Where Did Cain find his two wives
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Actually, there is an argument that the 'forbidden fruit' was relations with satan. I don't necessarily buy into that theory, but it is an interesting one to consider...
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is symbolic of satan, just as the tree of life is symbolic for Jesus Christ.
Adam and Eve were instructed not to have anything to do with Satan, not even to "touch" it. The word touch in that passage is the Hebrew word "Naga", which means to lay with a woman. Satan in his natural state, is incredible to behold and She saw that it was pleasant to the eye. With that and Satan being also the serpent as well, which is the Hebrew word "Nachash" which means to hiss, to mutter as in speaking in a whisper. Later, she bare Cain and declared that she had gotten a man from the lord. One of the words used for Baal (also Satan) is lord. Lord was used of Yahveh as well as Satan. Abel was from Adam, Cain was from Satan. Christ declares this also in Matt. 13, in the parable I mentioned above. This was Satan's first attack on the Adamic race to interrupt and try to stop the seedline, which Christ would come through. If you do not know what happened in the garden, you will not understand the Kingdom Parables. When Paul wrote about Eve's seduction, you will find the English word "beguiled", but the original word He used was "expatao" which means wholly seduced, meaning one cannot be anymore seduced than this. Look in any of the listed genealogy of Adam, and you will not find Cain in the list. Cain's decendants were responsible for the killing of Christ, and Christ Himself says so, in John. chapter 8.
Forgive me, I failed to note the source when I saved this.
Again, just a consideration, not a theology
Actually, there is an argument that the 'forbidden fruit' was relations with satan. I don't necessarily buy into that theory, but it is an interesting one to consider...
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is symbolic of satan, just as the tree of life is symbolic for Jesus Christ.
Adam and Eve were instructed not to have anything to do with Satan, not even to "touch" it. The word touch in that passage is the Hebrew word "Naga", which means to lay with a woman. Satan in his natural state, is incredible to behold and She saw that it was pleasant to the eye. With that and Satan being also the serpent as well, which is the Hebrew word "Nachash" which means to hiss, to mutter as in speaking in a whisper. Later, she bare Cain and declared that she had gotten a man from the lord. One of the words used for Baal (also Satan) is lord. Lord was used of Yahveh as well as Satan. Abel was from Adam, Cain was from Satan. Christ declares this also in Matt. 13, in the parable I mentioned above. This was Satan's first attack on the Adamic race to interrupt and try to stop the seedline, which Christ would come through. If you do not know what happened in the garden, you will not understand the Kingdom Parables. When Paul wrote about Eve's seduction, you will find the English word "beguiled", but the original word He used was "expatao" which means wholly seduced, meaning one cannot be anymore seduced than this. Look in any of the listed genealogy of Adam, and you will not find Cain in the list. Cain's decendants were responsible for the killing of Christ, and Christ Himself says so, in John. chapter 8.
Forgive me, I failed to note the source when I saved this.
Again, just a consideration, not a theology
rickyZ
how are you, You should take time and read Rev 2:9 were he was called everything but the tree of knowledge of good and evil, those are roles he plays, He also plays the role of the antichrist, But what I can't seem to get people to understand is that all of them are the same person,
You, Sir, put it all together better than I could have. we know now who has a gift for teaching. I'm lucky if I get to plant am seed once every full moon, But what baffles me is how can you know the truth and not by into it.
Just curious
Well for me it is sealed in my forehead and I can not unlearn it.
Actually, there is an argument that the 'forbidden fruit' was relations with satan. I don't necessarily buy into that theory, but it is an interesting one to consider...
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is symbolic of satan, just as the tree of life is symbolic for Jesus Christ.
Adam and Eve were instructed not to have anything to do with Satan, not even to "touch" it. The word touch in that passage is the Hebrew word "Naga", which means to lay with a woman. Satan in his natural state, is incredible to behold and She saw that it was pleasant to the eye. With that and Satan being also the serpent as well, which is the Hebrew word "Nachash" which means to hiss, to mutter as in speaking in a whisper. Later, she bare Cain and declared that she had gotten a man from the lord. One of the words used for Baal (also Satan) is lord. Lord was used of Yahveh as well as Satan. Abel was from Adam, Cain was from Satan. Christ declares this also in Matt. 13, in the parable I mentioned above. This was Satan's first attack on the Adamic race to interrupt and try to stop the seedline, which Christ would come through. If you do not know what happened in the garden, you will not understand the Kingdom Parables. When Paul wrote about Eve's seduction, you will find the English word "beguiled", but the original word He used was "expatao" which means wholly seduced, meaning one cannot be anymore seduced than this. Look in any of the listed genealogy of Adam, and you will not find Cain in the list. Cain's decendants were responsible for the killing of Christ, and Christ Himself says so, in John. chapter 8.
