Can no longer separate sex from sin

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Intimacy can exist without sex and romance. That's one reason we have such bleak social conditions. We think sex = intimacy.
Perhaps it can but that is not the best desired outcome. A man and a woman that are attracted to each other and love each other need more than just holding hands. That's just not realistic.
 
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It's known for sure because it is a biblical fact. The purpose for sex is not just the means for having children but for pleasure too because that is the way God designed it. Based on my experience, sex for pleasure is definitely not pointless. God says that the two shall become one flesh? Really, what do you think this means?
The Bible never directly identifies those sons of God. It could just as well be Cain's descendants sleeping with Seth's descendants. The mixing of the impure with the pure as it were. Neither is there any indication of angels being able to have sex. All we know is that they are pure spirit without a body and you can't have sex without a body. And Jesus said we'll be like the angels who do not marry.
 

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Intimacy can exist without sex and romance. That's one reason we have such bleak social conditions. We think sex = intimacy.
what do you think intimacy is? intmacy is getting close in ways you wouldnt with someone else. you throw around sex like.. dont u see that there is a difference in sex with someone u love and just making babies...
I give up. Either God will show you what the real deal is or not. You are hard heded talking like a muslim woman from a harem
 
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God would have not made us able to enjoy it if we shouldnt.Plus the bible is full with examples of pleasant sex.
The angels had nephilim with the woman which started to terrorize and spill blood everywhere. Check it out. Thats how it rose to the point God had to send the flood
The Bible is clear that it was widespread wickedness in general that brought about the flood. I don't know where you're getting this info from but it's not biblical.
 
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what do you think intimacy is? intmacy is getting close in ways you wouldnt with someone else. you throw around sex like.. dont u see that there is a difference in sex with someone u love and just making babies...
I give up. Either God will show you what the real deal is or not. You are hard heded talking like a muslim woman from a harem
Love is an action. Not a feeling. The Bible says so. Which is good. Nothing good happens when we get swayed by our unpredictable emotions. I accept things as they are. Not how I want them to be. Facts don't care about your feelings.
 

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The Bible never directly identifies those sons of God. It could just as well be Cain's descendants sleeping with Seth's descendants. The mixing of the impure with the pure as it were. Neither is there any indication of angels being able to have sex. All we know is that they are pure spirit without a body and you can't have sex without a body. And Jesus said we'll be like the angels who do not marry.
Being like angels is not exactly the same thing as being an angel. Actually, I don't think that what angels actually are as far as their being or appearance or all what they are capable of is not clearly known from scripture. Jesus is both a spirit and physical being and we will be like He is. He mentioned that somewhere. If you had a choice, either you can have sex in heaven or cannot have sex which option would you chose? I know what option I would choose.
 
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Perhaps it can but that is not the best desired outcome. A man and a woman that are attracted to each other and love each other need more than just holding hands. That's just not realistic.
Of course it is. You love your family and friends and God without any physical attraction. In fact, we are not to love our family members in that way.

There 3 types of love. God loves us in the Agape way, which motivated by actions and not feelings. Philos is family/friend love. And Eros is romantic love between a man and a woman. That has usually been described as being the lowest of the 3.

And for good reason. One reason there's so much divorce is because we want to be in a constant state of romantic attraction, which is not possible. Besides, for centuries marriage was a matter of economics rather than being in love.

That's why arranged marriages tend to last longer, 'cause it's not about romance but a conscious decision to do what's best for yourself, your spouse, and your community. Marriage affects all of us.
 
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Being like angels is not exactly the same thing as being an angel. Actually, I don't think that what angels actually are as far as their being or appearance or all what they are capable of is not clearly known from scripture. Jesus is both a spirit and physical being and we will be like He is. He mentioned that somewhere. If you had a choice, either you can have sex in heaven or cannot have sex which option would you chose? I know what option I would choose.
Jesus never had sex either. He didn't need to. He was completely fulifilled personally and did not intend to father any children.
 
