Speaking in tongues

[DudleyDorite]

nobody said that about a legit act of the Spirit. it happened and it was real....real supernatural.
I said it about todays rubbish tongues stuff.
all doctrines of demons.

I can tell you a dream a certain Pentecostal had that suggest tongues are of the devil. He didn't like me after I interpreted the dream. Both he and his wife were tongues speakers and they BOTH had the same dream. This is a condensed version of it because I don't remember it all, but my memory of it is accurate.

Dreams are meant to inform us of something, to prepare for or prevent something. I find it interesting that both he and his wife had the same dream.
He (and his wife) found himself in the middle of a road in an arid parched place. The roofs of the buildings were drab. He saw an awful looking creature in the middle of the road which he believed was the devil approaching him so he began speaking in tongues at it. He believed he was rebuking it. He then began throwing rocks at it to no avail.

Interpretation:
Parched/Arid= unproductive, unprofitable. Drab= gray, DULL, faded, dismal, uninspired.
Awful looking creature/devil. Implies evil.
Middle of the road; indicates your sense of direction and how you are pursuing your goals.
Devil in the middle of the road; evil is inhibiting your direction and productivity.
Speaking in tongues to rebuke it; (futile) attempt to prevent its development and advancement/progress.
Throwing rocks at it to no avail; Hurling the words of Christ with no advantage or usefulness.

Yes, I would say that MOST tongue speaking does come "from the other side."

 

[RickyZ]

I'm going to re-post this from earlier...

I had an acquaintance years ago who we'll call 'Bob', friend of a friend kind of thing. I didn't know much about him but I knew he was mad at God. He and his girlfriend had been considering becoming Christians, but before they could decide she died. Bob was angry that, if there was a God, He would take her before she had made a decision.

So one night I'm alone praying and my prayers come to Bob. So I pray in English, Lord, I lift up Bob, and his anger and yadayadayada everything I know to pray about Bob, in English.

But then, my mind and heart stay on Bob, but I start praying in my tongue. And while I'm doing that I get this vision of these legions of angels rushing into a cave or tunnel ... One after another after another after another ... flying into this cave.

The next time I talked to Bob, I told him about this vision. He got silent, then said his girlfriend had died in a car wreck under a freeway bridge. I said maybe he shouldn't be so sure she hadn't decided.

And while I only talked to him once after that, it seems that he took that message to heart.

It's 1 Cor 14 in action:

Pray in your understanding.

Pray in the Spirit, and receive understanding.

Intercede directly with something you have no earthly knowledge of

Be edified by the humble use of yourself to edify another.


Now, Zone, I advise you to consider the lessons of Mark 3 and Luke 12, and THINK VERY CAREFULLY before you respond. Demons don't do things to soften people's hearts to God. And Christians don't say things that soften people's hearts to God are demonic.

 

[Dino246]

So you're backing out. Too many Pentecostal's think that all you have to do is pray for the holy spirit's guidance to obtain truth. If we are serious about acquiring truth, we have to put effort to obtain truth. We also have to approach it with an open mind. Too many people today approach the scriptures with their mind already made up believing they already have things figured out. AND, too many people today are unwilling to re-consider the views they currently have, or consider other views and change their mind. After all, changing their mind is an admission of fault and Christians typically don't admit their mistakes.

I've even had one Christian tell me, "I know I'm right because I have the holy spirit and he wouldn't lie to me."

I'm not "Pentecostal". I'm not "too many" anything. Your comments about what "too many people" or what "Pentecostals" say, think, or do are irrelevant to me and provide nothing of substance for this discussion.

You ask questions as though you're a cop interrogating a suspect, hoping to trip them with their words. I'm not interested in playing your game.

When you want to discuss respectfully, I may respond. If you want to employ manipulation tactics, I'll ignore you.

 

[DudleyDorite]

You are absolutely right. My apologies for mouthing off and judging. It isn't my call to make.

But it is God's:

Mark3:
20Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. 21When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.”

22And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebul! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.”

23So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? 24If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27In fact, no one can enter a strong man’s house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man’s house. 28Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter,29but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”

30He said this because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit.”

So now you are blaming your condemning judgmentalism on God. Isn't that nice.

Let the words of Jesus remind you...

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

 

[Dino246]

I can tell you a dream a certain Pentecostal had that suggest tongues are of the devil. He didn't like me after I interpreted the dream. Both he and his wife were tongues speakers and they BOTH had the same dream. This is a condensed version of it because I don't remember it all, but my memory of it is accurate.

Dreams are meant to inform us of something, to prepare for or prevent something. I find it interesting that both he and his wife had the same dream.
He (and his wife) found himself in the middle of a road in an arid parched place. The roofs of the buildings were drab. He saw an awful looking creature in the middle of the road which he believed was the devil approaching him so he began speaking in tongues at it. He believed he was rebuking it. He then began throwing rocks at it to no avail.

