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Ha Ha...far from secret, but good try!!
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Ha Ha...far from secret, but good try!!
There are search engines, available to all, available on this site.
Ha Ha...far from secret, but good try!!
Why should I have to go looking for something I don't know what to look for? Why can't you support the statement you made by explaining what you meant? Is it because you don't really understand what you believe?
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UnderGrace
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Hardly.
Okay okay I will post it for you, but first I have to cut the grass.
Again you prove that you have no concept of saving faith and or the hope that comes from saving faith.....nor do you understand all of the scripture in context that sets for the absolute biblical principle of eternal security....nor the perfect tense Greek verb.....nor the grammatical composition of....
In the grace you are <--position
Having been saved out of faith <--the means
And that NOT OF YOURSELF <--NOT THE SOURCE OR THE MEANS
It Is the GIFT OF GOD<--The source of the faith
and NOT OF WORKS LEST Ralph should boast
You can forget it Ralph, your view is false...Christ is the SOURCE of the FAITH that saves a man ETERNALLY...
Christ begins it
Christ fiinshes it
Christ COMPLETES IT
The Jesus you peddle is not the Jesus mentioned above...
Your Jesus fails
He does not, nor cannot finish it
He does not, nor cannot complete it
That is not the Jesus of the bible, but rather a fraud religionist Jesus
great
does He not do the same thing He's instructing us to do -- and do it infinitely more and infinitely better?
No.
He has done all His part.
He is now seated at the right hand of God.
He has given us His Spirit to do the works He did.
JPT
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Are His disciples present?
He speaks to the unsaved in parables in the presence of His disciples.
Nothing will change the principles He taught.
His sheep can in deed become lost.
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Yes, faith--the ability to know something is true that you can't see--is a gift from God. It is because of that gift of 'knowing' that we can then place our trust in Christ and be justified/saved. Nobody is arguing that faith (the ability to believe something is true) is from ourselves. The believing/trusting that you do after God gives you the ability, the faith, to know something is true is what YOU do. Not Jesus, not the Father, not your mom, YOU do the believing that accesses the grace of God that saves. And last time I checked believing is not a work of the damnable works gospel that can not justify.
I'm amazed that pastors like you don't know these fundamental milk knowledge truths of the Bible.
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As usual, you have no chapter or verse to show me that believing is a work that earns our salvation and which we can boast in.
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Just one more example of how the complete content of scripture shows your false doctrine for what it is.
Jesus did not say that he will absolutely with certainty find the lost sheep and bring him back. You can't ignore some parts of what he said about the parable of the sheep and only acknowledge part of it to form your erroneous, unrightly divided from the word of God doctrine about Jesus always finding the sheep.
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He's afraid to answer my question about if Jesus does his believing for him. EG just put me on ignore instead of answering it.That is not what he wrote about faith at all.
Seriously wrong on the last line
Dcon most certainly is saying that me believing to stay saved is me trying to earn my own salvation by works.
Continue to turn a blind eye to what is right in front of your eyes. That's exactly what the pharisees and scribes did.
In Luke 16, Jesus addresses His disciples. And when He finishes with the three parables of Luke 15 (addressed specifically to the pharisees and scribes who murmured) and the 1 parable of Luke 16 (addressed specifically to His disciples), He sums up all that He spoke to all present (the pharisees and scribes, the publicans and sinners, the disciples):
Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye [pharisees and scribes]I] are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.[/I]
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You are saved through faith only if you then place your trust in Christ after learning, through the gift of faith, that Jesus is the Christ, and then keep trusting in that.
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If you keep trusting in him to do that.
Stop trusting in him to do all that and he stops doing all that for you. Whoever denies him will be denied by him.
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So God gives us the belief to be saved and then on top of that the person has to trust in the belief that God has given?
What believing is there to do if God provides the belief, you cannot have it both ways.
I would suggest you follow Calvin's model it works much better if you are of the mind that God gives you the belief.
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...for unbelievers and ex-believers. Yes, for those he will can not and will not finish nor complete it.
You have to continue to believe to have the continuing ministry of Jesus applied to you.
No. Just another example of you going beyond the context of Luke 15, bringing in what Jesus said in a completely unrelated circumstance because He used a similar parable.
Who are you to mash the context of one parable with the context of another and then claim Aha! Here is what God meant when He said this here (Luke 15). He really meant what He said here (Matt 18) because it has to be questionable whether He finds His lost sheep in order for me (Ralph) to convince everyone we can lose salvation (when salvation is not the issue in Luke 15).
He most certainly did in Luke 15. But you sweep that under the carpet so you can continue on your soapbox.Ralph said:
I don't ignore anything.Ralph said:
If anyone is doing anything to manipulate Scripture it is you who continues to mash up contexts in order to "form your erroneous, unrightely divided from the word of God doctrine".