Did you all know that there are three heavens

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trofimus said:
No, the firmanent is the sky.

The firmanent holds one mass of waters above - clouds -> raining from above on your head.

"And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water gfrom water....God called the vault “sky.”
Gn 1:6
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Vault is a roof
 
pjharrison said:
I gave you 1 John 2: 26 - 27
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1. actually the Apostle John gave us I John 2: 26 and you interpreted it wrong

2. lobbing verses achieves absolutely nothing.

3. the earth is a sphere

did you want to talk about atoms at all? :geek:
 
Dino246 said:
The very real danger with taking this to heart is that you become unteachable. You think that every whim of an idea about Scripture that comes into your mind is "the truth taught by the Holy Spirit".

How is it that the (supposedly) same Holy Spirit Who works in all believers has taught many of them something different than what He has taught you? We all read the same Bible. We disagree. The only way you can hold your position consistently is to believe that everyone else is deceived.

Here's a hint: if it appears that everyone else is deceived, it's time to take a really close look at your heart and your beliefs.
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pjharrison said:
Vault is a roof
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do you believe that the sun rotates around the earth? in other words, earth is stationary and the sun orbits around it

is that what you believe?
 
trofimus said:
Yes, "roof" above your head that holds water above. And it has holes in it so the water sometimes rains down.

Good, now you have a tribal knowledge of the world from 4,000 years ago :)
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trofimus said:
Yes, "roof" above your head that holds water above. And it has holes in it so the water sometimes rains down.

Good, now you have a tribal knowledge of the world from 4,000 years ago :)
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It's the same world
 
7seasrekeyed said:
1. actually the Apostle John gave us I John 2: 26 and you interpreted it wrong

2. lobbing verses achieves absolutely nothing.

3. the earth is a sphere

did you want to talk about atoms at all? :geek:[/QUOT
Give me your interpretation of 1 John 2: 26 -27. I would like to see what you have done to it. When the time comes when it will like the days of Noah, you will really believe that there are aliens here, but they will really be demons.
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pjharrison said:
God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. His word never changes.
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Our knowledge changes. We know more today.

And "His word" was written with vocabulary of ancient people having very primitive idea of reality. Thats why you must do some work and dig, not just read it as today's textbook about everything.


And His word changes. For example old testament - new testament change is a common knowledge.
 
trofimus said:
i know you fear NASA, from some reason that is hidden to me. So there are few non-NASA projects:



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All of those things are a lie. The photos of the planets are photo shop. There are no planets. That's all a set up so that when the demons are visible on the earth people will think that they are aliens. When the second heaven is closed to them and they are bound on the earth with a body, it will be like the time of Noah. That is what this verse is about. Matthew 24:22 22"If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened
 
pjharrison said:
All of those things are a lie. The photos of the planets are photo shop. There are no planets. That's all a set up so that when the demons are visible on the earth people will think that they are aliens. When the second heaven is closed to them and they are bound on the earth with a body, it will be like the time of Noah. That is what this verse is about. Matthew 24:22 22"If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened
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You must live in a very dark world. I wonder how you even finished a school.

Your worldview is full of terrible satanic conspiracies.
 
I haven't read all responses but am just responding to PJ Harrison.

I agree. The first heaven is that which we see and are now exploring. Satan and certain fallen angels do dwell in the second heaven, and God and His throne is in the third.

Demons are not fallen angels, but disembodied spirits of a prior age, and they are always seeking a body to express themselves. Thus, the ministry of deliverance is so needed.

We are the violent that takes what? The third? No. Think about it. The authority of Jesus is to rule over the power of the enemy both on earth and in the heavenlies.
 
trofimus said:
Our knowledge changes. We know more today.

And "His word" was written with vocabulary of ancient people having very primitive idea of reality. Thats why you must do some work and dig, not just read it as today's textbook about everything.


And His word changes. For example old testament - new testament change is a common knowledge.
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Those ancient people were closer back to Adam and Eve than we are, so I'm sure they had knowledge of what was really going on in those times. The farther we have come away from it, everything has been distorted. Satan wants to be worshipped by the whole world. He has been deceiving from the beginning. He has changed so many things. Our minds are full of deception, and we don't know it. That's why our minds have to be renewed, back to the way it was before Adam sinned.
 
trofimus said:
You must live in a very dark world. I wonder how you even finished a school.

Your worldview is full of terrible satanic conspiracies.
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Because this is not the kingdom of God, it is the kingdom of satan. Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
 
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I just want to ask you if you were on periscope yesterday. I saw a pharrison there. :)
 
pjharrison said:
Those ancient people were closer back to Adam and Eve than we are, so I'm sure they had knowledge of what was really going on in those times. The farther we have come away from it, everything has been distorted. Satan wants to be worshipped by the whole world. He has been deceiving from the beginning. He has changed so many things. Our minds are full of deception, and we don't know it. That's why our minds have to be renewed, back to the way it was before Adam sinned.
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It seems to me that the only knowledge you recognize as valid is tradition. What grandpa said to grandson.

But there are more reliable sources of knowledge than that. For example experiment.
 
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