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This is all true. What it does not address is that even the born-again believer who has the Holy Spirit within can still fall into using logical fallacies. The avoidance of their use is not guaranteed. We don't automatically know how to think soundly when we become Christians. 
I disagree... completely. Obedience to the word of God is, unfortunately, no guarantee of sound logical thinking. Because the Bible has verses stating, "we have the mind of Christ" and "the Spirit of power, love, and a sound mind", many Christians think that therefore their reasoning is always sound. It makes convincing such people of their poor reasoning very difficult, as this thread demonstrates.
Further, people who are not Christians can think clearly and logically, avoiding the use of fallacies. I would suggest that logic has much in common with mathematics, which is "neutral" spiritually. We may have different levels of innate facility with numbers, but we must all be taught basic arithmetical principles. So it is with logic, of which fallacies are a component (actually, they are the antithesis of logic). Most people are simply never taught.
Further, people who are not Christians can think clearly and logically, avoiding the use of fallacies. I would suggest that logic has much in common with mathematics, which is "neutral" spiritually. We may have different levels of innate facility with numbers, but we must all be taught basic arithmetical principles. So it is with logic, of which fallacies are a component (actually, they are the antithesis of logic). Most people are simply never taught.
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I would think that some people that read the bible can get many things that do have nothing to with a relationship with Christ. Like what they call sign gifts as something they say confirms the Holy Spirit is filling them . (never full) when looking at the foundation of tongues as prophecy of God in Isiah 28 . The Holy Spirit replied with mocking\stammering lips to those who mocked scripture refusing to hear the word of God making it to no effect through the traditions of men
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people, To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. Isaiah 28:11-12
Tongues, God brining his word as prophecy in other languages other than Hebrew alone is against those who do not compare scripture to scripture as a proper circular reasoning. Rather than confirming belief it confirm un belief (no faith as a law) The apostate Jews through the oral tradition of men (false circular reasoning) ,as the philosophies of men made the word of God as it is written without effect by seeking after signs as false or lying wonders,
I would think more of "curcular Reasoning" Is within "circle of Context", Like a laws not subject to change neither is the word of God as His perfect law.
Interesting article in Answers to Genesis
https://answersingenesis.org/apologetics/circular-reasoning/
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people, To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. Isaiah 28:11-12
Tongues, God brining his word as prophecy in other languages other than Hebrew alone is against those who do not compare scripture to scripture as a proper circular reasoning. Rather than confirming belief it confirm un belief (no faith as a law) The apostate Jews through the oral tradition of men (false circular reasoning) ,as the philosophies of men made the word of God as it is written without effect by seeking after signs as false or lying wonders,
I would think more of "curcular Reasoning" Is within "circle of Context", Like a laws not subject to change neither is the word of God as His perfect law.
Interesting article in Answers to Genesis
https://answersingenesis.org/apologetics/circular-reasoning/
I disagree... completely. Obedience to the word of God is, unfortunately, no guarantee of sound logical thinking. Because the Bible has verses stating, "we have the mind of Christ" and "the Spirit of power, love, and a sound mind", many Christians think that therefore their reasoning is always sound. It makes convincing such people of their poor reasoning very difficult, as this thread demonstrates.
Further, people who are not Christians can think clearly and logically, avoiding the use of fallacies. I would suggest that logic has much in common with mathematics, which is "neutral" spiritually. We may have different levels of innate facility with numbers, but we must all be taught basic arithmetical principles. So it is with logic, of which fallacies are a component (actually, they are the antithesis of logic). Most people are simply never taught.
Further, people who are not Christians can think clearly and logically, avoiding the use of fallacies. I would suggest that logic has much in common with mathematics, which is "neutral" spiritually. We may have different levels of innate facility with numbers, but we must all be taught basic arithmetical principles. So it is with logic, of which fallacies are a component (actually, they are the antithesis of logic). Most people are simply never taught.
We are informed that we do not know Christ after the things seen, as rudiments of this world, after the wisdom of this world as oral traditions vain philosophies of men. That would make up a false bases for circular reasoning.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
We rather reason by the law of faith (the unseen eternal) the faith of Christ that works in us to both will and preform His good pleasure as a imputed righteousness (not of our own selves)
Whenever the Son of man Jesus was confronted with no faith in Christ because they were not mixing faith in what they did see or hear he would say to them. O ye of little faith, which recognized as born again believers they did have the faith that comes from hearing God But like in Galatians 3 when he called them foolish they trusted in the works of their own flesh .
