There are many things we agree on. We are Christian brothers.is there anything both parties can agree on like "Jesus is Lord"?
There are many things we agree on. We are Christian brothers.is there anything both parties can agree on like "Jesus is Lord"?
We will all pay a price,No, we will not pay a price. We have been saved (by your own definitioin) just like you. So if your definition of saved is the truth, we will be there to rejoice with you. So don't be worried about us.
Like I say, don't be worried about me. If your definition of being saved is true, then I was saved just like you were saved, and I will be there with you as we rejoice in our EL.The true believer was fallen. Was.
If you identify as Christian it is unfortunate that you yourself do not feel secure in the promise of the father at the sacrifice of his eternal son.
My deepest sympathies to your living such a doctrine as that.
excellent post, RoseHi all...For those who have been called by God Himself are saved through the blood of our LORD Jesus Christ Himself...We are called by God , it is God who owns our heart...My faith the size of a mustard seed has been watered by God Himself , my branches are growing , I am getting leaves , my branches are becoming sturdy , why ? because I trust in the LORD my God , because I am who I am because of Him , I am nothing without my LORD , I do not understand how people who claim they have Jesus and pick holes in what our LORD has done for us , it needs to stop , we are saved by Gods grace , and nothing nothing else...xox...
All of the scriptures speak to me, but on a fraction of the scriptures speak to you.No reprobates, unbelievers disbelievers, atheist, apostates, heretics, or heathens, including goats, are allowed in God's Kingdom. God's kingdom is reserved for those who "love", the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Over and over you search God's word so that you can prove your false notion that a "true born again believer", can lose their "eternal salvation", and over and over you are proven wrong. Rather you should let the scriptures speak to you and you will find the truth.
1John5:1
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves His child as well.
1Corinthians2:9
However, as it is written: "What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived" -- the things God has prepared "for those who love Him."
There are simply too many scriptures that tell us that the true believer can fall, if they do not take heed of their salvation.
Too many scriptures that prove OSAS is not a true doctrine.
Now we can all agree, that to ADD TO THE WORD OF GOD is WRONG.
Proverbs 30:6 (NCV)
6 Do not add to his words, or he will correct you and prove you are a liar.
You added a verse without Quoting that it was from JAMES, and I think you did deliberately to imply that it belonged with Titus 3:5.
Not only is it wrong to do that, but you have the WRONG INTERPRETATION of the Book of JAMES.
James is NOT SAYING that WORKS are a NECESSARY PART SALVATION, JAMES is clearly implying THAT IF YOU WERE SAVED FOR REAL, THE MOMENT SAVING FAITH ENTERED INTO YOUR HEART, GOD'S LOVE THAT WAS POURED INTO YOU HEART AT THAT MOMENT, Rom. 5:5, WILL PRODUCE A DESIRE TO LOVE GOD WITH LOVING OBEDIENCE. That happens, way after we WERE SAVED in the beginning of our Faith, and is the LIVING FAITH, compared to the DEAD FAITH, that produces NO LOVE FOR GOD.
You cannot use that verse AS PART OF SALVATION, as it Happens way AFTER WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE and MERCY because of WHAT JESUS DID ON THE CROSS. IT IS PART OF OUR LOVE, not Part of SALVATION.
If you can agree, then we are in agreement.
excellent post, Rose
AND THIS IS LVE THAT WE WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS (2john 1:6)No reprobates, unbelievers disbelievers, atheist, apostates, heretics, or heathens, including goats, are allowed in God's Kingdom. God's kingdom is reserved for those who "love", the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Over and over you search God's word so that you can prove your false notion that a "true born again believer", can lose their "eternal salvation", and over and over you are proven wrong. Rather you should let the scriptures speak to you and you will find the truth.
1John5:1
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves His child as well.
1Corinthians2:9
However, as it is written: "What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived" -- the things God has prepared "for those who love Him."
Seohce, briefly describe what you think OSAS is
explain them in premises if you can
All of the scriptures speak to me, but on a fraction of the scriptures speak to you.
You have rationalized many scriptures away, because you say they are speaking to unbelievers, or make believers and so they do not aply to you, who is a true believer.
This is your error. The scriptures are speaking to the true believers. Who do you think the apostles wrote their letters to, the non-believers? Yes, in part and they are easily recongized, but the larger part were written to the believers in the churches. So when they tell us to obey and keep the commandments, and be steadfast and unmoveable in the faith, and to endure to the end, they are speaking to believers, to keep them from falling, some of which have already left the faith and turned from Jesus.
That is your error. You think hundreds of scriptures do not aply to true believers.
people here know the difference between true apostates and "stage apostates", right?Apostates were never true believers, that is why they left the faith. And Christians will all endure to the end, its called the perseverance of the saints or the "eternal security of the believer."
One thing I am sure of and you are not is that your grace plus works counterfeit gospel will not add one millisecond to your time in heaven. "Saved by grace through faith and that not of yourself it is the gift of God." Eph2:8
You have too much pride to ever accept that you will never be good enough to enter heaven on your own merit, a pity.
Epheasians1:13,14
13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory."
Philippians1:6
6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
If I may presume. It may be best to explain in the event people do not know.people here know the difference between true apostates and "stage apostates", right?