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theanointedsinner

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i pray God uses your church to help this man become our new brother

that would make for a lovely testimony and a witness of great value

:D
sounds already like hes on the right track.....

(seeking to know Jesus)
Mr. Mcgee would you kindly list out the process of how one can get saved? and assurance as well?
 
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So every time a person does not do a good work or produce bad fruit on occasion has to repent to be allowed back into the fold in order to remain saved?
Funny thing...I never even implied that garbage and he states he agrees with me....not!
 
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theanointedsinner

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No you don't agree with me because the bible does not teach the drivel you peddle....salvation is not losable and I never said nor implied the false bolded part of your quote...
having the ignore button, I was bewildered as to who you are talking to, lol

walk by faith, not by sight ;)
 

BillG

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i pray God uses your church to help this man become our new brother

that would make for a lovely testimony and a witness of great value

:D
sounds already like hes on the right track.....

(seeking to know Jesus)
Amen my brother.

A church open to all can reach all.
It can preach the true Gospel.
 

VCO

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I agree with you that saved people can produce bad fruit on occasion, and can repent and come back to the fold, and still remain saved.

So what types of works and fruits will saved people ALL POSSESS? This is a serious question, not trolling.
The same WORKS that are DONE for the WRONG REASON, are WORTHLESS TO GOD. It is all about MOTIVE for those works that makes it important to GOD. That MOTIVE HAS TO BE LOVE, which validates that GOD's LOVE dwells in you. So your question itself is FLAWED.

Only SAVED PEOPLE will do good works out of sincere LOVE that GOD HIMSELF PUT IN YOUR HEART.

WRONG MOTIVES:

To manipulate GOD into giving you Salvation, or some other Favor that you think GOD owes you.

To look good to your buddies or others you want to impress how godly you are.

To get people to vote for you during an election in the Church.

Out of a sense of DUTY or OBLIGATION to GOD.

ETC.

The ONLY PURE MOTIVE to do any good works, is BECAUSE YOU LOVE THE LORD, and LOVE OTHERS. Any other MOTIVE is worthless to GOD.

The Absolute WORST motive that I ever saw, was in a Church when I was searching for a Bible Teaching Church, and they have a GUEST Missionary from Africa give the Sermon. In his Closing remarks of his sermon, he actually said, "The Reason I serve the LORD, is I want the biggest, fanciest Manson on the Street of GOLD, in Heaven. What is your reason?" MY MOUTH FELL OPEN. That was the worst reason that I have ever heard of. Had he said it earlier in his sermon, I would have walked out. Needless to say, I never returned to that Church.

The Reason I serve the LORD, is because I LOVE HIM, and HE SAVED ME, even though I do not deserve any of it.
 
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theanointedsinner

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how to gain the capability of feeling contriteness for one's sins?
 

VCO

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What stops nominal Christians from becoming genuine Christians, it makes no sense to me.

MOST people want a Savior, but FEW WANT A LORD TO RULE OVER THEIR LIVES. They are busy trying to be lord of their own lives.
 
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theanointedsinner

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MOST people want a Savior, but FEW WANT A LORD TO RULE OVER THEIR LIVES. They are busy trying to be lord of their own lives.
please explain how the heart humbled itself to the point of wanting Jesus to be the Lord to rule one's life
 

VCO

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When you say that the true eternally saved believer has already done the work of the Heavenly Father in their act of faith/belief into the FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST. It sounds like our works are done as soon as we believe. It sounds like the finished work of Christ is already done. So if the works is finished and done, it seems like nothing is left to do in order to have EL. Is that what you are saying? If not set me straight?

Do you even understand that we serve HIM, purely because we LOVE HIM ? ? ?
 
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NoNameMcgee

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keep in brief, but state the most important point, or start a new thread in the testimony section

hmm, decisions, decisions
i was in unbelief

God called

i tried to remain in unbelief but was too scared to continue lying to myself

i started seeking Jesus

i started wanting to walk as He walked ... even resting my assurance in my performance

1 sin = im a horrible failure who will end up in hell unless i can reclaim salvation in time

the false doctrine i had ended up falling into got questioned

i layed everything at Gods feet and begged Him to show me how i can be saved and know im saved


God revealed to me salvation is a gift by grace through faith (genuine faith)

my assurance now comes from His promise

not my walk
 
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NoNameMcgee

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TLDR for you thean = the process of being saved



1. Grace of God.
2. genuine Faith in Jesus as our Lord and savior.



and how can we get assurance?


Gods promises
 
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theanointedsinner

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i was in unbelief

God called

i tried to remain in unbelief but was too scared to continue lying to myself

i started seeking Jesus

i started wanting to walk as He walked ... even resting my assurance in my performance

1 sin = im a horrible failure who will end up in hell unless i can reclaim salvation in time

the false doctrine i had ended up falling into got questioned

i layed everything at Gods feet and begged Him to show me how i can be saved and know im saved


God revealed to me salvation is a gift by grace through faith (genuine faith)

my assurance now comes from His promise

not my walk
i layed everything at Gods feet <-- thank you for shorten this to it's necessities, but how did you come to the point of laying everything to God?
 
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i was in unbelief

God called

i tried to remain in unbelief but was too scared to continue lying to myself

i started seeking Jesus

i started wanting to walk as He walked ... even resting my assurance in my performance

1 sin = im a horrible failure who will end up in hell unless i can reclaim salvation in time

the false doctrine i had ended up falling into got questioned

i layed everything at Gods feet and begged Him to show me how i can be saved and know im saved


God revealed to me salvation is a gift by grace through faith (genuine faith)

my assurance now comes from His promise

not my walk
Amen.....bro
 
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NoNameMcgee

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i layed everything at Gods feet <-- thank you for shorten this to it's necessities, but how did you come to the point of laying everything to God?
i examined myself

i had doubt

i didnt care about being correct
or incorrect

i wanted whatever truth GOD provided

if it is that i need to rest salvation on my own shoulders

or if it is that salvation is truely a gift without repentance

i made it brief

i just described 5 years of study sometimes 18 hours a day
followed by
many sleepless nights filled with prayer and tears from my heart and genuine hope that God would show me what HE wanted me to see

but ultimately

God brought me to that point

He called

He provided growth

i stumbled

He provided reproof

i begged for truth

He provided growth



i wouldnt have even cared to seek Him in the first place if He didnt draw me first
 

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OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES THAT PROMOTES DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD AND REJECTS AND NULLIFIES GOD'S WORDS AND COMMANDS. (mark 7:6-13, Isaiah 5:20-24)



SO DO NOT LET ANYONE DECEIVE YOU...FOR THE WRATH OF GOD COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT.(Ephesians 5:6)



OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO IS THE SOURCE OF ETERNAL LIFE FOR THOSE WHO OBEY HIM (Hebrews 5:8-9) SAID:



Revelation 3:1-3 To the Church in Sardis “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR DEEDS COMPLETE in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have RECEIVED and HEARD ; OBEY IT and REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.



JESUS HAVE NOT FOUND THEIR DEEDS "COMPLETE" IN THE EYES OF GOD.



THEN HE TOLD THEM TO "OBEY" WHAT THEY RECEIVED AND HEARD AND TO REPENT.



JESUS WAS SPEAKING HERE TO ONE OF THE SEVEN CHURCHES AND WE KNOW THAT THE "CHURCH" IS THE BODY OF CHRIST WHOM HE WILL SAVE. (eph 5:23)



WHY WILL HE SAY THAT THEIR DEEDS ARE NOT COMPLETE IF WORKS ARE NOT NECESSARY FOR SALVATION AND THAT "FAITH ALONE" SAVES?



WHY WOULD JESUS COMMAND THEM TO OBEY AND REPENT IF IT
IS NO LONGER NECESSARY SINCE THEY ARE SAVED ETERNALLY? (OSAS)



IS JESUS IGNORANT OF THIS DOCTRINE OR IS IT CONTRARY TO HIS TEACHINGS AND COMMANDS AND THEREFORE ARE JUST FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE THAT NULLIFIES GOD'S WORDS?



JESUS AND HIS FATHER REQUIRE SOME WORKS TO BE COMPLETED AND ASKED FOR OBEDIENCE AND REPENTANCE.



Romans 8:4 in order that the righteous REQUIREMENTS of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.



Malachi 3:14 “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by CARRYING OUT HIS REQUIREMENTS and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty?



GOD REQUIRES OBEDIENCE AND REPENTANCE IN OUR PART OTHERWISE HIS WRATH WILL COME ON THOSE WHO ARE "DISOBEDIENT".(eph 5:6 )



Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?



John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.



2 John 1:6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.



DO NOT BE DECEIVED... GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED...WE REAP WHAT WE SOW...(Galatians 6:7-10)



NOW IF FAITH ALONE SAVES AND ONCE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS SAVED, DOES THIS PASSAGE BELOW CONTRADICT THESE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE OR DO YOU REJECT IT OR TWIST IT TO MEAN SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD FIT YOUR DOCTRINE?



Matthew 24:9-14 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time MANY WILL TURN AWAY FROM THE FAITH and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, THE LOVE OF MOST WILL GROW COLD, but HE WHO STANDS FIRM TO THE END WILL BE SAVED . And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.



MANY WHO HAS FAITH WILL TURN AWAY FROM THEIR FAITH.



ARE THEY STILL SAVED AFTER TURNING AWAY FROM THEIR FAITH(ALONE)?



DO YOU MOCK GOD AND REJECT THESE VERSES BELOW?



Galatians 6:7-10 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature WILL REAP DESTRUCTION; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit WILL REAP ETERNAL LIFE. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.



James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD..

"LET GOD BE TRUE..." (Romans 3:3-4)
 

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DID JESUS STOP WORKING AFTER HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS (CHRIST’S FINISHED WORK ON THE CROSS)?


WHAT WORK WAS FINISHED ON THE CROSS?