Forgive me, I failed to note the source when I saved this.
Again, just a consideration, not a theology
There are quite a number of problems with theory.
1. God instructed them not to eat of the tree. He said nothing about touching it. EVE added that. It's a good lesson for us not to add to God's Word.
2. If we interpret "eat" of the forbidden tree as meaning sex with satan, then there are a bunch of other "trees" in the Garden, that God said they may "eat" of that are just fine to have sex with?
3. Adam did also "eat". So satan had homosexual sex with Adam?
4. Scripture tells us specifically that Adam "knew", had sex with, his wife and Cain was the product of that sex.
5. Nobody took Jesus's life. He gave up His Life Willingly. In a very real sense WE all put Jesus on that cross to pay our sin debt.
There are holes in your understanding.
1. eat of the tree is a Hebrew idiom, which means they were not to interact with that tree, but the others they could interact with, then when Satan was beguiling her, she said GOD said not to interact with you, let alone have sex with you. and of course, he said that's because GOD knows that once you do your eyes will be open.
I am a paraphrasing of course but when you translate the Hebrew words that is how it reads,
2. the word touch translates as sex with satan. you are using the word.
3. that is one theory. there is another that has to do with Lilith, But you wouldn't be interested in that, but either way, you can see how the sin in the garden affected all of mankind, and they said they eat an apple, Historical,
4. Adam did know ( slept with ) eve and eve who had been deceived said she got a child from the lord, but she was already pregnant by Satan then she got pregnant by Adam had them a couple of days apart, Cain wasn't Adams. Just able.
5. it was Cains offspring that GOD used to willingly give his life because they were the offspring of Satan by way of Cains progeny 1jon 3:12
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The Bible doesnot list all the children Adam and Eve had. Where did Able find his wife/s? And Seth... Adam lived to be 930 years old, I'm sure there were plenty of cousins for Cain...
It was a "pure" line back then; wouldn't have been the defects there are today? But if there were after 930years I sure there were several cousins "twice removed"....
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SpoonJuly
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Where are you getting this nonsense? Who is teaching you this?
I have never heard such heresy in my 72 years.
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UnderGrace
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These are the teachings of the Luciferian Mystery Schools and their hidden knowledge which is now being openly promoted so the naive and innocent fall prey to their lies.
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UnderGrace
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UnderGrace
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#3 is very weak response to PennEd's question.
You are saying the Adam slept with Eve and the led to the fall of mankind?
That makes no sense since God created the man and the women to be together and procreate, so this could not have been Adam's sin. Since you know this all so well what exactly did Adam do if Eve had sex with Satan, did Adam do the same with Satan? Yes or no?
So that's it, huh. you never heard of it so it can't be true. it's automatically heresy
Did you really even give it an honest look.
Congrats on being 72, I feel the Messia will be back before I get there, the LORD returning Is not far off.
That is really close to calling evil good and good evil.
Now let's see in what generation was that supposed to happen.
Oh, yea the generation of the fig tree.
#3 is a very weak response to PennEd's question.
I have a feeling I will be coming back to this one,
This translates into I didn't understand that, can you please explain.
No wonder you are confused.
That wasn't said at all, you changed the words on my post to suit your own understanding, which sounds a lot like what a Kenite would do.
Now I'm not pointing fingers, I'm just noticing the resemblances.
If and when you decide to fully read closer. you will see that I didn't say Adam and Eve sleeping together lead to the fall of mankind, Those were your words that you add,
But I did say that Lucifer, that old serpent, that tree of knowledge of good and evil, that dragon, that soon to be antichrist, whatever name you choose to use. His beguilement ( seducing for sexual pleasure ) of Adam and eve lead to the fall of mankind,
Why did I say that because the Bible said that, You should be taken time and do a little bit of looking up of words from Greek and Hebrew to English if you do that over time you will see that the Kenites have done exactly what you had done and how it has caused confusion, They did it to Christ, now I'm not worthy to follow in his footsteps, But if they feel that I'm so important that they need to give attention and effort to hushing me up, then I am doing something right.
well, I gotta go, Hopefully, you won't stay mad at me and not reply.
full disclosure, 1 of my many faults is talking over peoples head, it's not just you, that doesn't understand me sometimes, But I need to learn to talk in simpler terms, I hope you can help me with that.
See you until then stay in his word.