Matthew 8:26 And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.
While in mark it is recorded that he how is it that ye have no faith?
And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm. And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith? And they feared exceedingly, and said one to another, What manner of man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him? Mark 4:39-41
The unbeliever is reckoned as haveing "no faith"(Deuteronomy 32:20) when it comes to the unseen spiritual wisdom of God . They must look to the rudiments of this world (walk by sight) after the oral traditions as philosophy the wisdom of this world (a false circular reasoning authority.)
Mathew 16 faults them for not reasoning according to the word of God .the true source of circular reasoning. they were looking to their own selves as a false circular reasoning authority. Just as they did in Luke 9 when the spiritual meaning in a parable was hid .This is with Jesus standing right in front of them they reasoned after the philosophies of men and played the game. "Who is the Greatest". In the end of the matter Jesus rebuked them and said :you know not what manner of spirit you are of . The wrong manner of circular reasoning.
Matthew 16:8 Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why" reason ye among yourselves", because ye have brought no bread?
The fool has said there is not God in their hearts. God called them foolish not fools.
Psalm 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Because only God can see into the heart of man and know what he needs before we ask , He alone calls men fools . If we do we put ourselves in danger.
Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
The Galatians Christian were foolish in their thinking denying that if God begun the good work of faith in them that he would finish it to the end . Christian can act foolish but never become fools.
It would be foolish for a Christian to belive J the Spirit of Christ the holy Spirit of God begins the god works of salvation and not finish it to the end as we are informed in Philippians 1:6. God will not forget the good works we have offered toward his name
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Galatians 3:1-5
Psalm 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Because only God can see into the heart of man and know what he needs before we ask , He alone calls men fools . If we do we put ourselves in danger.
Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
The Galatians Christian were foolish in their thinking denying that if God begun the good work of faith in them that he would finish it to the end . Christian can act foolish but never become fools.
It would be foolish for a Christian to belive J the Spirit of Christ the holy Spirit of God begins the god works of salvation and not finish it to the end as we are informed in Philippians 1:6. God will not forget the good works we have offered toward his name
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Galatians 3:1-5
I disagree... completely. Obedience to the word of God is, unfortunately, no guarantee of sound logical thinking. Because the Bible has verses stating, "we have the mind of Christ" and "the Spirit of power, love, and a sound mind", many Christians think that therefore their reasoning is always sound. It makes convincing such people of their poor reasoning very difficult, as this thread demonstrates.
Further, people who are not Christians can think clearly and logically, avoiding the use of fallacies. I would suggest that logic has much in common with mathematics, which is "neutral" spiritually. We may have different levels of innate facility with numbers, but we must all be taught basic arithmetical principles. So it is with logic, of which fallacies are a component (actually, they are the antithesis of logic). Most people are simply never taught.
Further, people who are not Christians can think clearly and logically, avoiding the use of fallacies. I would suggest that logic has much in common with mathematics, which is "neutral" spiritually. We may have different levels of innate facility with numbers, but we must all be taught basic arithmetical principles. So it is with logic, of which fallacies are a component (actually, they are the antithesis of logic). Most people are simply never taught.
Agreed.
The problem I see frequently is that some people who are Christians assume that their position is automatically sound, and that when someone points out a flaw in their reasoning (a lack of skill in using logic), they counter with "logic is of man's thinking" instead of considering the meat of the challenge. Further, such people normally believe that the one challenging them must be "less of a Christian" (if Christian at all) if they are challenging Scripture. Typically, it is not Scripture which is being challenged, but the person's understanding or interpretation of it.
The apologist Jason Lisle is a good example of a Christian who upholds sound use of logic. In his words, sound logic is an expression of God Himself. Laws of logic are like laws of mathematics; they are not invented but discovered. In that sense, they are part of God's creation, consistent with Himself and His character.
The problem I see frequently is that some people who are Christians assume that their position is automatically sound, and that when someone points out a flaw in their reasoning (a lack of skill in using logic), they counter with "logic is of man's thinking" instead of considering the meat of the challenge. Further, such people normally believe that the one challenging them must be "less of a Christian" (if Christian at all) if they are challenging Scripture. Typically, it is not Scripture which is being challenged, but the person's understanding or interpretation of it.
The apologist Jason Lisle is a good example of a Christian who upholds sound use of logic. In his words, sound logic is an expression of God Himself. Laws of logic are like laws of mathematics; they are not invented but discovered. In that sense, they are part of God's creation, consistent with Himself and His character.
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Yes the reasoning skills of men as private interpretations of God's interpretation or revelation as personal commentaries are never the same source of faith as the law of God, as it is written'
Like the example below as a law of the Catholic fathers as commandments of men that provide a false zeal for knowing God. (Acts 22:2-4 )
Law of the Catholic fathers..."....80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal." Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age".
God has designed mysteries to be made know through the parables as hidden manna spoken of in Revelation. Hiding the spiritual meaning from those who seek after signs as lying wonders in whom Christ called a evil generation
One divine well-spring (fresh water ) James informs us the at gospel as fresh water never mixes with salt water .Salt it used to indicate the judgement of God. Again fresh water the gospel
James 3:12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh
Like the example below as a law of the Catholic fathers as commandments of men that provide a false zeal for knowing God. (Acts 22:2-4 )
Law of the Catholic fathers..."....80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal." Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age".
God has designed mysteries to be made know through the parables as hidden manna spoken of in Revelation. Hiding the spiritual meaning from those who seek after signs as lying wonders in whom Christ called a evil generation
One divine well-spring (fresh water ) James informs us the at gospel as fresh water never mixes with salt water .Salt it used to indicate the judgement of God. Again fresh water the gospel
James 3:12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh
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First, I have addressed the "private interpretations" error repeatedly. 1 Peter 2:20 is NOT about privately interpreting Scripture.
Second, reasoning skills are completely distinct from understanding Scripture. Non-Christians can and do use reasoning skills, the same skills that Christians can and should use.
Third, I agree, the right understanding of spiritual things is available only to Christians by the Holy Spirit.
Fourth, the issue of "seeking signs as lying wonders" has been repeatedly addressed as well. You are off-base on this issue. Nobody here is advocating the "seeking of signs", so your repeated bleating about it is quite unnecessary.
Second, reasoning skills are completely distinct from understanding Scripture. Non-Christians can and do use reasoning skills, the same skills that Christians can and should use.
Third, I agree, the right understanding of spiritual things is available only to Christians by the Holy Spirit.
Fourth, the issue of "seeking signs as lying wonders" has been repeatedly addressed as well. You are off-base on this issue. Nobody here is advocating the "seeking of signs", so your repeated bleating about it is quite unnecessary.
The reference was 2 Peter 1:20.
The sure word is God's interpretation or revelation called prophecy. Prophecy does not come by mans private interpretation as oral tradition of men. Every man has personal commentary of what they think the Holy Spirit is saying that could vary like fingerprints
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.2 Peter 1:20
Its another reason why there must be heresies as men's opinions among us. God word, prophecy is law. The word heresy is the same word as sects or denominations. A group of men that carry the same kind of opinion.
For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.1Corinthians 11:18-20
The kingdom of God is not of this world or we would not need denominations .God's design .Most likely to prevent men killing each other. Like the Pharisees with Sadducees during the first century refomation, or Roman Catholic with the Orthodox sects who set aside there differences during the fifteenth century reformation.
There must be a division between the things of God and those of men .It's where the anti-christ (Satan) gets his foot in the door.
If we trusted Peter's private interpretation as a oral tradition of men we would in the end blaspheme the Holy name by which we are called. Peter was forgiven, but because the Son of man is no longer here we would be blaspheming the Holy Spirit, not forgivable
Peter's private interpretation below
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the "things that be of God", but "those that be of men" Mathew 16:22-23
The sure word is God's interpretation or revelation called prophecy. Prophecy does not come by mans private interpretation as oral tradition of men. Every man has personal commentary of what they think the Holy Spirit is saying that could vary like fingerprints
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.2 Peter 1:20
Its another reason why there must be heresies as men's opinions among us. God word, prophecy is law. The word heresy is the same word as sects or denominations. A group of men that carry the same kind of opinion.
For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.1Corinthians 11:18-20
The kingdom of God is not of this world or we would not need denominations .God's design .Most likely to prevent men killing each other. Like the Pharisees with Sadducees during the first century refomation, or Roman Catholic with the Orthodox sects who set aside there differences during the fifteenth century reformation.
There must be a division between the things of God and those of men .It's where the anti-christ (Satan) gets his foot in the door.
If we trusted Peter's private interpretation as a oral tradition of men we would in the end blaspheme the Holy name by which we are called. Peter was forgiven, but because the Son of man is no longer here we would be blaspheming the Holy Spirit, not forgivable
Peter's private interpretation below
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the "things that be of God", but "those that be of men" Mathew 16:22-23