Interpretation:
Parched/Arid= unproductive, unprofitable. Drab= gray, DULL, faded, dismal, uninspired.
Awful looking creature/devil. Implies evil.
Middle of the road; indicates your sense of direction and how you are pursuing your goals.
Devil in the middle of the road; evil is inhibiting your direction and productivity.
Speaking in tongues to rebuke it; (futile) attempt to prevent its development and advancement/progress.
Throwing rocks at it to no avail; Hurling the words of Christ with no advantage or usefulness.

Yes, I would say that MOST tongue speaking does come "from the other side."

So tongues are false but a dream is valid. Um, yeah. That is a self-refuting argument.

 

[DudleyDorite]

I'm not "Pentecostal". I'm not "too many" anything. Your comments about what "too many people" or what "Pentecostals" say, think, or do are irrelevant to me and provide nothing of substance for this discussion.

You ask questions as though you're a cop interrogating a suspect, hoping to trip them with their words. I'm not interested in playing your game.

When you want to discuss respectfully, I may respond. If you want to employ manipulation tactics, I'll ignore you.

I've been very nice to you. You would just rather cop out than confront the issue. But hey, that's why there's an ignore option on the forum.

 

[Dino246]

I've been very nice to you. You would just rather cop out than confront the issue. But hey, that's why there's an ignore option on the forum.

Claiming that you're being nice and accusing me of copping out are inconsistent.

 

[DudleyDorite]

So tongues are false but a dream is valid. Um, yeah. That is a self-refuting argument.

No. The dream is telling the man and woman speaking in tongues is unprofitable, unproductive….and of the devil.
I don't like saying that, but it needs to be said. I was a Pentecostal once and preached about 20 sermons in a Pentecostal church, and I probably have more time studying the sect than most of you.

 

[DudleyDorite]

Claiming that you're being nice and accusing me of copping out are inconsistent.

I didn't accuse you of coping out, you chose to! How about if I say "backing out." Does that help?

 

[RickyZ]

So now you are blaming your condemning judgmentalism on God. Isn't that nice.

Let the words of Jesus remind you...

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

You know it's funny. I have 50 passages (not scriptures but passages of scripture) which condemn hording riches. I'll post that from time to time, without a single word of my own. it's 100% straight from the Bible without commentary, embellishment, or interpretation. Just scripture. And you wouldn't believe the number of people who rail at me for being judgmental etc etc etc. I didn't say anything! All those arguments are with God, not me.

Point being, if I say someone blasphemes the Holy Spirit, then yes it's my bad and I apologize. But when scripture says someone blasphemes the Holy Spirit - your judgment is from God not me.

 

[notuptome]

If you deny all tongues today, if you say they have completely ceased, then you deny the legitimate uses and attribute those to demons.

Supposition unsupported by any biblical facts. A behavior in search of any scripture to support it.

Scripture says tongues ceased. The only thing tongues today have in common with tongues in the apostolic era is the name.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Dino246]

I've been very nice to you. You would just rather cop out than confront the issue. But hey, that's why there's an ignore option on the forum.

I didn't accuse you of coping out, you chose to! How about if I say "backing out." Does that help?

Hypocrite. Have a nice life. Bye.

 

[DudleyDorite]

If you deny all tongues today, if you say they have completely ceased, then you deny the legitimate uses and attribute those to demons.

Let me tell you the only way tongues are legitimate.

I experienced it twice in Europe.

There were 3 Greek/Arab speaking Muslim's in the service. Their names were Moham, Sassi, and Kumar. We were helping them get back to Cyprus as their Visa was ready to expire. A congregant spoke in tongues and we could all tell it had the signs of a real human language. Then the interpretation came. The person who interpreted DID NOT know Greek or Arabic. The three Muslim's were astounded. The speaker, who didn't know Greek, spoke in their native language and the 3 Muslim's understood it. What the interpreter said in English was the exact same thing the speaker said in Greek. Neither of them knew Greek!

That's how tongues are real, how they are confirmed, how they are meant for unbelievers, and how they uplift the congregation.

 

[notuptome]

I'm going to re-post this from earlier...

I had an acquaintance years ago who we'll call 'Bob', friend of a friend kind of thing. I didn't know much about him but I knew he was mad at God. He and his girlfriend had been considering becoming Christians, but before they could decide she died. Bob was angry that, if there was a God, He would take her before she had made a decision.

So one night I'm alone praying and my prayers come to Bob. So I pray in English, Lord, I lift up Bob, and his anger and yadayadayada everything I know to pray about Bob, in English.

But then, my mind and heart stay on Bob, but I start praying in my tongue. And while I'm doing that I get this vision of these legions of angels rushing into a cave or tunnel ... One after another after another after another ... flying into this cave.

