Kingdom of heaven in this verse has reference to Christ's church, which he is King of. No wonder you have so many going to hell.I have a command to witness for Christ. I do not save anyone but I am commanded to tell everyone. Tell then the truth of a loving Savior Who died for their sins.
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
You poor man you swallow the camel. You cannot humble yourself but elevate yourself above your fellow man because you have deemed yourself elect.
Mt 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Still time for you to repent and receive Christ as your Savior. You become elect and predestined in Christ not predestined and elect to be in Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
told you ...You become elect and predestined in Christ not predestined and elect to be in Christ.
The Bible tells us that God gave us more than just the opportunity to be saved. It tells us that He did everything to bring about our salvation, the Bible says we were dead in our sins and trespasses and as such we would never choose to give our lives to God.God from the very begining gave people the opportunity to have their sins forgiven with a blood sacrifice. The preferred sacrifice was an unblemished lamb. Cain tried vegetables and was rejected and killed Abel out of jealously. Too many went astray so God did a reset with Noah. People still rejected God so he set aside the children of Israel to show the way. Still had problems and the northern 10 tribes were dispersed. That left the southern tribes of Judah and Benjamin with a portion of the Levites known down through history as Jews. They are unique in history as the only group kicked out of their land and kept their identity. Through all this time up to Jesus the devout adherents to God practiced blood sacrifices yearly to remove their sins. Jesus (God incarnate) allowed himself to be the unblemished Lamb of God to die on the cross for our sins. All we now have to do is be saved by grace through faith in Jesus. Those who reject this grace will pay a horrific penalty. God knows the end from the begining. He knew the cross was there when he created the heavens and earth but He did it anyway.
All of these actions by God demonstrates his love for mankind. He gave us the opportunity to have our sins removed from us so we would be acceptable to Him.
Election and predestination have a very specific application in Scripture. Those terms are applied to those who are already children of God, but must be transformed into the likeness of Christ. See 1 John 3:1-3.So election and predestination are true, there are around 40 verses of scripture which speak about this truth.
However, the offer of salvation is to WHOSOVER WILL believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved, and God is no respecter of persons.
JOHN 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. (Rev 22:17)
One can say everyone who believes, or anyone and everyone who believes, or whosoever believes. It simply means that all people are invited to believe regardless of anything else. As to the how and why, Jesus already provided us with the answer.Better translation is "everyone who believes", but anyway, the problem is in the background of it - how/why somebody believes.
One can say everyone who believes, or anyone and everyone who believes, or whosoever believes. It simply means that all people are invited to believe regardless of anything else.
And that is why God has given the Gospel and the Holy Spirit so that men will be brought to repentance and faith. The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes (Rom 1:16). Why do Christians forget these essential truths? Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God (which is the Gospel) (Rom 10:17). Peter says that we are born again through the Word of God which is the Gospel (1 Pet 1:23-25).Similarly, to say "everybody who believes" does not mean that all people are able to believe or are able to produce faith in themselves.
And that is why God has given the Gospel and the Holy Spirit so that men will be brought to repentance and faith. The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes (Rom 1:16). Why do Christians forget these essential truths? Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God (which is the Gospel) (Rom 10:17). Peter says that we are born again through the Word of God which is the Gospel (1 Pet 1:23-25).
Only the people who are already born of the Spirit can discern spiritual things, such as believing, accepting, repenting etc. The natural man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14 cannot discern spiritual things until he is born of the Spirit. Eph 2:5 tells us how the natural man is born of the Spirit, which does not involve believing, repenting, accepting etc.And that is why God has given the Gospel and the Holy Spirit so that men will be brought to repentance and faith. The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes (Rom 1:16). Why do Christians forget these essential truths? Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God (which is the Gospel) (Rom 10:17). Peter says that we are born again through the Word of God which is the Gospel (1 Pet 1:23-25).
All of the above verses are speaking about the elect of God, they all suggest that believers have a special gift which enables them to believe. No amount of evidence will persuade those who were not born with the gift of belief, they will all go to the grave denying Christ.Election and predestination have a very specific application in Scripture. Those terms are applied to those who are already children of God, but must be transformed into the likeness of Christ. See 1 John 3:1-3.
Christ desires to present unto Himself a perfect Bride (without spot or blemish), therefore He will perfect and glorify the saints before the Marriage of the Lamb at the Resurrection/Rapture. Which means that every sinner who is genuinely saved has been elected to be perfected in Christ, and this is what God has predetermined, predestinated, and foreordained. This is also why good works have been foreordained for those who are saved (Eph 2:10).
However, the offer of salvation is to WHOSOVER WILL believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved, and God is no respecter of persons.
JOHN 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. (Rev 22:17)
That is TOTAL NONSENSE and here's why:You would have a very hard time to prove that God is giving Gospel and the Holy Spirit effectivelly to all people and thus that God is making the same conditions for all people to believe.