Speaking in tongues
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I would offer. God is no longer bringing any new revelations as prophecy after any manner to include dreams or visions .He adds a warning at the end of his book of prophecy the Bible to those who go above that which is written.
Satan is still brining lying wonders. Human experience is not the validator of the spiritual unseen world .Scripture as it is written alone is. If human experience was a way of understanding God not seen than the Son of man failed.
Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.Mathew 4:1-10
Out of the body, which in reality is lying spirits bringing in lies or near death experience is on the rise today . It make me wonder that when Christ does come as a thief in the might will he find faith as it is written or those walking by sight after the things seen ?
Agreed, God is not adding to Scripture. However, He is still speaking to people outside of Scripture, giving guidance, comfort, encouragement, and insight. His "extra-biblical" messages don't contradict Scripture, but Scripture was never intended to tell its reader whether to study mechanical engineering or civil engineering (for example). God may use Scripture to answer a question, but that particular application would likely be meaningless to the next reader.
Yes, using the existing knowledge limited to that which is written in all its entirety. God is not bringing any new revelations after any manner .
If someone says I had a dream or a vision or what some call an out of body experience or near death experience that they say confirms as a sign they have the Holy Spirit. We are to believe not. In Mathew 24 the Holy Spirit informs us beforehand.... this is before the last book Revelation was inspired and signified, that it would not possible to deceive the elect in that way.
Using the perfect as our safeguard, false prophets that would come after we would immediately know it is not of God. Men like Mohamed, Charles Russel or Buddhism, any man that says I had a vision or heard a voice they are identified as false prophets that bring false prophecy, as false apostles...…. not sent of God. But come after the god of this world Satan.
“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand.“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.Mathew 23: 23-28
Tongues are supposed to heal people not to kill people according to you, saying your tongues are effective and someone dies doesn't even sound right. Still fake- a muslim/an atheist/a hindu would say such a story and claim their god did it.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, said the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was an husband to them, said the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, said the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, said the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
I think you need to go re-read that, this time with the intent to listen instead of confront. Because boy did you ever miss that one.
Oh it's the old "you're not a reliable witness" claim? Good, you'll vouch for that to a judge the next time I need to get off jury duty then?
It amazes me, God says 'do this and you'll see that' ... so you 'do this and see that', and Christians will just line up to tell you why it is wrong. Rather than take the Bible at it's word.
I wonder how God feels about being called an unreliable witness?
J
jaybird88
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i will bite.
so are you saying the Most High will not answer prayers unless we speak in the angel language?
I agree God is not bring anything new; other than to those who have not heard it for the first time, that is new to them.
If you have heard it once, and then you are hearing it again, that could be confirmation . That is why we judge what is being said, in the light of what is already written in the word of God.
I would agree. Not only does the Holy Spirit teach guide and comfort us but he also brings to mind daily as our daily bread the things we do learn. This is so we can endure to the end
These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14: 25-26
garee said,
How much do you know about dreams, visions, and OBE'S? Do you know the difference between a dream and a vision? Better yet, have you ever had an OBE or a vision?
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven."
I wonder if John was in the midst of lying spirits on this one...
After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
The spirit world consist of angels and demons. Even when we are not "there" they still can influence us.
Dreams and visions, even OBE'S can be of God, and they can be of the devil, and it's not that difficult to tell the difference. It's kind of like speaking in tongues.
How much do you know about dreams, visions, and OBE'S? Do you know the difference between a dream and a vision? Better yet, have you ever had an OBE or a vision?
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven."
I wonder if John was in the midst of lying spirits on this one...
After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
The spirit world consist of angels and demons. Even when we are not "there" they still can influence us.
Dreams and visions, even OBE'S can be of God, and they can be of the devil, and it's not that difficult to tell the difference. It's kind of like speaking in tongues.
No not at all. And anyone who tells you that is wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.
The only thing it does is it allows us to speak to things we have no idea are going on. There is power in thought, as in when we pray silently to ourselves. And there is more power in the spoken word. Praying in spoken English or French or German or whatever is no less powerful than praying in tongues. But they are limited to what we know. Tongues allow us to speak words about what the Holy Spirit knows. Like the example I shared, I had no clue as to how this guy's girlfriend died. But the Holy Spirit knows. And in praying thru Spirit over them, I received knowledge of something that pinpointed a thorn in Bob's soul. Would it have happened if I had just said "and Lord take care of all the things I don't know to pray for"? Maybe. Maybe not. What I do know is, thru the tongue, that it was taken care of right there and then.
So no, it's not that God won't answer prayers in our worldly language. Tongues just allow us to be a little more focused and specific towards things we don't know about - but He does.
J
jaybird88
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didnt Jesus teach the Father knows our needs before we ask? why the need for the angels language when He already knows our needs and mind?
Witnesses are physically appointed and appointments are physical and sometimes dramatic, not theology or strange dreams- how many times does God lament in the bible of people appointing themselves? when did God appoint you to be a witness??
God never told anyone to speak things that they don't understand.
So you speak words that you don't understand and someone's girlfriend dies in a car crush and you were convinced that tongues were effective?!!!
This is a funny story too because Jesus said the spirit of truth will lead us to all understanding. If God wants you to know that someone is dead, you will surely know the specific event - not through some unclear dreams, there's no connection between spirits flying out of a cave and an accident in a tunnel and all because you spoke things that you don't understand.