Did you all know that there are three heavens

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pjharrison

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Jewel5712 said:
There WAS before lucifer and his angels were cast out.
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Eph 6: 10 -12Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
 
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Jewel5712 said:
Support just that with scripture
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John 18:36 36Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place." Eph:2:2, 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
 
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Jewel5712 said:
You said the one above us is the 3td heaven where God dwells ..so again..wheres the 1st heaven?
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Is THIS what youre refering to?

"This mighty angelic being was rightfully judged by God: “I threw you to the earth” (Ezekiel 28:18). This doesn’t mean that Satan had no further access to heaven, for other Scripture verses clearly indicate that Satan maintained this access even after his fall (Job 1:6-12; Zechariah 3:1,2). However, Ezekiel 28:18 indicates that Satan was absolutely and completely cast out of God’s heavenly government and his place of authority (Luke 10:18)."

Talking about Satan..
 
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Ok..upon a bit if study..satan was cast out of heaven to earth where he remains til Jesus 2nd coming..see revelations..TGEN he will be cast down to the lake of fire
 
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pjharrison said:
John 18:36 36Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place." Eph:2:2, 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
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Still doesnt imply theyre in a "heaven"..satan can be all around...EXCEPT in heaven in the presence of God
 
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Jewel5712 said:
Is THIS what youre refering to?

"This mighty angelic being was rightfully judged by God: “I threw you to the earth” (Ezekiel 28:18). This doesn’t to mean that Satan had no further access to heaven, for other Scripture verses clearly indicate that Satan maintained this access even after his fall (Job 1:6-12; Zechariah 3:1,2). However, Ezekiel 28:18 indicates that Satan was absolutely and completely cast out of God’s heavenly government and his place of authority (Luke 10:18)."

Talking about Satan..
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Do you believe there are 3 heavens, what's in the 2cd heaven?
 
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pjharrison said:
No, they where kicked out of the third, into the second. They are the evil in the heavenly realms.
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Ok..i see what youre saying "heavenly"...the sky ..God..in HEAVEN..yes..ive never heard of tgem NUMBERED before just dont know where the 3rd on comes in...
 
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pjharrison

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Jewel5712 said:
Still doesnt imply theyre in a "heaven"..satan can be all around...EXCEPT in heaven in the presence of God
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You don't seem to believe the scriptures.
 
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pjharrison said:
No, they where kicked out of the third, into the second. They are the evil in the heavenly realms.
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Ok but again the word heaven itself contradicts your theory, heaven is a place of safety and comfort which is why ut's derived from the word haven, now what part of a demonic realm in the second heaven sounds like a safe and peaceful place?
 
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pjharrison said:
You don't seem to believe the scriptures.
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Did you read my post? I posted several scriptures as well..its YOUR understanding of the scriptures that DIFFER from mine..not that i dont BELIEVE the scriptures. I dont believe YOUR INTERPRETATION of the scriptures..difference.
 
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Blain said:
Ok but again the word heaven itself contradicts your theory, heaven is a place of safety and comfort which is why ut's derived from the word haven, now what part of a demonic realm in the second heaven sounds like a safe and peaceful place?
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Eph 6: 10 -12Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
 
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pjharrison

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Jewel5712 said:
Did you read my post? I posted several scriptures as well..its YOUR understanding of the scriptures that DIFFER from mine..not that i dont BELIEVE the scriptures. I dont believe YOUR INTERPRETATION of the scriptures..difference.
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2 Cor:12:2, 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
 
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pjharrison said:
Eph 6: 10 -12Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
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Ok but where does it say it's the second heaven then?
 
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pjharrison said:
Eph 6: 10 -12Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
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Heavenly..NOT HEAVEN where God resides..heavenly..birds..clouds..stars..but NOT with God..
 
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pjharrison said:
You don't seem to believe the scriptures.
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That's quite unnecessary.

She, and I, just don't accept your interpretation of the Scriptures. There is a massive difference.
 
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Blain said:
Ok but where does it say it's the second heaven then?
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If we know there is a third, there must be a second and a first. The first is the sky. So the second is in between.
 
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Dino246 said:
That's quite unnecessary.

She, and I, just don't accept your interpretation of the Scriptures. There is a massive difference.
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Well how do you explain evil in the heavenly realms. And what's in the second?
 
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