Enocish, can you direct me to the NT author, apostolic authors or church father or reformer who taught what you are teaching here?
Or some church creed saying it.
Private interpretation of Bible can lead to many heresies, so, we should always check with history and general direction of the church.
Or some church creed saying it.
Private interpretation of Bible can lead to many heresies, so, we should always check with history and general direction of the church.
Yes,
a wise man,
always check others out.
Even if you don't come to the same conclusion I do, you will have an answer for what you believe on that day of judgment,
Most everything is about understanding.
But the one belief that will cause you harm, is not believing that Christ died on the cross and was resurrected for the remission of sin.
That should be the one thing that all Christians should agree on.
would you agree?
https://shepherdschapel.com/video/
I am sorry, but this does not answer my question at all. I am not saying if it harms our belief or not, I am asking if you can direct me to some other resources from history teaching what you teach...
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UnderGrace
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Here some help,
The Serpent Seed Doctrine and the Kenites
Another central teaching of Arnold Murray is the serpent seed doctrine. According to Murray, Eve had sex with the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. In 2 Corinthians 11:3, Murray uses the word “beguiled” to mean “wholly seduced.” Hence, Murray claims the Serpent sexually seduced Eve who then became pregnant with Cain; the devil’s literal offspring. Murray asserts that the offspring of Cain are called the “Kenites.” He also states that the Kenites are not a race, “but a hybrid.” (Genesis 1:1‐6:22, tape #146) He thus seems to implicitly consider them to be less than human. Mr. Murray claims that many of the Kenites are Jewish! Based upon the “creed” of the Shepherd’s Chapel, Murray states, “We believe in the existing Satan…who has a people who will not hear God (John 8:44‐47).” (Our Statement of Faith, p.2) In John 8:44‐47, the context clearly states that these people who are the “children of the devil” are Jews (8:31‐58).
Hence, Murray believes that Jesus is referring to these particular Jews as the literal offspring of Satan. Regarding the Jews he writes, “Now, who stands in Jerusalem today?.. the sons of Cain, or those who will not accept Jesus Christ..the Kenites, that founded a new nation starting in 1948.” (The Shepherd’s Bible, Commentary by Arnold Murray, 1979) He calls them “scum,” and obviously makes the racial Jewish businessman remark when he states, “If you want to get a Kenite upset, bother his money table.” (Parable of the Fig Tree, Tape #445) Murray connects these Jews with Cain by Christ’s comment in John 8:44 that their father was a “murderer from the beginning.” To affirm these Jews as the offspring of Cain (i.e., the Kenites), Murray refers to Cain’s murder of Abel in Genesis 4. One can only conclude that Mr. Murray has made statements that label him as a white supremacist. He might tell colored people to be proud of who they are, but then again, so do some white supremacists. The real questions the followers of Arnold Murray need to ask are: Does Arnold Murray think that non‐whites are equal to whites in every respect? Does he approve of interracial Christian marriages like the Bible does? (Gen. 16; Num. 12 cf., Gen. 10:6 & Amos 9:7; Song of Sol. 1:5‐7 cf., 3:7‐11; 1 Cor. 7:39; Gal. 3:28 [note: The only type of marriage the Bible forbids is one between believer and nonbeliever: Ex. 34:14‐16; 1 Cor. 7:39; 2 Cor. 6:14]). Would Mr. Murray let a black or a Christian of Jewish ancestry preach at his church—perhaps even take it over if he were to pass away? What does Murray think about the Jewish holocaust in World War II? What does he think about the Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan? These types of questions need to be addressed to Arnold Murray.
Additionally...
First, all teachers who do not hold to a literal offspring of God and Satan (i.e., the serpent seed doctrine), are considered by Murray as “nothing but a bunch of self‐righteous hypocrites blinded by what sounds good to men’s ears.” (Tape #436)
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I guess I didn't understand, He has books, cd's, DVD's that you can order and read, watch and listen to. as well as videos teaching how to check him out,
There is probably a lifetime of stuff.
Maybe you could be more specific about what you are interested in.
As I said - NT authors (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, Jude etc), apostolic fathers (Polycarp, Ignatius, Barnabas etc), church fathers (Augustin, Ireneus, Origenes, Eusebius etc.), reformers (Luther, Calvin, Hus, Zwingli etc), creeds (apostolic, nicene, athanasian etc), catechisms (westminster, helvetic, lutheran, orthodox, RCC etc.)
You just gave me a website of somebody I have never heard of. I am asking if you can show that these ideas you are teaching are or were spread in church before this man came and made a website.
In other words, if you can prove historicity and significant church acceptance of your teachings.