The next time I talked to Bob, I told him about this vision. He got silent, then said his girlfriend had died in a car wreck under a freeway bridge. I said maybe he shouldn't be so sure she hadn't decided.

And while I only talked to him once after that, it seems that he took that message to heart.

It's 1 Cor 14 in action:

Pray in your understanding.

Pray in the Spirit, and receive understanding.

Intercede directly with something you have no earthly knowledge of

Be edified by the humble use of yourself to edify another.


Now, Zone, I advise you to consider the lessons of Mark 3 and Luke 12, and THINK VERY CAREFULLY before you respond. Demons don't do things to soften people's hearts to God. And Christians don't say things that soften people's hearts to God are demonic.

Story time. Dreams and visions are for Israel not for Gentiles. Dreams and visions are part of the latter part of Joel's prophecy again for Israel.

Tongues were for Israel and not for today's Gentiles.

God softens hearts not stories of legions of angels. The Holy Spirit ministers through the word of God.

Just what message did the guy receive? A message from you or a message from Gods word?

I always love it when a message comes with a threat. Believe or be condemned according the teller of the story.

How about we do what God commands and simply testify of Christ and declare the word of God before a lost and dying world.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[DudleyDorite]

Hypocrite. Have a nice life. Bye.

Isn't that nice. Having trouble coping are you?

 

[shittim]

he may be right, and you may not have grown to where you understand it.
John 16-13, when Holy Spirit comes, He will guide, speak and show.

 

[DudleyDorite]

You know it's funny. I have 50 passages (not scriptures but passages of scripture) which condemn hording riches. I'll post that from time to time, without a single word of my own. it's 100% straight from the Bible without commentary, embellishment, or interpretation. Just scripture. And you wouldn't believe the number of people who rail at me for being judgmental etc etc etc. I didn't say anything! All those arguments are with God, not me.

Point being, if I say someone blasphemes the Holy Spirit, then yes it's my bad and I apologize. But when scripture says someone blasphemes the Holy Spirit - your judgment is from God not me.

Have you ever considered that it could be your ill perception, your misguided interpretation, your misunderstanding of speaking in tongues that makes you accuse people of blasphemy against the holy spirit, even to the point of condemn people? And then you say "God said it, not me?" You need to realize that by doing so you claim God is condemning close to 500 million people? this is the kind of un-Christ like thinking that destroys the cause of Jesus Christ and makes us all look like hypocrites.

 

[DudleyDorite]

Story time. Dreams and visions are for Israel not for Gentiles. Dreams and visions are part of the latter part of Joel's prophecy again for Israel.
Roger

Everybody dreams. They are part of being human in a physical and spirit world. Not all of them are beneficial, but many of them are for our benefit. I don't know where you come up with the idea they are for Israel. Visions and dreams still occur today. But, if you don't believe, you don't get. They are not to predict the future of the world, those have already been given and documented. They are meant for the person who gets them. They may predict YOUR future, esp., if the one receiving the dream or vision doesn't act according to its message. They often inform to do or not to do something. They inform us to help us prevent a calamity or bad situation.

 

[Oncefallen]

Hey Zone! Good to see you again!

Too bad you are still blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

I see you're still pedaling false doctrines....doctrines of devils.
why not repent?

Guys (and gals) these types of accusations do not help maintain a civil discourse whatsoever. Both Cessationism and Continuationism fall within the pale of orthodoxy and is a subject that theologians have been debating since the early 1900's (at least in recent history). If you cannot discuss a subject that is "touchy" for you doctrinally in a civil manner perhaps it is best that you stay out of it.

 

[garee]

[QUOT

If it brings glory to God? Is that not a proof? (I provided an example many pages back)

Scripture alone determines what gives glory to God unseen.

The proof is tongues. God brining his word as prohepcy in other languages other than Hebrew alone in order to mock, called stammering lips) the unbelieving Jew who mocked Him by the oral traditions of men. In the end of the matter making the word of God without effect .It is a sign against them that confirms they do not have the Holy Spirit .

Note..... (purple in parenthesis) my comments

The prophecy as a perfect law not subject to change below......

For with stammering lips and another tongue (other languages other than Hebrew alone) will he (God) speak to this people.(that make a mockery out the word of God, prophecy ) To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would "not hear".Isaiah 28:11-12

The fulfillment of the Isaiah 28 prophecy

Brethren, be not "children" in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding "be men". In the law (Isaiah 28) it is written, With men of other tongues (languages other than Hebrew alone) and other lips(other nations other than the Hebrew nation alone) will I speak unto this people; (those who mock God) and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues (other languages other than Hebrew alone)are for "a sign", not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying (declaring the will of God as it iswriiten ) serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.(God's words as it is written) 1 Corinthians 14:20-22

No such thing as a sign gift we walk(understand God not seen) by faith not by sight.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight