Speaking in tongues

[CS1]

yeah, it never made sense to me, especially when there are so many scriptures that would lead someone to such a conclusion, its seems like the logical thing to bring these issues up and discuss them, how else you going to learn.

this is the Bible discussion forum . here is the place to start a Thread on a subject concerning the Deity of God . the Godhead , and other threads like this. There has been many of them as i'm sure they will continue .

 

[CS1]

i made a topic way back in the "suggestions" sub forum. even went back every few months and bumped it. not one person in leadership gave a response.

i'm not understnding you. Are you saying you created a thread on "trinity or oneness" and it was removed and you were given no response?

 

[jaybird88]

this is the Bible discussion forum . here is the place to start a Thread on a subject concerning the Deity of God . the Godhead , and other threads like this. There has been many of them as i'm sure they will continue .

in the trinity discussions your only aloud to make post that support the trinity, any post that questions the trinity gets the poster banned. in other words only one side of the argument is permitted.

 

[jaybird88]

i'm not understnding you. Are you saying you created a thread on "trinity or oneness" and it was removed and you were given no response?

i created a thread suggesting we have a controversial sub forum where we can discuss subjects like the trinity. as of right now it is not allowed.

 

[shrume]

in the trinity discussions your only aloud to make post that support the trinity, any post that questions the trinity gets the poster banned. in other words only one side of the argument is permitted.

Oneness people are also allowed to say what they believe. It's people who believe that the Father alone is God who are banned.

 

[CS1]

Oneness people are also allowed to say what they believe. It's people who believe that the Father alone is God who are banned.

again CC is in line with mainline Christianity . I have only seen banned those who have crossed the line. That being said those who support the Concept of the Trinity as i do and maNY OTHERS will never agree with the concept of Oneness . Both have Biblical positions I do hold the understanding that Oneness is a error in understanding, but the word Trinity is not in the bible BUT GODHEAD is. Only pride , and immaturity bring This topic together. it is better not to have it then have people banned. So if the Site Admin removed it , it is because HE knows to well the outcome. Sorry there are other topics

 

[jaybird88]

again CC is in line with mainline Christianity . I have only seen banned those who have crossed the line. That being said those who support the Concept of the Trinity as i do and maNY OTHERS will never agree with the concept of Oneness . Both have Biblical positions I do hold the understanding that Oneness is a error in understanding, but the word Trinity is not in the bible BUT GODHEAD is. Only pride , and immaturity bring This topic together. it is better not to have it then have people banned. So if the Site Admin removed it , it is because HE knows to well the outcome. Sorry there are other topics

mainline Christianity once thought the sun orbited the earth and if someone spoke against it they were burned alive.

 

[jaybird88]

Oneness people are also allowed to say what they believe. It's people who believe that the Father alone is God who are banned.

sounds very biased to me.

 

[notuptome]

mainline Christianity once thought the sun orbited the earth and if someone spoke against it they were burned alive.

Those that speak against the word of God are burned alive eternally.

sounds very biased to me.

Biased toward the truth. Jesus is God. Jehovah is God and the Holy Spirit is God. Not three Gods but one God in three persons. If you deny the deity of Jesus Christ you will find yourself in eternal condemnation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[CS1]

mainline Christianity once thought the sun orbited the earth and if someone spoke against it they were burned alive.

I do not know your point , and I can ensure you that if your foundational truth of the word of God hang on the Sun orbiting the earth over the deity of Christ , there is the issue and the problem. I answered your question if you have any others concerning topics that are possible "banned" topics speak to Admin. this topic is not on the deity of Christ and out or respect of the poster please pm admin or start another thread

Thank you,

 

[jaybird88]

Those that speak against the word of God are burned alive eternally.

i agree we are not to speak against the Most High.
and whats the crime for misrepresenting the Most High? such as those that went out and murdered in His name over doctrines they invented?

Biased toward the truth. Jesus is God. Jehovah is God and the Holy Spirit is God. Not three Gods but one God in three persons. If you deny the deity of Jesus Christ you will find yourself in eternal condemnation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

but the other group says they have the truth? and the other group says the same. so which are we to believe?

 

[jaybird88]

I do not know your point , and I can ensure you that if your foundational truth of the word of God hang on the Sun orbiting the earth over the deity of Christ , there is the issue and the problem. I answered your question if you have any others concerning topics that are possible "banned" topics speak to Admin. this topic is not on the deity of Christ and out or respect of the poster please pm admin or start another thread

Thank you,

the point is just because the majority say its truth does not make it true. how many times did the Jews fall away, and on their way down they probably all told themselves its ok because everyone else is doing the same.
you never answered the question but thats ok, for some reason everyone wants to avoid it, i cant understand why?

 

[RickyZ]

the point is just because the majority say its truth does not make it true. how many times did the Jews fall away, and on their way down they probably all told themselves its ok because everyone else is doing the same.
you never answered the question but thats ok, for some reason everyone wants to avoid it, i cant understand why?

He's not saying don't talk about it, he's saying move it to it's own thread.

 

[notuptome]

i agree we are not to speak against the Most High.
and whats the crime for misrepresenting the Most High? such as those that went out and murdered in His name over doctrines they invented?

Red herring.

but the other group says they have the truth? and the other group says the same. so which are we to believe?

What else would they say? We are heretics and reprobates from the truth? Probably not.

Scripture is the standard by which all things are measured. The Holy Spirit is the guide into the truth for those who know Him.

Bottom line here on CC is that you may not deny the deity of Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[garee]

You still don't understand what circular reasoning is, despite my having given you four references to look it up for yourself.

If you refuse to learn, you only embarrass yourself by misusing the phrase.

Not all circular reasoning is fallacious. Two kinds

I am not embarrassed of the gospel of Christ it is the law or power of God (not seen) unto salvation to everyone that believes Him. Those who have a exclusive faith that comes from hearing God.

You could say the foolish Galatians (no God in their hearts) based their non faith coming from the word of God on fallacious circular reasoning. If we receive the Holy Spirit by the hearing of Christ's faith .He will finish it by the same faith that works in us to both will and do His good pleasure. Round and round we go

Perfect Laws provide valid circular reasoning .Called the "law of faith".

Presuppositional apologetics or systematic theology is the ultimate biblical approach to apologetics. Scripture proves scripture. Whenever the phrase, as it is written is applied it is the true form of circular reasoning.

 

[Dino246]

Not all circular reasoning is fallacious. Two kinds

You haven't provided any evidence for this assertion.

I am not embarrassed of the gospel of Christ it is the law or power of God (not seen) unto salvation to everyone that believes Him. Those who have a exclusive faith that comes from hearing God.

You could say the foolish Galatians (no God in their hearts) based their non faith coming from the word of God on fallacious circular reasoning. If we receive the Holy Spirit by the hearing of Christ's faith .He will finish it by the same faith that works in us to both will and do His good pleasure. Round and round we go

Nowhere does Paul suggest that the "foolish Galatians" did not have God in their hearts. That's more of your eisegesis. The Galatians were misled by people who thought that Gentiles needed to become culturally Jewish to be truly Christian. There was no circular reasoning involved.

Perfect Laws provide valid circular reasoning .Called the "law of faith".

That's hogwash. Circular reasoning has nothing to do with "perfect laws".

Presuppositional apologetics or systematic theology is the ultimate biblical approach to apologetics. Scripture proves scripture. Whenever the phrase, as it is written is applied it is the true form of circular reasoning.

There is only one kind of circular reasoning, and it is always fallacious.

Since you continue to assert otherwise, perhaps you can provide independent sources where the phrase is defined and described in the way you mean it. Until you do, I will continue to believe that you are inventing a definition to avoid looking foolish.

 

[CS1]

You haven't provided any evidence for this assertion.



Nowhere does Paul suggest that the "foolish Galatians" did not have God in their hearts. That's more of your eisegesis. The Galatians were misled by people who thought that Gentiles needed to become culturally Jewish to be truly Christian. There was no circular reasoning involved.



That's hogwash. Circular reasoning has nothing to do with "perfect laws".



There is only one kind of circular reasoning, and it is always fallacious.

Since you continue to assert otherwise, perhaps you can provide independent sources where the phrase is defined and described in the way you mean it. Until you do, I will continue to believe that you are inventing a definition to avoid looking foolish.

I find very intresting the idea of "curcular Reasoning" over "circle of Context" and authorial intent . once you abandon the proper method of Biblical intrepretation you are heading into error:

1. must be born again
2. understand the word of God is inspired and without error
3. Authorial intent what was the author saying, who was he saying it to, what was the time frame he said it in, how did they apply then, and how do we apply it today.
4. Human reasoning from a mind that has not been Born again cannot understand spiritual truth.

those who read the Bible can get many thing from it and not be in a relationship with Christ

1. the Historial narrtitive : real people geographical locations , histroical data
2. a record of historial events

 

[notuptome]

I find very intresting the idea of "curcular Reasoning" over "circle of Context" and authorial intent . once you abandon the proper method of Biblical intrepretation you are heading into error:

1. must be born again
2. understand the word of God is inspired and without error
3. Authorial intent what was the author saying, who was he saying it to, what was the time frame he said it in, how did they apply then, and how do we apply it today.
4. Human reasoning from a mind that has not been Born again cannot understand spiritual truth.

those who read the Bible can get many thing from it and not be in a relationship with Christ

1. the Historial narrtitive : real people geographical locations , histroical data
2. a record of historial events

Wow!

Muslims are well known for circular reasoning. Christians do not rely on circular reasoning but make their argument from scripture.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[jaybird88]

Red herring.

actually it is very relevant. the guy said a doctrine is true based on a group that holds the majority position, i gave an example of the majority position being wrong. unless your suggesting the sun orbits the earth and we should kill anyone that says different.

What else would they say? We are heretics and reprobates from the truth? Probably not.

they will say the exact same thing that your group says.

Scripture is the standard by which all things are measured. The Holy Spirit is the guide into the truth for those who know Him.

not allowed to go to scripture, you get banned for it.

Bottom line here on CC is that you may not deny the deity of Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

umm, yeah?? thats what we been discussing all this time.

 

[notuptome]

actually it is very relevant. the guy said a doctrine is true based on a group that holds the majority position, i gave an example of the majority position being wrong. unless your suggesting the sun orbits the earth and we should kill anyone that says different.

Absurd posts are not relevant.

they will say the exact same thing that your group says.

What does God say?

not allowed to go to scripture, you get banned for it.

Scripture teaches that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.

umm, yeah?? thats what we been discussing all this time.

Seems you have been batting at the air.

For the cause of Christ
Roger