DID CHRIST FINISH HIS WORKS OF SALVATION BY DYING ON THE CROSS?


John 5:17 Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.”


...the reason the son of man appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. (1 john 3:8)




John 14:12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.


Luke 24:44-49 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”




IS SALVATION “VOID OF WORKS” OR “ NOT BY WORKS (OF OURSELVES)?


ARE SERVANTS CONSIDERED WORKERS?


ARE PREACHERS,TEACHERS, EVANGELISTS, PASTORS, MINISTERS, ADMINISTRATORS ETC. CONSIDERED SERVANTS AND WORKERS OF GOD?

WHAT IF THEY ONLY HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS, THEN LOOK DOWN ON THE OTHER PARTS OF THE BODY IN HYPOCRISY AS IF THEY'RE THE ONLY LEGITIMATE PART OF IT? WILL THAT FAITH SAVE THEM?( 1 corinthians chapter 12)


WE ARE GOD’S FELLOW WORKERS(1 cor 3:9)

SENT OUT TO HARVEST WHAT WE HAVE NOT WORKED FOR...THE CROP FOR ETERNAL LIFE.


Luke 10:2 He told them, “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field.


John 4:34-38 “My food,” said Jesus, “is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work. Do you not say, ‘Four months more and then the harvest’? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest. EVEN NOW the reaper draws his wages, EVEN NOW HE HARVESTS THE CROP FOR ETERNAL LIFE, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad TOGETHER. Thus the saying ‘One sows and another reaps’ I SENT YOU TO REAP WHAT YOU HAVE NOT WORKED FOR. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labor.”


ARE THERE WORKS NEEDED TO BE DONE FOR SALVATION?


WE ARE TO SERVE IN THE WORKS OF THE GOSPEL WHICH IS THE GOSPEL OF OUR SALVATION.


1 Thessalonians 3:2,5 We sent Timothy, who is our brother and GOD’S FELLOW WORKER in SPREADING THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST, to strengthen and encourage you in your faith, For this reason, when I could stand it no longer, I sent to find out about your faith. I was afraid that in some way the tempter might have tempted you and our efforts might have been USELESS.


Philippians 2:22 But you know that Timothy has proved himself, because as a son with his father he has SERVED WITH ME in the WORK OF THE GOSPEL.


Ephesians 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, THE GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,


John 7:18 HE WHO SPEAKS ON HIS OWN does so to gain honor for himself, but HE WHO WORKS FOR THE HONOR OF THE ONE WHO SENT HIM IS A MAN OF TRUTH; there is nothing false about him.


John 9:4-5 As long as it is day, “WE” MUST DO THE WORK OF HIM WHO SENT ME. Night is coming, when no one can work. While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”


1 Corinthians 15:58 Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.


BUT WE ARE NOT WORKING FOR OUR OWN SALVATION BUT FOR THE CHURCH WHICH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST OF WHOM HE IS THE SAVIOR (eph 5:23),

WHERE HE PUTS THOSE THAT ARE BEING SAVED AND ARE MADE PARTS OF HIS BODY FOR WORKS OF SERVICE.


Ephesians 4:11-13 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, TO PREPARE GOD’S PEOPLE FOR WORKS OF SERVICE, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.


1 Corinthians 12:28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.


Romans 12:4-8 Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man’s gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his faith. If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach; if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully.


1 Corinthians 11:3 Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.


THE TRUE MESSAGE OF THE CROSS IS SELFLESS LOVE.


GOD GAVE US HIS ONLY SON.

JESUS GAVE HIS LIFE FOR US.

WE OUGHT TO LAY DOWN OUR LIVES FOR OUR BROTHERS.


1 John 3:16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.


Philippians 2:4 Each of you should look not only to your OWN INTERESTS, but also to the interests of OTHERS.


Philippians 2:21 For everyone looks out for HIS OWN INTERESTS, not those of Jesus Christ.


Colossians 3:12-17 Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God. And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.


Galatians 6:2,10 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.


Matthew 16:24-28 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, HE MUST DENY HIMSELFand take up his cross and follow me. For WHOEVER WANTS TO SAVE HIS LIFE WILL LOSE IT, but whoever loses his life for me will find it. What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done. I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”


2 Timothy 2:14-19 A Workman Approved by God Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against QUARRELING ABOUT WORDS; it is of no value, and ONLY RUINS THOSE WHO LISTEN. Do your best to present yourself to God as one APPROVED, a WORKMAN who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. Avoid godless chatter, because THOSE WHO INDULGE IN IT WILL BECOME MORE AND MORE UNGODLY. Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have WANDERED AWAY FROM THE TRUTH. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and THEY DESTROY THE FAITH OF SOME. Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord MUST TURN AWAY FROM WICKEDNESS.”
 
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NoNameMcgee

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also thean

i came here ... to cc a sinless perfectionist and falsely accused many on the last few pages of this thread


it was these brothers and sisters as well as some others who are no longer with us that God used for the reproof i mentioned before