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Being like angels is not exactly the same thing as being an angel. Actually, I don't think that what angels actually are as far as their being or appearance or all what they are capable of is not clearly known from scripture. Jesus is both a spirit and physical being and we will be like He is. He mentioned that somewhere. If you had a choice, either you can have sex in heaven or cannot have sex which option would you chose? I know what option I would choose.
I don't get to choose what's best for me in heaven. I'm not God. What I may or may not want is irrelevant.
 

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Jesus never had sex either. He didn't need to. He was completely fulifilled personally and did not intend to father any children.
Well, finally something we both agree on. I'm sorry if you don't understand my posts but my only intention is to provide some clarity of thought to you that may possibly benefit you. :)
 

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I don't get to choose what's best for me in heaven. I'm not God. What I may or may not want is irrelevant.
I don't know about that. I believe that it may be quite relevant. No, you probably don't get to choose what's best for you but certainly God knows what is best and will provide something meaningful and delightful that will agree with you, give you a sense of purpose and well-being, and bring comfort and joy to your heart.
 
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Well, finally something we both agree on. I'm sorry if you don't understand my posts but my only intention is to provide some clarity of thought to you that may possibly benefit you. :)
Thank you for your consideration.

I prefer not to live by feelings because they're unpredictable and unreliable and unstable. And all sin happens because of a certain feeling. It's one reason America has such bleak social conditions. Baby boomers often chose their feelings rather than facts. And as I said before. Facts don't care about your feelings.
 
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I don't know about that. I believe that it may be quite relevant. No, you probably don't get to choose what's best for you but certainly God knows what is best and will provide something meaningful and delightful that will agree with you, give you a sense of purpose and well-being, and bring comfort and joy to your heart.
By the way, God is not a genie who grants our every wish. We are called to serve, not be served. We are called to live by the spirit rather than the flesh. When you become a Christian, every want, need, and desire dies along with your sin nature. Or it's supposed to. Your life is not your own anymore. It's God's and everyone else's. That may sting a little. But sometimes, the truth hurts.

I became a Christian because I knew it was right, not that I felt it was right.
 

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Demi777 Did I see you type that the angel could have sex. If that's true. then I wonder if Lucifer could have sex. Then that would explain why Cain is not part of Adams lineage.
That would also explain why the angels had sex with women. it all makes sense now, cause there are no women angels if you can show me where I will retract my statement.
And also that would explain what the widespread wickedness was, There were only 8 Adamic souls that did not mingle with the angels, Hence the reason for the flood to stop the widespread wickedness.
its all starting to make sense
Sorry history princess, I know I said I wouldn't chime In anymore but I couldn't resist.
Please continue I am learning a lot.
 
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I don't know about that. I believe that it may be quite relevant. No, you probably don't get to choose what's best for you but certainly God knows what is best and will provide something meaningful and delightful that will agree with you, give you a sense of purpose and well-being, and bring comfort and joy to your heart.
Furthermore, God doesn't need to provide anything for me in heaven. He is enough. He is meant to be meaningful and delightful, give me a sense of purpose and well-being, and bring comfort and joy to my heart. He alone is enough.
 

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Demi777 Did I see you type that the angel could have sex. If that's true. then I wonder if Lucifer could have sex. Then that would explain why Cain is not part of Adams lineage.
That would also explain why the angels had sex with women. it all makes sense now, cause there are no women angels if you can show me where I will retract my statement.
And also that would explain what the widespread wickedness was, There were only 8 Adamic souls that did not mingle with the angels, Hence the reason for the flood to stop the widespread wickedness.
its all starting to make sense
Sorry history princess, I know I said I wouldn't chime In anymore but I couldn't resist.
Please continue I am learning a lot.
if you want ill pm you. I have no interest in talking more in this thread then I have to lol
 

Enocish

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that didn't come out right,
yes please show me how to pm