God doesnt have any "obligation" but He still does..He is still faithful to us even when we arent faithful to Him..question..how many of US abide by beinf faithful ALL the time to God..giving him the FIRST of everything in our lives..time..money..energy..love..etc..how often does "life get in the way" and whoops..there goes prayer and devotions..or an nexpected bill come up and whoops..there goes my tithe and offering etc? IVE been guilty of that but God remains faithful to me..even when i sin.God doesnt like it..but Hes no less faithful..
OSAS= House Built on Sand
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You need to distinguish between failing as a Christian (retaining your belief in spite of your failings) with not being a Christian at all anymore and walking away from trust in Christ for forgiveness of sin. Big difference. God is faithful to the weak, but still believing Christian. He denies the (ex) Christian who doesn't even want to believe and trust in him anymore. See the difference?
I would think this particular verse would be governed by its context, which, when we look at verse 12, it says, "If any brother have an unpersuaded [G571 - apistos] wife..." (that is, she is not a believer). If SHE leaves him... [same for if the unbelieving husband leaves the "sister" (the wife, being IN Christ)]
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If 'once saved always saved' makes you live like your sin/believing does not matter to whether or not you're going to be saved when Jesus comes back you have built your house on the sand. The reference to sand comes from Matthew 7...
23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
24“Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25“And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.26“Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27“The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.” - Matthew 7:23-27
If a person thinks 'once saved always saved' is true and that it means they don't have to do anything in their salvation they have built their house on the sand, and when the storms of the Judgment come they will be swept away. The house built on the rock (the person who does the will of God through an active 'living' faith) is the one who will survive.
23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
24“Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25“And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.26“Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27“The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.” - Matthew 7:23-27
If a person thinks 'once saved always saved' is true and that it means they don't have to do anything in their salvation they have built their house on the sand, and when the storms of the Judgment come they will be swept away. The house built on the rock (the person who does the will of God through an active 'living' faith) is the one who will survive.
Story of prodigal son..y friend..who do you think the "father" is in the parable...? And what do you think its all about?
Gods death and resurrection is ENOUGH of a sacrifice for me to keep my salvation..again..as in many times in other threads..works doesnt gain our salvation..as works (or lavk of) wont have us lose our salvation. There is no sin thats too great for God not to forgive and tell us we arent part of Him anymore. That totally contradicts the whole plan of salvation...and salvation is a way God created..through Jesus..that we could be restored back to God himself as was intended before the sin n the garden of Eden.
Gods death and resurrection is ENOUGH of a sacrifice for me to keep my salvation..again..as in many times in other threads..works doesnt gain our salvation..as works (or lavk of) wont have us lose our salvation. There is no sin thats too great for God not to forgive and tell us we arent part of Him anymore. That totally contradicts the whole plan of salvation...and salvation is a way God created..through Jesus..that we could be restored back to God himself as was intended before the sin n the garden of Eden.
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To correlate it to your use of the analogy of husband and wife, the believer who leaves does so because they have become an unbeliever. God has no continuing obligation to the (ex) believer who has chosen to not believe anymore. But he will continue to be faithful as a husband to even the worst, but still believing, believer.
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The Prodigal son left the Father. That doesn't that line up with 'once saved always saved' doctrine that claims that 1 John 2:10 says true believers never leave, or else they were never true believers to begin with. So the Prodigal son can not be used to show that once you are saved you are always saved.
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And because the condition of your salvation was 'believing', not works, you can lose your salvation by not believing anymore.
I'm simply using the same logic that people use when they say that since salvation was not by works you can not lose it by not doing works.
See, people get into doctrinal trouble when they conclude that since salvation is not earned by works then salvation is by nothing at all, and so you can't lose it. But justification/salvation is not by nothing at all. It is through believing. You have to keep on believing to keep on being saved, just as you would have to keep on working to keep on being saved if salvation was by works.
I'm simply using the same logic that people use when they say that since salvation was not by works you can not lose it by not doing works.
See, people get into doctrinal trouble when they conclude that since salvation is not earned by works then salvation is by nothing at all, and so you can't lose it. But justification/salvation is not by nothing at all. It is through believing. You have to keep on believing to keep on being saved, just as you would have to keep on working to keep on being saved if salvation was by works.
Are you just "correlating" with your natural mind, or actually looking to the text? Verses 10-11 speak of what "believers" are to do. Then he addresses what a believer is to do in the event that their spouse (who is not a believer) leaves them. Let them depart. A "brother" or "sister" is not under bondage in such cases...
Brother,
Claiming the 99 sheep of His who are just, are actually the pharisee’s and scribes, is the point that I’m refuting.
The point I am making is His sheep who hear His voice and follow Him are just and will receive eternal life.
His sheep who wander away from Him and become lost are sinners that need to repent in order to be reconciled to Him and be just; declared as righteous.
JPT
Claiming the 99 sheep of His who are just, are actually the pharisee’s and scribes, is the point that I’m refuting.
The point I am making is His sheep who hear His voice and follow Him are just and will receive eternal life.
His sheep who wander away from Him and become lost are sinners that need to repent in order to be reconciled to Him and be just; declared as righteous.
JPT
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Prodigal son..the FATHER is God..the wayward son and the faithful son (mankind)..the wayward sin..we as humans want everything God can give us n then more. (Talents..blessings..etc) but squander it..faithful son..is true to his Father (God)..abiding by the Bible.giving to the poor..being a good steward etc..what happened? the Fatget (God) watched and waited for his son to come home...and WELCOMED him with open arms when he did and threw a party..and repromanded the faithful son for failing to see the signifivance of a watward son coming back to the fellowship with God his Father..